Every nice or performance car has a natural born enemy. The M3 has the audi S4 and the AMG benzs. Ferrari always had lambos, Camaros always had mustangs. So judging by recent posts, it looks like the TL Type-S or CL-S are our natural born killers.

First, from a speed point of view, i think the 02' max is faster judging by the specs.
However, i do think the Acura makes a better car, their styling is less controversal and looks better in my view. The interior is more up-market, the bose in their car sounds like a BOSE.....

I wish we can all just chill and get along, if acura makes a car that costs exactly like our maxs, it would feel exactly like a max. Type Ss costs slightly more, and from my experience, they ARE slightly better in all departments save for pure speed. But they arent slow either. I would gladly take a TL-type S if they were the same price as my 00'max and was avaliable at the time. So, am i saying that car is better than ours??...........OF COURSE!!

 

uhhhhh......no.

They are our natural prey

 

Well, I just finished telling my friends yesterday that if a new TL-S was within $3G of what I paid for my Max then there would have been no question: I would have gotten the TL-S. But admittedly, I am a Honda enthusiast, even though I have a 2K2 Max SE and a Y2k Quest SE.

 

I would say you are correct in saying the TL-S is our natural enemy, however I do not include the CL-S, it is a two door. If Acura puts the manual in the TL-S I would be interested in a look see.

 

I agree the max's look is controversal, but that's what I like about it. You usually think it's but ugly or completely bad@ss, it's kinda polar. The TL-S (not CL-S)is a nice looking car IMHO but it does NOT live up to its price. The max on the other hand lives up to and beyond its price IMHO.

 

Maybe it's just me, but I like my 2K rear end better than the CL. The CL doesn't have one, it looks like something is missing.

 

The CL-S/TL-S (260 HP) guys didn't like the fact that the 00-01 Max 5spds with only 222 HP were able to beat them. Now that the Max has 255 HP yes, they are our natural born "prey" hehehe

 

I think my AE, even with the funky tail lights, is way better looking than the CL or TL. Especially now that I've lowered, tinted, and put on nice wheels.

Tony

 

Damn I wish I had the AE bodykit, sooner or later I will get it.

 

Yes the TL/S is our enemy, prey, competitor but if you ask them they would day the I35 the Maxima isn't in the same class. We all know better and the 2002 Maxima and Altima blew the doors off their old "Class" system.

 

I feel the TL-S is a more refine looking vehicle but when you think TL-S you think high or even average performance car, you think of old folks entry level lux sedan IMO. I feel the Maxima is more of a cutting edge bada$$ - look at my tail light kind of car. I get into alot of situations where I have to defend myself on the HWY because the car that I drive have a notorious rep for being a Vicious Predator. I did look and test drove the TL-S before I got the Maxima, but it just did not do anything for the go fast NASCAR driver in me. So I don't believe the TL-S is a better car I feel it's the right car for the right person just like the Maxima is the right car for some of us.

 

When I look at the TL and just about every Acura I don't see anything destictive about the car. The car has no character it is like buying Cocoa flakes instead of Cocoa Pebbles or Cola istead of Pepsi cola. The TL is a great value just like the store brands but the value doesn't measure up ou the cars in it's class like the Lexxus, BMW, Audi.

 

Yes their nothing Destinctive about the TLS, they took alot of styling cues from the 4th gen Max with it. As for the interior I wouldnt say it is better quality, the Max especially in GLE form takes those honors.

 

It's just a matter of taste. The I35 is marketed at the TL (and vice versa) in this near luxury category: I35/TL/ES300/A4 3.0. Where the Max is in the Accord V6/Camry V6/Passat V6 category

As for the TL's styling cues, they come directly from the European model Honda Accord with which both share the same front end and dashboard.

 

after the things u memtioned, just look at mine...

http://www.clublexus.com/forums/att...=&postid=264091

http://www.clublexus.com/forums/att...=&postid=264092

 

What I've noticed about this board is that there are a lot of "haters" here. Good to see there are some people like johnsmax on this board that compliment other peoples cars instead of getting all defensive about their maxima. For me the TL-S was a bargain compared to the similarly equipped BMW 330 that I was looking at (42,000 MSRP!!!). Yea it's true, most TL owners are older folk, but it's pretty cool seeing peoples reactions when they see a young person rollin' up in a TL-S.

BTW, Maxima's are pretty high on my TL-S's food chain. Till we meet on the streets!

 

Since the TL-S only comes fully loaded and only with an automatic, I'd have to say the I35 is the direct competitor.

 

Hmmm... I really loved my 92 SE Automatic. It was slow off the line, but it sure hauled butt on the freeway. My buddy has the 5-speed that was in the top 10 top-speed test and my sister had the exact car you're talking about.

I wonder why my buddy with the 190HP '93 Max can't believe how much faster the CLS is (slushbox and all) and why sis can't get close to the car (and this was before it got light wheels, headers, CAI, and sticky Toyos).

I have no doubt that the 255HP is a pretty even match (stock vs. stock), but it reminds me of the time slips on the Acura forum with some H/E/I people hitting 14.2 in the quarter (in normal temps) and others having trouble hitting 14.5.

There is got to be more going on here.

Before passing judgment on the exact speed and capabilities of the cars -- one vs. the other. I would get a "buddy" to swap cars with you and try a few runs. Now, add-in the Auto vs. Auto, and I got to tell you that the 1st gear was a traumatic experience and I'll probably be in therapy for years getting over the nasty experiences ‘trying’ to pass cars and trucks at 30MPH (up in the hills). (Nissan – 5-speed auto PLEASE!)

I was Mr. Gung Ho Maxima Man and must have recommended and "sold" at least 10 of the cars to friends (a great car), but when I finally went shopping and found the prices to be "just too close", I finally left and "grabbed" the CLS.

Nissan is doing some cool stuff, and the competition is great. If they had of put in wishbone suspension and a 5-speed (think new G35), I would have been probably in line to buy one. But, that along with the taillights, made me take a walk.

I see tall tails everywhere, and despite the "god awful" loss in the CLS' slushbox, mine still romps over lightly modified 02s. When you add in the auto, I just leave the car in the dust...

The only competition I've found, to date, is the new 255HP version with 6-speed and there has been more variation (from driver, etc) to come to any conclusion.

I believe all of the forums suffer from looking at the worst case and best case, and not the middle runners...

 

Interesting Thread !

 

They never beat me.

 

Maxima Enthusiast
Yet your Name is Acura2001CL-S ? Even more interesting. That your
Subconscious Talking or are you just being Wishful ?

I find that even more interesting. Some things are NOT always about Speed. Maxima's are Nice cars. I looked at them before I bought my CL-S. If I had the same decision: I'd Pick Acura every Time. My Additional Mods have added Just the Right amount to the Car. So Now I'm even with you in a Race but who cares if I loose by a Nose. I don't race that much ANYWHO ! It's all about Arriving in a certain manner of Style. Our Style just happens to be a little different than yours: and in my Opinion just a little C l a s s i e r !

 

oh **** didn't notice you joined the dark side

 

Honda Accords are classy?

 

Whatever Dude !

 

J/K I Like your CL/S

 

Please keep this civil and not get into personal attacks.

 

Let's just leave it at: They are BOTH Great Cars

 

Your right they are great cars I just think these treads are petty but interesting

 

i agree. the max's competitor shouldn't be the TL-S. that's what the I35's for. also, nissan will up the ante with the maxima to compete with the avalon and have little brother altima to beat up the accords, camrys, ......

i read everywhere that the TL-S runs 14.8 and the I35 at 15.3 (C/D). that's. looks like acura killed us...for now.

 

Soon these debates will be a thing of the pass. The I35/Maxima and TL are getting redesigns 2004 and I don't think they will be marketed so closely as they re now and we can dicuss more important stuff than the same old TL/S Maxima stuff.

 

What? Can I have some of what you are smokimg Mr. Magazine Racer?

 

31,810 for the Acura and $30,800 for a fully loaded SE Manual.

Of course I paid < 25k with no leather in my SE. That's a big difference!

 

why of course! and just for you, it's on the house. www.caranddriver.com. they prolly used the auto maxima, though.

 

Funny thread. Haters? Not as bad as you guys or other boards MINUS the infamous Russ.

Too bad your "GoldyType-S" a CL-S with AEM CAI and Comptech header couldn't even break into the 14's. I was rooting for him.

Funny thing is as BAD as I drove my first time at the track that hot 85+ degree night, my 222fwhp 4-door cow got a 15.5 STOCK vs. his 260fwhp+CAI+Header only got 15.0x.

Now that I've learned where exactly redline(shifted 300-400rpms too early, dooh!) is and how to launch without spinning the tires, I will definitely be low 15's STOCK.

BTW, I would have take a TL-S in a MANUAL over my or a 2K2 Max any day.

 

I love the way Acura guys want to throw away the " HONDA GUY " rep. Who makes that overpriced thing ?? I paid under 30 for a loaded 2002 Se , Navi. included ! I looked at the Cl. My boss has one. He drove my car and liked the way it ran a lot better....I will shovel dirt on your " classy " ride next time I see one. But then again, save those $4,000 in price difference and get a BLOWER ! So then I wwould be at your MSRP, and say BYE BYE to you at about 5 car lengths ahead !

 

Damn you guys never give up on this topic, seems like there is a new maxima vs type-s thread everyday. Both are great cars, for me it was a toss up of which one to get. I picked tha acura cuz of the name, im a snob ya know. J/K

We all should just be happy we arent driving a ford or chevy or somthing like that!

oh and for my vote in this thread.. i think the I35 is closer level to the TLS. Some of you guys forget that there is more in a car than speed.

 

I test drove a 2002 3.2 CL-Type S before I test drove the Max SE along with a few other cars.

All things equal I liked the body styling of the Acura slightly more but I thought everywhere else the cars were pretty equal. Either one would have been great to own (this coming from a self proclaimed, I WILL NEVER BUY a foreign car guy). The Max felt bigger and roomier inside. I also loved the heated steering wheel and HID lights.

After test driving the RSX-Type S and the 3.2 CL-Type S I started working with the dealer to get a out the door price on the car. While they worked with me on the RSX I could not get the to budge off sticker on the CL-Type S. The car I test drove sticked at 31,9XX.

A few hours later on a whim I checked out Nissan and test drove the Altima 3.5 and the Max SE. After driving the Maxima SE 6 speed I checked out the numbers and I got such a better deal on the Max SE that the Acura was competely out of the picture.

I paid 273XX for the Max SE which stickers at 30,401 and got 3.9 financing. The best the Acrua guy would do is throw in 300.00 dollars of free accessories along with the 6.5% financing.

Needless to say I bought the SE and am really happy with my purchase. The CL-Type S was a nice car but I REFUSE to pay sticker on any vehicle and I thought they were equally nice.

Gary
2K2 Super Black SE 6 speed
98 WS6 TA

 

I paid 27.8k for my loaded Acura CL-S with out nav.

I paid 26,8k for my 2001 5spd Maxima, loaded without cold weather package though.

 

Those people do not know how to drive there car then. Because another person added to the list got 14.6 with only a AEM CAI. Pretty impressive to me for a basically stock CL-S. Trap speed was 95-96mph.


So why the comment again on me?

 

cuz you are a traitor