I'm growing kind of tired with my max... especially since its automatic. But basically because its a big car and since I'm single and in college I want something a little smaller/sportier. One of my friends has a 99 integra LS 5-speed and its fun as hell to drive, but Slooooowwwww. I was thinking about buying a building a sleeper SI. 99 or 2000 in Electron blue and keeping the body stock with exception to rims (18" SSR GT1's) and a drop. I have a couple thousand now so I'd probably save up for a turbo kit and full exhaust. I want turbo so bad... but, in a car people won't expect it to be in. Its just a thought.. I always phase in and out of wanting a smaller car.. any opinions? Anyone driven/raced a turbo SI?

 

I think emax raced a turbo SI in his '95 Maxima, don't remember what the outcome was though.

 

If you going to get a turbo with a SI, why not get a GSR w/turbo instead? I think a turbo GSR is a better way to go. Plus, the GSR looks a heck better than the SI IMO.

 

I would.. but 2 of my good friends got Integra's... I wanna have something different

 

civic SI is a good choice for what you want, but if I was in your position then I would go with a civic hatch and put a GSR motor with a turbo on it. Oh, and it is impossible to call a civic SI a sleeper, everybody knows what they are and what they can do.

 

If you wanted to turbo an Si you'd also want to swap out the stock pistons for lower compression ones since the CR on that car is already pretty high. That will cost some additional money.

I've read that the best motors to turbo are the H23A DOHC non-VTEC and the Integra LS motor, both of which have lower compression ratios and w/o VTEC they're a little easier to tune I guess.

I agree with theblue too. The Si will never be a sleeper.

 

yeah i agree with theblue. built a hatch 96-00 you can pic one up for pretty cheap. and now you will have money to work on the thing. i say built the motor. my friend has a hatch that can smoke a turbo SI. trust me turbo is good and all but you also gotta worry about the problems that come with turbo. just some advice

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cg...773565&r=0&t=0


It's an EX, not an SI,, but has the turbo,, what kind of performance numbers do you think it could put out? i kind of like it, except for the tail lights.

-brett

 

Different huh? Forget the Hondas then. Mr2 turbo! Galant VR4 awd turbo. Turbo mag is doing a Galant project car right now. 400hp to the wheels is the goal. Looks like they will get there easy

 

what about a stock AWD/turbo talon/eclipse?

 

i was in the same position as you

some of you might remember my post

sold my 93 max for a 94 teg hybrid

well the only thing is that im doin all motor instead of turbo

my max was also auto and that thing was borin as poop

i would like a newer max but i still love to rev it up to 7 k + rpms

i love high revvin engines

but you cant beat the torque of the max, you wont find that in any honda

 

oh yeah

like someone said

ls is the best for turbo

low compression

since im runnin all motor that is why im doing civic type r pistons

12:1 ratio

 

one more thing...lol

the ls is one of the torquest honda engines besides b20 (crv block)

 

Well theres this crew of friends I roll around with most of the time.. it consistsof my max, a 5-speed altima, 2 integra's, and 3 talon TSI AWD turbo's. So I didn't wanna get an integra or a talon/eclipse. Anyone know much about the Jackson Racing SC for the SI? I got a stat sheet on it from my local shop. 277hp 175tq. Would a SC work better with a VTec engine than turbo?

 

Exactly
Get a 1gen AWD T/E/L, and with $2000-3000 invested you can be running 11's--street legal!
Oh,yeah, and you can't beat the sleeper look.

 

a si with a sc is a very good combo

seein how sc gives you power on tap

something the si lacks is torque and addin sc while boost the torque

i know one guy with si with just a sc alone he ran 14.1 so i would say thats pretty good

 

getting a civic instead of an integra, and you want to be different?

I'm guessing you've never been to california.....

and whast up with the JRSC's 277hp and 175tq? Thats the TOURQELESS hondas for you...come on. My friend has a VeryTourquelessExCivic...

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why dont you stay in the nissan family and get a 240SX? RWD, sweett chassis and with around 3k you can get a pretty good drift machine. for that much you can either get a turbo kit or drop in a sr20det from the japanese 240.

heck, theres some people in Souther California who are WELL INTO dropping an rb26det engine into the 240....A SKYLINE ENGINE. Can you imagine the "tuning" possibilities? You've heard of ~700 to the wheels, no?

 

99+ Si (B16A2) + turbo = BANG!
(trust me i know from experience)

the pistons are very weak.
i cracked two pistons in 2500 miles at only 8 psi.
my previous setup... 96 EX (D16y8) 1.6 SOHC VTEC lasted 44,000 miles and never blew up at 14 psi...yes, on stock internals...

if you turbo an Si you damn sure better do pistons/rods first...
GSR or LSVTEC turbo is the way to go...
and in a hatch (or CRX )

 

Your Civic will get...

 

That would be one nasty sleeper.

SuDZ

 

civics are a lot more fun to mod. or at least easier and cheaper

 

and thats why there is 150 "fixed up" civics to every 1 "modded" Maxima/I30. You do the math.


btw, why do you still have that Ford in your sig? did you get rid of your infinity or something?

 

I'm going to be the odd one out... no flames... I know you want something sportier... why not a TransAm or a Z28? There are people running in the high 12s with stock Z28s/TransAms. And you can get a supercharger for the Z28 that adds 145HP at the wheels. If I had some extra money to burn, I'd look into getting one myself. Sorry if it's not what your looking for, but it's an option.

On the other side of the spectrum, go with the civc. Can't beat the aftermarket support, but you won't be winning any originality. Or, another option would be a Ford focus or zx2. Gude.com has turbo kits for the ZX2 for 200 HP at the wheels. My roomate has a ZX2, and it's a nice car. There is also pretty decent aftermarket support for them.

 

 

thats what i was planning to do, but not exactly.. i want a beater car not a good lookin car.

i was gonna drop some cash into a 92-96 hatch and drive it into the ground, then drop a motor.. maybe h22 .. all motor, all stock, no attn or problems. fugly beater car that can be semi sleeper.

 

thats pretty impressive

14 psi on stock civic internals

im not sayin its bs but its impressive

 

get a 96 Nissan 300zx TT

 

you'd be surprised what a thicker headgasket (lower compression) and proper fuel and ignition tuning can do... 289hp @ the wheels on a 1.6L SOHC VTEC @ 14psi...

 

I looked heavily into civic si's when i first went car shopping before i bought my 96 5spd. Dont get me wrong they are nice cars with alot of potential to rule the streets, but i came to realize that all you are really paying for is a b16 engine and a different face guage from other civics....with a little bit of searching you can find a b16 engine for around 1300 bucks installed with really low miles..if you take that same engine and put it into a hatch it will walk the si everytime...why spend 13k plus for something that you can build on your own for around 7500. have you ever thought about going through a conversion and tossing the automagic for a 5spd?? its been done im just not sure about the pricing of something like this. With a little bit more cash you can drop a supercharger in the max...But if honda is the way you want to go i say go with the hatch prefferably with the b18c(gsr motor) and you will be able to walk most of your friends.

hope this helps
jon

 

Screw the torqueless rice-rockets...get a '97 Mustang Cobra, Mmmm the sound of a cobra...very unique..I love muscle cars.

Or, if you have 34k to spend, get yourself a nice 2002 SVT Lightning

 

yeah....nothing.

 

240SX have a turbo kit for them???? How much does it cost / power does it add?

 

yes, unlike maximas, 240's have turbos made for them where as we only have super chargers.

here is a dyno chart of an auto 240 with a stage1 turbo kit (pretty good gains, almost 100 horses/tq off the bat):
http://www.xs-engineering.com/240dyno-torque.html


you can then move on to higher stages with larger turbos, fuel controllers/injectors/etc, intercoolers, down pipes. the possibilities are endless.

its not uncommon in the 240 community to see 300 horses at the wheels, ofcourse with some minor engine work for safety. then again you can get an sr20det for more strength and higher boost levels which equal out to more power...but the ka24de's are known to be tourqy (sp?) engines, and thats all that counts really.

my next car is a 240 for sure...

 

yeah a mustang!!!!!!..theres a car nobody has either

i say get a 91 240sx..SR20DET swap for $4080 installed. Go to www.unstblehybrids.com to get an idea of what it would cost.

these are damn fast. stock SR20DETS run the same power as a max. but with complete exhaust and a few other goodies up to 200. Thats on stock boost. Bump the Boost up a little and you can easily be pushing 230 HP. Running low 13's. Ride in one and you will get the picture. there is a guy around here(Atlanta) who has one and it is bad ***.Actually a few in Atlanta. lets just say that it can beat a new corvette to get an idea of the capability. the reason is because the power to weight ratio.


for around $5000 grand..you can have an ultimate sleeper.

 

you mean http://www.unstable-hybrids.com/

yes, those things are mad fast, we SUPPOSEDLY have a million (not literally) of them here in cali, but I rarely see a 240sx on the street at all...

those things are really tuneable, the guys at unstable hybrids are putting in a skyline engine in a 240 (or a 180 I cant remember).

I cant wait till im more "money stable"


If (when) I were to get a 240, I would stick with the 95+'s those seem the best to me, I dont know why. THey might weigh more but they seem like they have more aftermarket support (mostly from japan).

 

Yes, I know. I don't like mustangs at all..now the SVT cobra is a TOTALLY differnt ballgame bro.

If you don't think the 2003 Cobra-R is totally bad@ss then you must like men

Ok ok, I know these beasts arent easy to insure and get crappy gas milage, so if you gotta keep it import, i'd get:

1)Supra TT
2)300zx TT
3)Supra
4)300zx

But honduh = torqueless wonders

 

I have a friend with a '95 Civic EX coupe. I've been trying to talk him into an engine swap, and he might finally go for it. I guess he's tired of me making almost twice as much torque with a nearly stock Max! I'm trying to get him to look into a B20b/z hybrid, or just a supercharged B20b/z. You can get a B20b long block for $800 or less. He'd have plenty of torque either way.