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Old Mar 2, 2002 | 01:38 PM
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I custom moded the 5th gen max AUTO tranny to extreme lengths (you want to read this)

All right I told a few that I would be posting this as soon as possible. So here you go this is the list of what was done to it, with some descriptions for those that might not know what it all is.


-Possitraction-
for those that don’t know the max is only a onewheel drive car and when you want to put power down that sucks. So this allows power to flow to that wheel and then when it’s had enough and can’t handle it, it splits power between both front wheels. Which means no spinning and a lot of traction.

-Upgraded the transaxle for extreme duty application. -
Which means durability upgrades, balancing of internal components, a NEW and better valve body modification, and CUSTOM transmission fluid.

-Custom axle-
-Custom transaxle housing-
-Heavy duty differential-
-Torrington bearing set-
-Teflon busing kit-
-Kolene direct steel.-
This is a treatment to the outside of the transmission caseing, which makes it much stronger and heat resistant, and it is used on 2000 hp drag cars. So heat will not be a problem.

-Ceramic Clutch disks-
these disks are very very strong and very heat resistant as well, and more where added.

-Kevlar bands
-Billet clutch drum (high drum)-
-Race sleeves-
-Tapered roller bearings-
-Grade A bolts-
-Ring and pinion Gear Set-
-Case harden the torque converter, input hub and fluid balance the converter

-Hardened the input shaft-
-New gear ratio-

-Pressure switch which means there is a switch mounted on the dash that allows me to select between the transmission engaging smooth for street use or extreme slam for track use. Or in between.

-There are also some other things and some more things to these things but due to patents not being done I am not allowed to discuss them.

-Impressions:
Well I did not pick it up but I guess you want to know what it drives like. I sent my friend/installer to pick it up. He drove it around for a while to see what he thought and then dropped it off at the performance shop for more boost and the INTERCOOLER along with other things, which is the main reason we beefed up the transmission so much.

But anyway here are some of his comments:

“This made more of a difference than the supercharger.”
“ O my god”
“ This things drops right down into gear”
“There is no lag what so ever”
“It feels like it just want to pull so much harder”
“There is no wheel spin at all”
“ You know b4 how there’d be a half second before it would kick down, not anymore right down”
“Worth every penny”
“This is sick”
“The rpms stay a lot lower”
“You can just feel all the power on tap”
“The pedal feels much more responsive”

And last and most impressive of his comments
“This is much better than a five speed manual”


Those are some of the things he had to say. Hope this shows you that auto’s don’t have to be bad. So any manny’s want to race?
Old Mar 2, 2002 | 02:01 PM
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that sounds like a lot of work. when are you going to drive it? i wanna know what ya think. i know a lot of auto owners would be intrested in some of the work you had done. is it like a synthtec(sp) tranny fluid?
Old Mar 2, 2002 | 02:03 PM
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Originally posted by nismo2020
that sounds like a lot of work. when are you going to drive it? i wanna know what ya think. i know a lot of auto owners would be intrested in some of the work you had done. is it like a synthtec(sp) tranny fluid?
It is alot of work and more than what most I'm sure want to do. But it is all worth it. I'll be driving it after all the new performance stuff is done. But for now you can trust my friends coments, he knows whats up.
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"This made more of a difference than a S/C"

If that is the case I want whatever you had done done to mine
Please get to the track as soon as you can, i'm dying of anticipation. And most importantly, (if you don't mind) how much did it all cost?
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Originally posted by mattattax
"This made more of a difference than a S/C"

If that is the case I want whatever you had done done to mine
Please get to the track as soon as you can, i'm dying of anticipation. And most importantly, (if you don't mind) how much did it all cost?
Makes sence that it would make a big diff, since there is no lag, more toruqe can be handled and all, much better traction.

When I do hit the track you relize of course i'll have much more power than what most do and the trany like this?

As for cost, I can't and wount' say.
Old Mar 2, 2002 | 02:22 PM
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Originally posted by max'n out
As for cost, I can't and wount' say.
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Originally posted by max'n out


As for cost, I can't and wount' say.
Why not? Some owners might actually consider something like this. At least give a ball park range.
Old Mar 2, 2002 | 02:29 PM
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Why not? Some owners might actually consider something like this. At least give a ball park range.
Why? Cuz I was asked not to. Lets just say I got a good discount. Having watched people on here I will say though they will probley not look at somthing this extreame. And certain parts go together. Needless to say it takes time too. Plus like I said some of what was done ( not listed) is of his own custom making so they'd have to go there. Not just anywhere. Though other shops may be able to do some of it.
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Originally posted by max'n out


Why? Cuz I was asked not to. Lets just say I got a good discount. Having watched people on here I will say though they will probley not look at somthing this extreame. And certain parts go together. Needless to say it takes time too. Plus like I said some of what was done ( not listed) is of his own custom making so they'd have to go there. Not just anywhere. Though other shops may be able to do some of it.
Over $3,000? Yes or No. No questions asked.
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Why tell us all of this if:
1. You aren't going to tell us how much
2. You won't tell us who you had it done through

Kind of like bragging and not telling us a secret. If you have information to tell then tell it all not just some of it. Would be like me saying I have a supercharger wiht a 3.XX pulley. Maybe I got a smaller one maybe I have the stock one. Who knows?

We know that we will probably not be able to get the discount that you got, but give us a ballpark figure of what we could be expecting and where we could get this done at.
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Originally posted by jgadlage
Why tell us all of this if:
1. You aren't going to tell us how much
2. You won't tell us who you had it done through

Kind of like bragging and not telling us a secret. If you have information to tell then tell it all not just some of it. Would be like me saying I have a supercharger wiht a 3.XX pulley. Maybe I got a smaller one maybe I have the stock one. Who knows?

We know that we will probably not be able to get the discount that you got, but give us a ballpark figure of what we could be expecting and where we could get this done at.
1st no one asked who it was done through. I'd be more than glad to tell you It was Rob at NRH in Columbia Maryland.

2nd I could have said nothing that would keep it a secret. Ive told you want I can.

Cost, I will tell you this, if you can't or wount get a s/c on a retail price you can't and wount' get this. Now what did I pay, less than what level ten would charge for just part of this, and it's far better.
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Originally posted by max'n out


1st no one asked who it was done through. I'd be more than glad to tell you It was Rob at NRH in Columbia Maryland.

2nd I could have said nothing that would keep it a secret. Ive told you want I can.

Cost, I will tell you this, if you can't or wount get a s/c on a retail price you can't and wount' get this. Now what did I pay, less than what level ten would charge for just part of this, and it's far better.
Take it to the track and dyno and lets see what the result is.

BTW, do you have any pics of the install? Or is that confidential?
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wow congratulations...you now have enough tranny to handle a 600hp VQ...of course there is no such thing and your lack of assistance to other members just makes you look silly
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Take it to the track and dyno and lets see what the result is.

BTW, do you have any pics of the install? Or is that confidential?
The dyno b4 and after new boost is going to be done. So there will be somthing shown there. No pics, though I'm not really sure what you want to.
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Originally posted by max'n out

The dyno b4 and after new boost is going to be done. So there will be somthing shown there. No pics, though I'm not really sure what you want to.
What boost are you running at?
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So are these guys thinking of making this kit into a package that others of us can buy or is this just a one off kit just for you?

I guess those of us with AT's really want to know what our options are. I know that I do. I could either have a custom rebuild from L10 (not going to be cheap at $3000), get a AT with VSLD from a canadian I30 (900-1600 not including shipping or internal upgrades if they are needed). I know that these are the paths that I am looking at and if there is something better out there then I would be willing to look at it. In any regards, thanks for telling us and let us know what your impressions of this is and what kind of performance gains you make.

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1st no one asked who it was done through. I'd be more than glad to tell you It was Rob at NRH in Columbia Maryland.

2nd I could have said nothing that would keep it a secret. Ive told you want I can.

Cost, I will tell you this, if you can't or wount get a s/c on a retail price you can't and wount' get this. Now what did I pay, less than what level ten would charge for just part of this, and it's far better.
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wow congratulations...you now have enough tranny to handle a 600hp VQ...of course there is no such thing and your lack of assistance to other members just makes you look silly
Acually trannys don't care much about hp, it's torque they care about. And holding capacity is about 100 over what is already there with the supercharger.

And my lack of assistance? If you want it done contact Rob and let him quote you a price. It's not my place to do pricing for him. Don't hate me cuz i did somthing different. Heaven for bid I repect the shops wishes since they helped me out so much.

Why do post have to turn into this? Why can't respect each other for the kewl ness of what's been done. Come on.
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What boost are you running at?
Currently 6 psi and it will be dyno'd with that. Then it's going with 10psi (3.25)custom intercooled (looking at about a month till thats done) and it will be dyno'd with both setups.
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Originally posted by jgadlage
So are these guys thinking of making this kit into a package that others of us can buy or is this just a one off kit just for you?

I guess those of us with AT's really want to know what our options are. I know that I do. I could either have a custom rebuild from L10 (not going to be cheap at $3000), get a AT with VSLD from a canadian I30 (900-1600 not including shipping or internal upgrades if they are needed). I know that these are the paths that I am looking at and if there is something better out there then I would be willing to look at it. In any regards, thanks for telling us and let us know what your impressions of this is and what kind of performance gains you make.

No this is not even capable of being made into a kit. It's massive custom work. It's just for me, though if you went there he(roB) could do a similer setup for others.

The point ive been trying to drop suttlely is that this is not cheap. And not an option from what Ive seen people say on here for 99 percent of people on here. And din't want to be a **** by saying somthing like that.
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The point ive been trying to drop suttlely is that this is not cheap. And not an option from what Ive seen people say on here for 99 percent of people on here. And din't want to be a **** by saying somthing like that.
But it's true. The chances of anyone else doing something like this is close to nil. The car sounds like it's going to be a mini beast.
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Columbia is kinda close to me. What does NRH stand for? I don't see any listing for them. Can you give me an address or phone number? I'm trying to find a good tranny rebuild/build up shop just incase my auto goes.
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Columbia is kinda close to me. What does NRH stand for? I don't see any listing for them. Can you give me an address or phone number? I'm trying to find a good tranny rebuild/build up shop just incase my auto goes.
Now that is the kind of q i have no problem answering.

NRH Transmission and Automotive is the name of the shop. Rob Hartman is the owner and the guy that will do it. I suggest talking to him in person about what it is exactly you want to achieve. Don't just jump and say I want what Jayson had. The number is 301 617 2500, when you call ask for Rob. Sorry the shop is acually listed as Jessup Maryland, heaven for bid 1 mile down the road not have a different name O yeah and here is the address, 8844-c washington blvd.
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Maybe instead of investing money in some super duper tranny that will only see 10 intercooled PSI(wow! not..), you should have invested in some keyboarding classes and an English class or two..
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Originally posted by Maximamike
Maybe instead of investing money in some super duper tranny that will only see 10 intercooled PSI(wow! not..), you should have invested in some keyboarding classes and an English class or two..
I will give you I type to fast somtimes for my own good. But damn dude what is your problem.

O and that 10 psi intercooled not being a big deal? Then what is 20? 40? 100? What does it take to impress you cuz thats all I am about. Just let me know sir.
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Thanks for the info Jayson. Yeah...Jessup is only one town over from columbia I actually been to Jeesup only once for dyno session at Extreme motorsports. I guess I'll see you at CCPJ/Carlisle in couple months.

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Now that is the kind of q i have no problem answering.

NRH Transmission and Automotive is the name of the shop. Rob Hartman is the owner and the guy that will do it. I suggest talking to him in person about what it is exactly you want to achieve. Don't just jump and say I want what Jayson had. The number is 301 617 2500, when you call ask for Rob. Sorry the shop is acually listed as Jessup Maryland, heaven for bid 1 mile down the road not have a different name O yeah and here is the address, 8844-c washington blvd.
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Originally posted by 1MAX2NV
Thanks for the info Jayson. Yeah...Jessup is only one town over from columbia I actually been to Jeesup only once for dyno session at Extreme motorsports. I guess I'll see you at CCPJ/Carlisle in couple months.

hahahaha that is so damn funny. Extreme is the ones that are doing the custom intercooler , exhaust pulley and all. And it's there now acually. I'll be in carlise but I woun't have the maxima with me it woun't be done yet.
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Thats pretty cold and uncalled for dude...

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Originally posted by Maximamike
Maybe instead of investing money in some super duper tranny that will only see 10 intercooled PSI(wow! not..), you should have invested in some keyboarding classes and an English class or two..
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Is the intercooler front mount? That would be pretty sweet.

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hahahaha that is so damn funny. Extreme is the ones that are doing the custom intercooler , exhaust pulley and all. And it's there now acually. I'll be in carlise but I woun't have the maxima with me it woun't be done yet.
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Is the intercooler front mount? That would be pretty sweet.

Yeah
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I cant wait to see what you run in the 1/4. Maybe this is somthing similar to what Don in Texas is doing...

Oh, and in before page 2000
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congrats on all the successful tranny work. guess level 10's the way to go for me..the valve body recal. NO CLUE though when ill actually get it
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Originally posted by Nick Robinson
I cant wait to see what you run in the 1/4. Maybe this is somthing similar to what Don in Texas is doing...

Oh, and in before page 2000
Me to. It'll be my first time

It's my guess don has somthing close to this.

I think the car should do (educated guess now) 12.5 to 12.9 somthing like that, depending mostly on me of course
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Its going to take more than a 3.25" pulley to get 10psi out of a frount mount intercooled SC'd Max, think 3.125" or custom 3". Talk to Steve from Chicago.
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Originally posted by MardiGrasMax
Its going to take more than a 3.25" pulley to get 10psi out of a frount mount intercooled SC'd Max, think 3.125" or custom 3". Talk to Steve from Chicago.
Yeah my point is really that i'll be runing the 10psi pulley, with the intercooler should prob get 9.5 lbs. Maybe I should just say 3.25
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Yeah my point is really that i'll be runing the 10psi pulley, with the intercooler should prob get 9.5 lbs. Maybe I should just say 3.25
I think Steve lost ~1psi, FMIC's are notorius for boost loss.

Think 3.125
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I think Steve lost ~1psi, FMIC's are notorius for boost loss.

Think 3.125
It comes down to pipe run length and bends, really. Imposible to tell till it's done. Just kinda gotta hope alot of boost isn't lost.
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hmmmmm...they are in MD...do they do the work themselves or do they send their stuff out?? and are their regular tranny services(ie- removal and replace) affordable??

Originally posted by max'n out
NRH Transmission and Automotive is the name of the shop. Rob Hartman is the owner and the guy that will do it. I suggest talking to him in person about what it is exactly you want to achieve. Don't just jump and say I want what Jayson had. The number is 301 617 2500, when you call ask for Rob. Sorry the shop is acually listed as Jessup Maryland, heaven for bid 1 mile down the road not have a different name O yeah and here is the address, 8844-c washington blvd.
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Thats pretty cold and uncalled for dude...

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I 2nd that.
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Originally posted by Nick Robinson
I cant wait to see what you run in the 1/4. Maybe this is somthing similar to what Don in Texas is doing...

Oh, and in before page 2000
Using a formula based on the weight of the car, Don is pushing 375+ HP to run a 12.2, I would say even with 10 psi boost, FMIC, it would be tough to hit that. Are you running any NOS. I could be wrong, but using the formula I have a 12 sec 1/4 requires about 400 HP for a 4th gen, more for a 5th....
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Originally posted by DA-MAX
hmmmmm...they are in MD...do they do the work themselves or do they send their stuff out?? and are their regular tranny services(ie- removal and replace) affordable??

Rob does all the work himself. They do all kinds of tranny work. I'm not sure what you mean by regular service, you mean jus swap fluid? I can tell you that he will do a great valve body mod for $250.



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