Interesting Theory On VQ Horsepower
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Interesting Theory On VQ Horsepower
From Altimas.net :
It seems that there is considerable talk about Nissan wanting to recall it's Maxima's and Altimas with the VQ engines and install Stoppers under the Gas Pedal in order to limit the horspower of the cars and make them safer.
Hmmm, if this is true about this stopper, then the opposite could also be true............
Let's assume for arguments sake that the stopper is meant to be used to slow down our little 4 wheeled rockets. (Perhaps the engineers at Nissan have realized that they may have overspec'd the Altima. It would be pretty embarasing for them if we could out pace the new 350Z. It will be interesting to see if they delay the arrival of the 350Z until they cleaverly get all the Altima and Maxima owners in the shop to add the stopper. (A devilishly diabolical plan if I do say so Myself))
So this is my thought. If I could shave down the floor board say another 10% deeper, hen theoretically I could produce an extra 24 HP Bringing the Altima up to 264HP. An iteresting theory based on the stopper principal, But can it be proven????
Well being the take charge kind of guy that I am I called my bud with a 2002 Maxima to come over to help me out with this experiment. Well guess what??!!! When I got out my steel thickness guages and we measured the thickness of the Altima and the Maxima floor boards the Maxima's floor board was 5% thinner...... EUREKA!! the answer to the lost 10 horspower between the 2 cars
An almost bullit proof theory, but I had to test it once again. So I went to the Infinity dealer that I knew and asked him if my bud and I could take out the G35 with out a salesman. He said it was O.K. So we brought the G35 home stipped off the carpeting and measured the floor board. Well the floor boards were 11% thinner than the Altima. With the G35 touting 265HP My theory was now bullit proof.........
BUT WAIT!!!!!
With the 350 Z rumoured to be coming out with 290 HP, according to my calculations the floor boards would have to be paper thin!!!!!!!!!! Any sudden slamming of the brakes would put your foot right through the floor........ My Theory had a HOLE!!!
Luckly while doing my original research on my Nissan purchase I befriended a Nissan project and design engineer in Japan. We corresponded at great lengths over the internet about the nissan design philosophy. In order to thank him for his help I sent him over a few pairs of Levi's jeans. He told me that he owed me one.........
It was time for me to pull in my Marker!!!
I confronted him with my floorboard theory.... He was shocked and wanted to know how I found out about it.... He confirmed My Theory and told me that it was in fact what was happening with the cars in order to show more Horse power output from the same engine and maintain a hierarchy of vehicles in the Nissan LINE UP.
So of course my next question was, How were they going to produce the 290 HP 350Z with paper thin floor boards?????
Easy he said, they have come up with a special reinforced paper thin floor board made out of TITANIUM..........
According to my friend the Engineer from Japan, this is not new technology, infact, they stole it many years ago from the North American Automakers. (They accidentally uncovered it while studying early episodes of the Flintstones, and realized that fred's car had no floor boards. It was quite a novel Idea at the time.) In fact The first Japanese cars that came to North Amarica in the late 60's used the thin floorboard technology. This is why they could produce so much horse power out of thier four cylinders at the time. The technology was put on the shelf in the late 70's because as you know the Japanese cars were notorlious for rusting out and many 5 year old Japanese cars could not pass safety inspections because of holes in the floor boards. It actually created a very dangerous situation because exhaust fumes could actually enter into the cabin of the car. It seems that the steel being produced in those days was poor and had very little structural integrity.
But now with the advent of new stainless steels and titanium metals, it's a hole new ballgame in the Steel industry!! (Witness the great advances in golf clubs. The new TITANIUM club faces are much thinner, but considerably stronger than the old steel club faces.)
So Nissan, 4 years ago took the thin floorboard technology off of the shelf and designed it into the new VQ powered cars.
As soon as the other manufactures catch on, I am sure you will start to see a change in the design of their cars. Roof lines will get higher and driver seats will be higher from the floor in order to be able to get more distance between the gas pedal and the floor. Just put an Altima next to a Pontiac Grand Prix and notice how the roof of the Altima bubbles much higher and the seat position are much higher in the car.
Who knows perhaps in the future, the power of your car will be determened by the length of your legs????
When that time comes, we will see the migration of Basketball players becoming Racing car drivers.
Races will be won by the team that has a car still left running in the race that hasn't toppled over due to the high centre of gravity that will be required for the future 780HP family sedans.
My theory is now fact!!! Well this afternoon I am going to be cutting out my floor boards and installing the TITANIUM ones sent to me By my engineer friend. I will have the first 290HP Altima....
I will post pictures as soon as I am done.
Regards,
TEAMCANADA.
It seems that there is considerable talk about Nissan wanting to recall it's Maxima's and Altimas with the VQ engines and install Stoppers under the Gas Pedal in order to limit the horspower of the cars and make them safer.
Hmmm, if this is true about this stopper, then the opposite could also be true............
Let's assume for arguments sake that the stopper is meant to be used to slow down our little 4 wheeled rockets. (Perhaps the engineers at Nissan have realized that they may have overspec'd the Altima. It would be pretty embarasing for them if we could out pace the new 350Z. It will be interesting to see if they delay the arrival of the 350Z until they cleaverly get all the Altima and Maxima owners in the shop to add the stopper. (A devilishly diabolical plan if I do say so Myself))
So this is my thought. If I could shave down the floor board say another 10% deeper, hen theoretically I could produce an extra 24 HP Bringing the Altima up to 264HP. An iteresting theory based on the stopper principal, But can it be proven????
Well being the take charge kind of guy that I am I called my bud with a 2002 Maxima to come over to help me out with this experiment. Well guess what??!!! When I got out my steel thickness guages and we measured the thickness of the Altima and the Maxima floor boards the Maxima's floor board was 5% thinner...... EUREKA!! the answer to the lost 10 horspower between the 2 cars
An almost bullit proof theory, but I had to test it once again. So I went to the Infinity dealer that I knew and asked him if my bud and I could take out the G35 with out a salesman. He said it was O.K. So we brought the G35 home stipped off the carpeting and measured the floor board. Well the floor boards were 11% thinner than the Altima. With the G35 touting 265HP My theory was now bullit proof.........
BUT WAIT!!!!!
With the 350 Z rumoured to be coming out with 290 HP, according to my calculations the floor boards would have to be paper thin!!!!!!!!!! Any sudden slamming of the brakes would put your foot right through the floor........ My Theory had a HOLE!!!
Luckly while doing my original research on my Nissan purchase I befriended a Nissan project and design engineer in Japan. We corresponded at great lengths over the internet about the nissan design philosophy. In order to thank him for his help I sent him over a few pairs of Levi's jeans. He told me that he owed me one.........
It was time for me to pull in my Marker!!!
I confronted him with my floorboard theory.... He was shocked and wanted to know how I found out about it.... He confirmed My Theory and told me that it was in fact what was happening with the cars in order to show more Horse power output from the same engine and maintain a hierarchy of vehicles in the Nissan LINE UP.
So of course my next question was, How were they going to produce the 290 HP 350Z with paper thin floor boards?????
Easy he said, they have come up with a special reinforced paper thin floor board made out of TITANIUM..........
According to my friend the Engineer from Japan, this is not new technology, infact, they stole it many years ago from the North American Automakers. (They accidentally uncovered it while studying early episodes of the Flintstones, and realized that fred's car had no floor boards. It was quite a novel Idea at the time.) In fact The first Japanese cars that came to North Amarica in the late 60's used the thin floorboard technology. This is why they could produce so much horse power out of thier four cylinders at the time. The technology was put on the shelf in the late 70's because as you know the Japanese cars were notorlious for rusting out and many 5 year old Japanese cars could not pass safety inspections because of holes in the floor boards. It actually created a very dangerous situation because exhaust fumes could actually enter into the cabin of the car. It seems that the steel being produced in those days was poor and had very little structural integrity.
But now with the advent of new stainless steels and titanium metals, it's a hole new ballgame in the Steel industry!! (Witness the great advances in golf clubs. The new TITANIUM club faces are much thinner, but considerably stronger than the old steel club faces.)
So Nissan, 4 years ago took the thin floorboard technology off of the shelf and designed it into the new VQ powered cars.
As soon as the other manufactures catch on, I am sure you will start to see a change in the design of their cars. Roof lines will get higher and driver seats will be higher from the floor in order to be able to get more distance between the gas pedal and the floor. Just put an Altima next to a Pontiac Grand Prix and notice how the roof of the Altima bubbles much higher and the seat position are much higher in the car.
Who knows perhaps in the future, the power of your car will be determened by the length of your legs????
When that time comes, we will see the migration of Basketball players becoming Racing car drivers.
Races will be won by the team that has a car still left running in the race that hasn't toppled over due to the high centre of gravity that will be required for the future 780HP family sedans.
My theory is now fact!!! Well this afternoon I am going to be cutting out my floor boards and installing the TITANIUM ones sent to me By my engineer friend. I will have the first 290HP Altima....
I will post pictures as soon as I am done.
Regards,
TEAMCANADA.
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Re: Interesting Theory On VQ Horsepower
Originally posted by SptBiz
From Altimas.net :
It seems that there is considerable talk about Nissan wanting to recall it's Maxima's and Altimas with the VQ engines and install Stoppers under the Gas Pedal in order to limit the horspower of the cars and make them safer.
Hmmm, if this is true about this stopper, then the opposite could also be true............
Let's assume for arguments sake that the stopper is meant to be used to slow down our little 4 wheeled rockets. (Perhaps the engineers at Nissan have realized that they may have overspec'd the Altima. It would be pretty embarasing for them if we could out pace the new 350Z. It will be interesting to see if they delay the arrival of the 350Z until they cleaverly get all the Altima and Maxima owners in the shop to add the stopper. (A devilishly diabolical plan if I do say so Myself))
So this is my thought. If I could shave down the floor board say another 10% deeper, hen theoretically I could produce an extra 24 HP Bringing the Altima up to 264HP. An iteresting theory based on the stopper principal, But can it be proven????
Well being the take charge kind of guy that I am I called my bud with a 2002 Maxima to come over to help me out with this experiment. Well guess what??!!! When I got out my steel thickness guages and we measured the thickness of the Altima and the Maxima floor boards the Maxima's floor board was 5% thinner...... EUREKA!! the answer to the lost 10 horspower between the 2 cars
An almost bullit proof theory, but I had to test it once again. So I went to the Infinity dealer that I knew and asked him if my bud and I could take out the G35 with out a salesman. He said it was O.K. So we brought the G35 home stipped off the carpeting and measured the floor board. Well the floor boards were 11% thinner than the Altima. With the G35 touting 265HP My theory was now bullit proof.........
BUT WAIT!!!!!
With the 350 Z rumoured to be coming out with 290 HP, according to my calculations the floor boards would have to be paper thin!!!!!!!!!! Any sudden slamming of the brakes would put your foot right through the floor........ My Theory had a HOLE!!!
Luckly while doing my original research on my Nissan purchase I befriended a Nissan project and design engineer in Japan. We corresponded at great lengths over the internet about the nissan design philosophy. In order to thank him for his help I sent him over a few pairs of Levi's jeans. He told me that he owed me one.........
It was time for me to pull in my Marker!!!
I confronted him with my floorboard theory.... He was shocked and wanted to know how I found out about it.... He confirmed My Theory and told me that it was in fact what was happening with the cars in order to show more Horse power output from the same engine and maintain a hierarchy of vehicles in the Nissan LINE UP.
So of course my next question was, How were they going to produce the 290 HP 350Z with paper thin floor boards?????
Easy he said, they have come up with a special reinforced paper thin floor board made out of TITANIUM..........
According to my friend the Engineer from Japan, this is not new technology, infact, they stole it many years ago from the North American Automakers. (They accidentally uncovered it while studying early episodes of the Flintstones, and realized that fred's car had no floor boards. It was quite a novel Idea at the time.) In fact The first Japanese cars that came to North Amarica in the late 60's used the thin floorboard technology. This is why they could produce so much horse power out of thier four cylinders at the time. The technology was put on the shelf in the late 70's because as you know the Japanese cars were notorlious for rusting out and many 5 year old Japanese cars could not pass safety inspections because of holes in the floor boards. It actually created a very dangerous situation because exhaust fumes could actually enter into the cabin of the car. It seems that the steel being produced in those days was poor and had very little structural integrity.
But now with the advent of new stainless steels and titanium metals, it's a hole new ballgame in the Steel industry!! (Witness the great advances in golf clubs. The new TITANIUM club faces are much thinner, but considerably stronger than the old steel club faces.)
So Nissan, 4 years ago took the thin floorboard technology off of the shelf and designed it into the new VQ powered cars.
As soon as the other manufactures catch on, I am sure you will start to see a change in the design of their cars. Roof lines will get higher and driver seats will be higher from the floor in order to be able to get more distance between the gas pedal and the floor. Just put an Altima next to a Pontiac Grand Prix and notice how the roof of the Altima bubbles much higher and the seat position are much higher in the car.
Who knows perhaps in the future, the power of your car will be determened by the length of your legs????
When that time comes, we will see the migration of Basketball players becoming Racing car drivers.
Races will be won by the team that has a car still left running in the race that hasn't toppled over due to the high centre of gravity that will be required for the future 780HP family sedans.
My theory is now fact!!! Well this afternoon I am going to be cutting out my floor boards and installing the TITANIUM ones sent to me By my engineer friend. I will have the first 290HP Altima....
I will post pictures as soon as I am done.
Regards,
TEAMCANADA.
From Altimas.net :
It seems that there is considerable talk about Nissan wanting to recall it's Maxima's and Altimas with the VQ engines and install Stoppers under the Gas Pedal in order to limit the horspower of the cars and make them safer.
Hmmm, if this is true about this stopper, then the opposite could also be true............
Let's assume for arguments sake that the stopper is meant to be used to slow down our little 4 wheeled rockets. (Perhaps the engineers at Nissan have realized that they may have overspec'd the Altima. It would be pretty embarasing for them if we could out pace the new 350Z. It will be interesting to see if they delay the arrival of the 350Z until they cleaverly get all the Altima and Maxima owners in the shop to add the stopper. (A devilishly diabolical plan if I do say so Myself))
So this is my thought. If I could shave down the floor board say another 10% deeper, hen theoretically I could produce an extra 24 HP Bringing the Altima up to 264HP. An iteresting theory based on the stopper principal, But can it be proven????
Well being the take charge kind of guy that I am I called my bud with a 2002 Maxima to come over to help me out with this experiment. Well guess what??!!! When I got out my steel thickness guages and we measured the thickness of the Altima and the Maxima floor boards the Maxima's floor board was 5% thinner...... EUREKA!! the answer to the lost 10 horspower between the 2 cars
An almost bullit proof theory, but I had to test it once again. So I went to the Infinity dealer that I knew and asked him if my bud and I could take out the G35 with out a salesman. He said it was O.K. So we brought the G35 home stipped off the carpeting and measured the floor board. Well the floor boards were 11% thinner than the Altima. With the G35 touting 265HP My theory was now bullit proof.........
BUT WAIT!!!!!
With the 350 Z rumoured to be coming out with 290 HP, according to my calculations the floor boards would have to be paper thin!!!!!!!!!! Any sudden slamming of the brakes would put your foot right through the floor........ My Theory had a HOLE!!!
Luckly while doing my original research on my Nissan purchase I befriended a Nissan project and design engineer in Japan. We corresponded at great lengths over the internet about the nissan design philosophy. In order to thank him for his help I sent him over a few pairs of Levi's jeans. He told me that he owed me one.........
It was time for me to pull in my Marker!!!
I confronted him with my floorboard theory.... He was shocked and wanted to know how I found out about it.... He confirmed My Theory and told me that it was in fact what was happening with the cars in order to show more Horse power output from the same engine and maintain a hierarchy of vehicles in the Nissan LINE UP.
So of course my next question was, How were they going to produce the 290 HP 350Z with paper thin floor boards?????
Easy he said, they have come up with a special reinforced paper thin floor board made out of TITANIUM..........
According to my friend the Engineer from Japan, this is not new technology, infact, they stole it many years ago from the North American Automakers. (They accidentally uncovered it while studying early episodes of the Flintstones, and realized that fred's car had no floor boards. It was quite a novel Idea at the time.) In fact The first Japanese cars that came to North Amarica in the late 60's used the thin floorboard technology. This is why they could produce so much horse power out of thier four cylinders at the time. The technology was put on the shelf in the late 70's because as you know the Japanese cars were notorlious for rusting out and many 5 year old Japanese cars could not pass safety inspections because of holes in the floor boards. It actually created a very dangerous situation because exhaust fumes could actually enter into the cabin of the car. It seems that the steel being produced in those days was poor and had very little structural integrity.
But now with the advent of new stainless steels and titanium metals, it's a hole new ballgame in the Steel industry!! (Witness the great advances in golf clubs. The new TITANIUM club faces are much thinner, but considerably stronger than the old steel club faces.)
So Nissan, 4 years ago took the thin floorboard technology off of the shelf and designed it into the new VQ powered cars.
As soon as the other manufactures catch on, I am sure you will start to see a change in the design of their cars. Roof lines will get higher and driver seats will be higher from the floor in order to be able to get more distance between the gas pedal and the floor. Just put an Altima next to a Pontiac Grand Prix and notice how the roof of the Altima bubbles much higher and the seat position are much higher in the car.
Who knows perhaps in the future, the power of your car will be determened by the length of your legs????
When that time comes, we will see the migration of Basketball players becoming Racing car drivers.
Races will be won by the team that has a car still left running in the race that hasn't toppled over due to the high centre of gravity that will be required for the future 780HP family sedans.
My theory is now fact!!! Well this afternoon I am going to be cutting out my floor boards and installing the TITANIUM ones sent to me By my engineer friend. I will have the first 290HP Altima....
I will post pictures as soon as I am done.
Regards,
TEAMCANADA.
That was one of the funnier stories I've heard in quite some time. Many thanks to the author.
maxgsxr1: I just had the throttle stop changed in my 2k2 as per the recall. The car was at the dealer last Monday for about 1/2 hour so they could do it. Yesterday (Saturday) my SES light came on and the car has been in 'limp home' mode ever since. You state that "the reason for the recall is the voltage of the throttle position sensor is going beyond about 4.00 volts and when it goes to roughly 4.79 a code is trigered in the ecu causeing the engine to run in safe mode(rpm will only reach 1500 and thats it)ask a nissan, infiniti tech and you'll get the real reason......" however, my car gets to 2300 rpm and then stumbles. It won't go beyond that point. It's extremely frustrating to drive this way, but I would imagine that an auto would force me to abandon the car. At least I have the 6spd, so I can shift without any problem before the bogging occurs. Maybe the autos change the shift mapping when in 'limp home' mode. I hope so. I've driven my car about 100 kms since the light came on with about 15 start/stops of the engine, hoping to reset the code to no avail. I've checked the fuel cap and it's fine. Unfortunately I'm working out of town tomorrow and need to arrange another method of transportation so I decided to drop the car off at the dealer today.
We'll see what comes of this tomorrow.
Albert
maxgsxr1: I just had the throttle stop changed in my 2k2 as per the recall. The car was at the dealer last Monday for about 1/2 hour so they could do it. Yesterday (Saturday) my SES light came on and the car has been in 'limp home' mode ever since. You state that "the reason for the recall is the voltage of the throttle position sensor is going beyond about 4.00 volts and when it goes to roughly 4.79 a code is trigered in the ecu causeing the engine to run in safe mode(rpm will only reach 1500 and thats it)ask a nissan, infiniti tech and you'll get the real reason......" however, my car gets to 2300 rpm and then stumbles. It won't go beyond that point. It's extremely frustrating to drive this way, but I would imagine that an auto would force me to abandon the car. At least I have the 6spd, so I can shift without any problem before the bogging occurs. Maybe the autos change the shift mapping when in 'limp home' mode. I hope so. I've driven my car about 100 kms since the light came on with about 15 start/stops of the engine, hoping to reset the code to no avail. I've checked the fuel cap and it's fine. Unfortunately I'm working out of town tomorrow and need to arrange another method of transportation so I decided to drop the car off at the dealer today.
We'll see what comes of this tomorrow.
Albert
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Originally posted by akrus
That was one of the funnier stories I've heard in quite some time. Many thanks to the author.
maxgsxr1: I just had the throttle stop changed in my 2k2 as per the recall. The car was at the dealer last Monday for about 1/2 hour so they could do it. Yesterday (Saturday) my SES light came on and the car has been in 'limp home' mode ever since. You state that "the reason for the recall is the voltage of the throttle position sensor is going beyond about 4.00 volts and when it goes to roughly 4.79 a code is trigered in the ecu causeing the engine to run in safe mode(rpm will only reach 1500 and thats it)ask a nissan, infiniti tech and you'll get the real reason......" however, my car gets to 2300 rpm and then stumbles. It won't go beyond that point. It's extremely frustrating to drive this way, but I would imagine that an auto would force me to abandon the car. At least I have the 6spd, so I can shift without any problem before the bogging occurs. Maybe the autos change the shift mapping when in 'limp home' mode. I hope so. I've driven my car about 100 kms since the light came on with about 15 start/stops of the engine, hoping to reset the code to no avail. I've checked the fuel cap and it's fine. Unfortunately I'm working out of town tomorrow and need to arrange another method of transportation so I decided to drop the car off at the dealer today.
We'll see what comes of this tomorrow.about 1500 rpm limp mode is more so for the auto, there are two different size stops and maybe they installed the wrong one by mistake.one stop is shorter than the other. (slight variences between gas pedals and floor)
Albert
That was one of the funnier stories I've heard in quite some time. Many thanks to the author.
maxgsxr1: I just had the throttle stop changed in my 2k2 as per the recall. The car was at the dealer last Monday for about 1/2 hour so they could do it. Yesterday (Saturday) my SES light came on and the car has been in 'limp home' mode ever since. You state that "the reason for the recall is the voltage of the throttle position sensor is going beyond about 4.00 volts and when it goes to roughly 4.79 a code is trigered in the ecu causeing the engine to run in safe mode(rpm will only reach 1500 and thats it)ask a nissan, infiniti tech and you'll get the real reason......" however, my car gets to 2300 rpm and then stumbles. It won't go beyond that point. It's extremely frustrating to drive this way, but I would imagine that an auto would force me to abandon the car. At least I have the 6spd, so I can shift without any problem before the bogging occurs. Maybe the autos change the shift mapping when in 'limp home' mode. I hope so. I've driven my car about 100 kms since the light came on with about 15 start/stops of the engine, hoping to reset the code to no avail. I've checked the fuel cap and it's fine. Unfortunately I'm working out of town tomorrow and need to arrange another method of transportation so I decided to drop the car off at the dealer today.
We'll see what comes of this tomorrow.about 1500 rpm limp mode is more so for the auto, there are two different size stops and maybe they installed the wrong one by mistake.one stop is shorter than the other. (slight variences between gas pedals and floor)
Albert
Think of the possibilities if this was for real!!!
I'd cut the whole floor out and make an extender for the pedal inorder to get a 180 degree turn on the pedals! Instant 300hp... to the wheels!
I'd cut the whole floor out and make an extender for the pedal inorder to get a 180 degree turn on the pedals! Instant 300hp... to the wheels!
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Originally posted by 2001SE
SptBiz - how exactly can you install the titanium floors on an Altima, aren't they only made for the 350Z, also is it even possibile?
SptBiz - how exactly can you install the titanium floors on an Altima, aren't they only made for the 350Z, also is it even possibile?
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Re: Interesting Theory On VQ Horsepower
Originally posted by SptBiz
From Altimas.net :
It seems that there is considerable talk about Nissan wanting to recall it's Maxima's and Altimas with the VQ engines and install Stoppers under the Gas Pedal in order to limit the horspower of the cars and make them safer.
Hmmm, if this is true about this stopper, then the opposite could also be true............
From Altimas.net :
It seems that there is considerable talk about Nissan wanting to recall it's Maxima's and Altimas with the VQ engines and install Stoppers under the Gas Pedal in order to limit the horspower of the cars and make them safer.
Hmmm, if this is true about this stopper, then the opposite could also be true............
Is it April 1st all ready?
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That guy is not serious, is he?
The new VQs are drive by wire.
It's just a matter of a programming to change the throttle proportions, like on the M5s and stuff.
Even if it wasn't drive by wire, all they had to do was mess with the wire linkage.
I hope that guy is not serious. He sounds like he's gonna put a hole on his floorboard.
It's just a matter of a programming to change the throttle proportions, like on the M5s and stuff.
Even if it wasn't drive by wire, all they had to do was mess with the wire linkage.
I hope that guy is not serious. He sounds like he's gonna put a hole on his floorboard.
Re: Interesting Theory On VQ Horsepower
I just cut my boards right out.
Jer
2000 Nissan Maxima SE AutoMAGIC
892hp / 7.31sec@159mph
NOS kit coming in next week
Jer
2000 Nissan Maxima SE AutoMAGIC
892hp / 7.31sec@159mph
NOS kit coming in next week
Originally posted by SptBiz
From Altimas.net :
It seems that there is considerable talk about Nissan wanting to recall it's Maxima's and Altimas with the VQ engines and install Stoppers under the Gas Pedal in order to limit the horspower of the cars and make them safer.
Hmmm, if this is true about this stopper, then the opposite could also be true............
Let's assume for arguments sake that the stopper is meant to be used to slow down our little 4 wheeled rockets. (Perhaps the engineers at Nissan have realized that they may have overspec'd the Altima. It would be pretty embarasing for them if we could out pace the new 350Z. It will be interesting to see if they delay the arrival of the 350Z until they cleaverly get all the Altima and Maxima owners in the shop to add the stopper. (A devilishly diabolical plan if I do say so Myself))
So this is my thought. If I could shave down the floor board say another 10% deeper, hen theoretically I could produce an extra 24 HP Bringing the Altima up to 264HP. An iteresting theory based on the stopper principal, But can it be proven????
Well being the take charge kind of guy that I am I called my bud with a 2002 Maxima to come over to help me out with this experiment. Well guess what??!!! When I got out my steel thickness guages and we measured the thickness of the Altima and the Maxima floor boards the Maxima's floor board was 5% thinner...... EUREKA!! the answer to the lost 10 horspower between the 2 cars
An almost bullit proof theory, but I had to test it once again. So I went to the Infinity dealer that I knew and asked him if my bud and I could take out the G35 with out a salesman. He said it was O.K. So we brought the G35 home stipped off the carpeting and measured the floor board. Well the floor boards were 11% thinner than the Altima. With the G35 touting 265HP My theory was now bullit proof.........
BUT WAIT!!!!!
With the 350 Z rumoured to be coming out with 290 HP, according to my calculations the floor boards would have to be paper thin!!!!!!!!!! Any sudden slamming of the brakes would put your foot right through the floor........ My Theory had a HOLE!!!
Luckly while doing my original research on my Nissan purchase I befriended a Nissan project and design engineer in Japan. We corresponded at great lengths over the internet about the nissan design philosophy. In order to thank him for his help I sent him over a few pairs of Levi's jeans. He told me that he owed me one.........
It was time for me to pull in my Marker!!!
I confronted him with my floorboard theory.... He was shocked and wanted to know how I found out about it.... He confirmed My Theory and told me that it was in fact what was happening with the cars in order to show more Horse power output from the same engine and maintain a hierarchy of vehicles in the Nissan LINE UP.
So of course my next question was, How were they going to produce the 290 HP 350Z with paper thin floor boards?????
Easy he said, they have come up with a special reinforced paper thin floor board made out of TITANIUM..........
According to my friend the Engineer from Japan, this is not new technology, infact, they stole it many years ago from the North American Automakers. (They accidentally uncovered it while studying early episodes of the Flintstones, and realized that fred's car had no floor boards. It was quite a novel Idea at the time.) In fact The first Japanese cars that came to North Amarica in the late 60's used the thin floorboard technology. This is why they could produce so much horse power out of thier four cylinders at the time. The technology was put on the shelf in the late 70's because as you know the Japanese cars were notorlious for rusting out and many 5 year old Japanese cars could not pass safety inspections because of holes in the floor boards. It actually created a very dangerous situation because exhaust fumes could actually enter into the cabin of the car. It seems that the steel being produced in those days was poor and had very little structural integrity.
But now with the advent of new stainless steels and titanium metals, it's a hole new ballgame in the Steel industry!! (Witness the great advances in golf clubs. The new TITANIUM club faces are much thinner, but considerably stronger than the old steel club faces.)
So Nissan, 4 years ago took the thin floorboard technology off of the shelf and designed it into the new VQ powered cars.
As soon as the other manufactures catch on, I am sure you will start to see a change in the design of their cars. Roof lines will get higher and driver seats will be higher from the floor in order to be able to get more distance between the gas pedal and the floor. Just put an Altima next to a Pontiac Grand Prix and notice how the roof of the Altima bubbles much higher and the seat position are much higher in the car.
Who knows perhaps in the future, the power of your car will be determened by the length of your legs????
When that time comes, we will see the migration of Basketball players becoming Racing car drivers.
Races will be won by the team that has a car still left running in the race that hasn't toppled over due to the high centre of gravity that will be required for the future 780HP family sedans.
My theory is now fact!!! Well this afternoon I am going to be cutting out my floor boards and installing the TITANIUM ones sent to me By my engineer friend. I will have the first 290HP Altima....
I will post pictures as soon as I am done.
Regards,
TEAMCANADA.
From Altimas.net :
It seems that there is considerable talk about Nissan wanting to recall it's Maxima's and Altimas with the VQ engines and install Stoppers under the Gas Pedal in order to limit the horspower of the cars and make them safer.
Hmmm, if this is true about this stopper, then the opposite could also be true............
Let's assume for arguments sake that the stopper is meant to be used to slow down our little 4 wheeled rockets. (Perhaps the engineers at Nissan have realized that they may have overspec'd the Altima. It would be pretty embarasing for them if we could out pace the new 350Z. It will be interesting to see if they delay the arrival of the 350Z until they cleaverly get all the Altima and Maxima owners in the shop to add the stopper. (A devilishly diabolical plan if I do say so Myself))
So this is my thought. If I could shave down the floor board say another 10% deeper, hen theoretically I could produce an extra 24 HP Bringing the Altima up to 264HP. An iteresting theory based on the stopper principal, But can it be proven????
Well being the take charge kind of guy that I am I called my bud with a 2002 Maxima to come over to help me out with this experiment. Well guess what??!!! When I got out my steel thickness guages and we measured the thickness of the Altima and the Maxima floor boards the Maxima's floor board was 5% thinner...... EUREKA!! the answer to the lost 10 horspower between the 2 cars
An almost bullit proof theory, but I had to test it once again. So I went to the Infinity dealer that I knew and asked him if my bud and I could take out the G35 with out a salesman. He said it was O.K. So we brought the G35 home stipped off the carpeting and measured the floor board. Well the floor boards were 11% thinner than the Altima. With the G35 touting 265HP My theory was now bullit proof.........
BUT WAIT!!!!!
With the 350 Z rumoured to be coming out with 290 HP, according to my calculations the floor boards would have to be paper thin!!!!!!!!!! Any sudden slamming of the brakes would put your foot right through the floor........ My Theory had a HOLE!!!
Luckly while doing my original research on my Nissan purchase I befriended a Nissan project and design engineer in Japan. We corresponded at great lengths over the internet about the nissan design philosophy. In order to thank him for his help I sent him over a few pairs of Levi's jeans. He told me that he owed me one.........
It was time for me to pull in my Marker!!!
I confronted him with my floorboard theory.... He was shocked and wanted to know how I found out about it.... He confirmed My Theory and told me that it was in fact what was happening with the cars in order to show more Horse power output from the same engine and maintain a hierarchy of vehicles in the Nissan LINE UP.
So of course my next question was, How were they going to produce the 290 HP 350Z with paper thin floor boards?????
Easy he said, they have come up with a special reinforced paper thin floor board made out of TITANIUM..........
According to my friend the Engineer from Japan, this is not new technology, infact, they stole it many years ago from the North American Automakers. (They accidentally uncovered it while studying early episodes of the Flintstones, and realized that fred's car had no floor boards. It was quite a novel Idea at the time.) In fact The first Japanese cars that came to North Amarica in the late 60's used the thin floorboard technology. This is why they could produce so much horse power out of thier four cylinders at the time. The technology was put on the shelf in the late 70's because as you know the Japanese cars were notorlious for rusting out and many 5 year old Japanese cars could not pass safety inspections because of holes in the floor boards. It actually created a very dangerous situation because exhaust fumes could actually enter into the cabin of the car. It seems that the steel being produced in those days was poor and had very little structural integrity.
But now with the advent of new stainless steels and titanium metals, it's a hole new ballgame in the Steel industry!! (Witness the great advances in golf clubs. The new TITANIUM club faces are much thinner, but considerably stronger than the old steel club faces.)
So Nissan, 4 years ago took the thin floorboard technology off of the shelf and designed it into the new VQ powered cars.
As soon as the other manufactures catch on, I am sure you will start to see a change in the design of their cars. Roof lines will get higher and driver seats will be higher from the floor in order to be able to get more distance between the gas pedal and the floor. Just put an Altima next to a Pontiac Grand Prix and notice how the roof of the Altima bubbles much higher and the seat position are much higher in the car.
Who knows perhaps in the future, the power of your car will be determened by the length of your legs????
When that time comes, we will see the migration of Basketball players becoming Racing car drivers.
Races will be won by the team that has a car still left running in the race that hasn't toppled over due to the high centre of gravity that will be required for the future 780HP family sedans.
My theory is now fact!!! Well this afternoon I am going to be cutting out my floor boards and installing the TITANIUM ones sent to me By my engineer friend. I will have the first 290HP Altima....
I will post pictures as soon as I am done.
Regards,
TEAMCANADA.
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