Someone give it to me straight. What do i gotta to to get this? I heard that someones done it, but i dunno if the guy was just blowing smoke. but is it possible? and how much would this cost, without the motor and tranny? yah, can the tranny carry over too?

Thanks for the help.

 

Lots of money ... lots.

Blowing smoke.

Yes... refer back to the first point.

Point one.

Search ... probably not ... but if you have lots of money ... anything is possible.

 

In the long run, just to say "my 4th gen has a 2002 6spd" its not worth it, cause there are plenty of cars and some of them are 4th genners that can still whoop ya.

But if you have the $$$ to throw around, more power to ya I'd love to see it happen. Unfortunately our cars are not like older model cars that can accomodate many different engines without llittle more expense than the engine itself.

But yes anythings possible.

 

if u want that engine, get it with the car it was meant to be with........its gonna be hard to toss in the 3.5 into a 4th gen

 

Why not just buy a 2k VQ30DE and rebuild it for all motor or boost? Hell I've seem the motors go for around $1200-2500. Figure $1k-2k in full headwork/port/chamber work, custom ground cams, higher or lower compression pistons, aftermarket custom valve springs. Or just order a DET (do a search on VQ30DET).

 

I hurd that all the motors are the same, threw 95-2002 the only thin they did was each time the maxima was faster they did somthing to the motor, i hurd the 2002 motor has like all new pistons, rods, rings, cams, and cam gears... its bored out to a 3.5 L and thats it, well instead of getting the whole motor, just put the internals of a 2002 maxima, in a 4th gen, and see what happens

 

Thats not making sense. A 3.0L hAS yet to be bored to 3.5L, theres not enough inbetween the cylinders.

The 2002 Internals are not the same.

 

yes but if the 4th gen had the VQ30, and the 2000 had the VQ30, then it is the same engine with different internals. made to produce more horsepower. but the body style is the same between 2002 and 2000, but the motor has a bigger displacement. just because nobody has bored a 3.0 litre to 35.L, doesnt mean that it isnt possible. nissan makes the engine, so i assume they would be able to do it. and since its prolly gonna change again soon, i dont think there is much sense in doing too much to differentiate the 2002 from the other 5th gens. so in the sense of cost you would think that the cars engines should be fairly compatable. but you say build up a 2000 motor? do you know anyone who has done this?

BTW> i would just buy a 2002, but the 4th gen has the best body style and the car is lighter so im interested to see how it would work out. plus NISMO in the Fall. so there will be some sweet power parts for the 3.5L.

but yah so you say it costs lots? define lots.

 

I know for a fact there all the same motor! Go to NISSAN web site, they will even tell you what they have done to the 2002 to make it faster... More agressive insides...and bord it out to a 3.5 Its the same damn motor, the insides should fit, ive even talked to people liek chreston about it, and since the insides are more agressive, and if they do if, they should make the 4th generation motor a hella alot faster...I dont know of anyone that has done it yet, but im sure as hell going to try, I have no money right now, but its deffently on my list to do... All my friends have hondas and mess with this stuff all the time, taking LS integra motors, and puting type R pistons rods, and cams in side, and having a motor with type R power, and LS toruqe, witch ='s one bad *** monstor when put into a little CRX .... Im sure it will work for the maximas... the 95-2001 are all the same motor, the 2002 is the only one thats mostly diffrent, it is the same motor tho ... the only reson the 2000-2001 has more hp then the 95-99 is becuase they changes the exhuase, bigger TB, and bigger intake.... Nothing done to the motor... But it is the same motor...Nissan just took the same damn motor, and keeped working on it over the years...so to say it like a 2 year old so everyone can understand it, the 2002 maxima's motor, is the same as all of are, just preaty much fully maxed out

 

Originally posted by Moreau
yes but if the 4th gen had the VQ30, and the 2000 had the VQ30, then it is the same engine with different internals. made to produce more horsepower.

The variable intake and exhaust system is responsible for this.

just because nobody has bored a 3.0 litre to 35.L, doesnt mean that it isnt possible.

As stated previously, there is not enough room (ie, area consisting of metal, not cylinder) to do this. It will not fit. Period.


but you say build up a 2000 motor? do you know anyone who has done this?

Again, the VQ30 in the 4th gen and the VQ30 in the 5th gen are "VQ30s" -- They are the same engine. Many people have done the 4th gen one. Don in Texas, i30krab and Mardigras are just a few I believe.

but yah so you say it costs lots? define lots.

Lots. An exceedingly large engine in an already tight engine bay with no prior work experience ever been done on a transplant like this. Off the top of my head? I'd say 15,000+.

 

ok, im not trying to pick on people. but why do people assume that people want to do stuff to thier car to go out and beat hondas and all this. and how other cars are faster. i dont really care. i just want to put a 2k2 motor in my 4th gen and people are so damn negative. i hope noone takes this to heart. wheres all the people that are pumped up about trying new things and stuff?? reply to my posts. lol. no but seriously. speed aint nothing if u cant stop or turn. lol. but i think it would be cool to have a 2K2 motor in my 4th gen. its different. aside from ease of transplant, think of a b18 in a civic, those cars can tear, i think it would be cool to do it in a max. lol. but yah i wanna see some positive pumped up peeps on here. sorry i cant sleep and i just quit smoking. <-- more $$ for my ride.

 

it could be done if you have a 40 lb wallet ........this was brout up a few times before, and according to some of the members, it will require a great deal of modification to accomplish

 

If you want to try it, I say go for it. Who knows if it can actually be done without spending more money than you have...but if you really want it, do it up. If you successfully did it, think of how you just proved all the people that doubted wrong. Plus, you would also have the sweet ride! Goodluck with whatever you choose.

 

the best would be to do it so i could laugh. lol. plus i got another bone to pick. i have been reading posts, and some people on here are just straight up asses. rude as hell and show no respect for other people.


OHHHHHHH!!!

and whats with the server..... lol

sorry.

 

ikm suprised that there are this many people on this thing that the server shuts down all the time, and noone works as a tech at nissan or something. they must go somewhere, lol. but has anyone contacted the people at nissan;s tech dept on this topic?

 

Once agian, like i siad before, go to nissans web site, go to the 2002 maxima, find sh*t on the motor, and it will say, same motor, just more agressive insides...

 

Ok for all you lazy ones that just like to talk and are to lazy to even go to nissans site, this is what it says about the motor..

V6 Engine

For 2002, we bored the engine, dropped in fatter pistons, built on the award-winning VQ technologies (adding a few new ones) and came up with 33 extra horses for a grand total of 255.


SAME MOTOR!!!!!

And your you guys that still dont belive me , here is the link



ahhhh told yaNISSAN'S WEB SITE

 

Everyone is giving you ish because it doesn't make any sense...

For the $$ you'd spend, why don't you just buy and 2K2??

If you want to do it, do it...

To everyone here, you're just another newbie saying "I'm going to do this, and I'm going to do that"...

You aren't the first one. Talk about it all you want but, the truth is, you won't get any respect until you do it...

 

I say do it if you want...but when a s/c max out runs ya....damn how much was the transplant.? Hondas and us are so much different the diff b/tw the civic motors is like 80hp..we would need a Q45 engine to step up the ratio...any way good luck. my anwser is a 14.7 sec Max and a 12.9 sec 72' grand prix...

take care,

D

 

get it done so you can be the first.

 

maximas arent meant to be super fast unless you put much money in it. BUt if you want to do the swap , then do it and shut everyone up. BUt we all have heard this before so most people just ignore you.




mike

 

To all those people who wont gimme respect cuz im a newbie.... yPU CAN ALL SUCK MY CANADAIAN C*OCK. If u guys are too lame to gimme respect than **** on you guys, plus the 2k2 is ugly as hell! who wants one of those? plus like i said... i like the 4th gen the most. why did Shadow put all this money in his max? to have something he was proud of. I think Nigel or someone was a newbie as well and his car is more badass than lots of cars on this site. plus if u arent gonna give me respect based on how new i am.... bite me? you think im all talk? well than u guys got another thing coming. i just dont think of something and go to home depot and buy all the parts. if you dont got a F*cken answer for my post. dont reply. and if youre gonna be a b*stard and shut people down then go bite the big one. not flaming anyone, just sick of some attitudes on the .org

 

yah this guy above me know what im saying. so how can we get it into our cars? people must think that if honda does it, nissan dont. but the fact is, most motors are made similar cuz its already a good design, it costs less in regards to R&D and production. so the motor being the same is very likely and makes economic sense to both nissan and the customer by saving them money, they can keep trhe price competitive and increase profits. What would be the point of nissan putting a totalluy different motor in a car that only has 1 production year. so i think it might work

 

People have answered your post and they did show you respect, but you're not going to get anymore by mouthing off to people here. What answer are you expecting, anyway? Since nobody here has done it yet you can't expect someone to give you a detailed write-up (not that I'd expect a detailed write-up for something like an engine swap anyway). If you really want to do it so bad, go ahead and DO IT. Do some research, find out how much it'll cost, and go for it. Let us know how it turns out.

In the mean time, there's no use in arguing with people who are telling you to go ahead and do it.

 

That's all well and great, but if the modified engine isn't going to fit in the 4th gen bay then it won't matter.

 

yah if its the same motor, the mounts would be reanonably close to each other., i understand perhaps a mount kit will need to be fabricated but is it physically able to fit in the car, and what would need to be relocated?

oh btw. nobody say yah if u put it in the back seat etc, just real answers

 

Here is a very detailed and long thread comparing the VQ30 and the VQ35.

Read and enjoy.

http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?threadid=91939

 

im not badmouthing anyone. but the only time im gonna get respect is when everyone wants to know what i did and how i did it, just like the turbo kit... then u guys go treating the poor guys like a 5$ hooker. lol, but what im saying is, if i gotta do something to get that kinda respect, i dont want it. plus im not *****ing people out for saying do it. but if u r gonna be all " yah man u can do it..... if u take another mortgage out on your house" or something like that it is ok, but its kinda rude. sorry guys im just in search of some technical advice, but im going to go to call nissan and find out what the nissan techs say about this. Maybe they will respect me from the time i say hi.

 

Oh forgot to ask. isnt this site for research? and sharing info? or do i gotta join one of your teams or donate to the site? what do i gotta do?
so u see i am researching.

 

thanks for the 411. but the insides may be different but if they all come in the same size container, it doesnt matter whats inside. i have read this post.

Keh Mon said


"I havent examined this close, but it is my thought that you could use the VQ35 in a VQ30 car as long as you swapped over all your sensors. It dosenot appear that the variable valve control is electronic so this could also be intagrated."

i dont want the cranks and stuff in my 3.0 , but i just want the 3.5 engine in my 4th gen.

 

This hasn't been done to the best of my knowledge, or anyone's on this forum for that matter. But I say go for it... Dont listen to the newbie haters

go to the dealership with some measuring tape and inspect some '02's, make sure its reasonable

make some mechanic friends... good ones

make some pals at a junk yard and get them to call you when someone wrecks an '02

drag it to your house and go at it... might need a beater car for the weeks/months you'll be down

then when your done post some pics... if you dont have a digital camera find someone who does cause noone will believe you without good pics (ive got one that you could borrow, but im in dallas)

hows that for "technical advice"

 

97 GLE you are a good man. truly. that is what i was looking for in a reply. you get the pics first if i do this. but yah i was at the dealership by my place for a bit, and one of the guys if big into nissan cars and engines. and we talked swaps for a bit., so im sure hed help me do some comparisons. youre a good man. i think it would be cool to do this. and everyone says its not fast cuz a 2002 isnt as fast as _________. but in a car like a 4th gen, the weight to power ratios will differ, and rather than using a supercharger on a 4th gen engine, id rather have an all motor 3.5 and wait to see what goodness Nismo gives us. plus i might be getting in at a dealership, so il make lots of good connections. once again... thanks bro

 

Gracias...

I see no reason for people to kill these ideas... i have civic driving friends and so many of them run around with completely different engines... they put them in the back seat for that matter... some civics have SR20DET's in them... the reason its so expensive and daunting for us is no one will quit sneering and just do it! Take some risks, I know i would if I could afford anything other that insurance.

 

Hey man , Im the one that got everyone to shut up that was sayign your idea woulent work, im the one that convinced and proved to everyone its the same motor...but fine , whatever... Do you motor swap, or take the insides , and put it in your car....and dont offer me the 411

 

Didn't mean to steal your thunder...

It's ok buddy I'll share

 

yah Maxspeed, i had thanksed you but i credited you as the guy above me. sorry i couldnt remember the name. but im glad u are on the same level. someone mention insurance? how $7000 a year sound. lol .its canadian, but its also alot of $$$$$. but yah i thank all who did help me. You too Maxspeed. didnt mean to cut out the lightning. lol.
but now u have been struck. yah im gonna go to the dealership. prod around this week,. and if i get a job at the dealership ill have many days to talk and fool with stuff. but yah. im thinking if i can find a motor i might do it. the guys at the dealership werent super technical, but one guy said that a 3.5l in a 4th gen would rule. especiall when u take it in for service. lmao.

 

Maxspeed- People did not stop posting because you got them to "shut up." THey stopped posting because this thread turned pretty nasty when Moreau decided to mouth off to people. People on this site aren't scared of others. Just be lucky certain members haven't seen this thread yet.

Moreau- We don't hate newbies on here. (and btw, this site isn't ran by Nissan and is not affiliated with NIssan. u don't have to join anything to be recognized. just follow the tips and guildlines.) you have to understand that this topic has been discussed like a million times in the past. there was a guy who came on here and said he was going to do this and this and this. the stuff he talked of would be like $50K plus. when the veteran members told him it wasn't possible with out $$, he told them to suck off. trust me, there are guys on here who have shelled out well over $20K into a three or four year old car. we know what we are talking about. (well, most of us).

As for your question concerning a VQ35DE into a 4th gen... it's possible. but its going to cost you a grip. the reason isn't as simple as "will it fit?" you have sensors, wires, ecu, tranny, ect... to deal with. logically, if you could get all of those, the price would be up to about $10K maybe even $15K. and what would you have? ~260-280 crank horses? Give me $10K and i'll put you well into the 400HP range. forget what NISMO will have. twin turbo in a 350Z will not physically fit in a 4th gen.

happy posting.

 

Romeo


You answered the question if it could fit and about how much, what about just taking the 2002 maxima insides and putting them into a 4th gen. maxima? Pistons, rods, rings, cams, and cam gears? there more agressive, and should make the 95-2001 motor much stronger and faster, but do they fit?

 

like a hybrid VQ30/VQ35? well...i'm not in the best position to answer this. check out the very first sticky thread in this forum. from what Don and the other Max peeps posted, a hybrid motor would perhaps push a strong 240+...maybe. i've thought about doing a hybrid but am still doing a TON of research and watchng the junk yards very carefully. one step closer is IanSW who imported a Middle East Variable Intake for the VQ30. it puts us a little closer to reaching VQ35 hp level.

the VQ30 and VQ35 share the same block and come from the same line of engines (VQ series), but i don't know if they are the EXACT same.

 

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