Hey, just got clocked at 77mph in a 50 zone (cop wrote 72 on the ticket, although it does not seem to make a difference). Anyway, does anyone have any good info on how to go about beating it? I am going to see if I can question the accuracy/reliability of the laser he used, but is there something else too?
Also, he marked "toyota" under a vehicle make (it's right next to nissan), could that be a grounds for dismissal? I mean he can't recognize a toyota from a nissan, can he be trusted with issuing tickets?

Thanks

 

a lot of reasons go into beating tickets, as for me i have beatten as of today 4 tickets without any help from lawyers. just use common knowledge and smooth talking with the judges.

 

by him writing 72 instead of 77, he may have just saved your *** from wreckless driving...a lot of states consider 25 over an automatic suspension of license

 

anything more specific I could use in the courtroom?

thanks

 

Maybe, I don't know about that, but looking at the ticket i still fall into a category of 10-30mph over speed limit..

 

to help you, you have to describe in every specific detail on how it happened, and where you were and blah blah!

 

Going West on the Belt, near Rockaway Pkwy. In the left lane. As I got over the hill, he was in the bushes on the right. Light to medium traffic, with most cars going at fairly similar speeds. Weather was great, sun and everything.
what else?

thanks

 

He did save your *** by putting the 72. If you appeal and he shows, you will probably lose or at least get it reduced.

It is definate that he dropped that for you. He could have written you a criminal complaint.

He hooked you up but appeal anyway... Make up a stupid reason...

 

Are you sure he checked Toyota? My friend got off cause the officer spelt his name incorrectly. If it is checked toyota, then you might get off.

 

If you try to argue that the wrong box was checked you might do nothing but tick-off the judge.
Find out who the prosecutor is and call him/her. Calmly discuss that you think the ticket may have been in error since the cop made some mistakes, you were going with the flow of traffic, yada, yada, yada.
Then suggest that if the ticket is reduced to a non-moving violation you would be willing to enter a guilty plea and just pay that for the non-moving ticket. This would save you points and an insurance increase, if your request is denied then plead not-guilty and try to fight it.

 

thanks, you mean a county prosecutor? just give his office a call?
the "toyota" and "nissan" boxes are adjacent, but the "x" mark clearly intersects in the "toyota" box, although the lines do touch on the "nissan" box.
thanks again

 

It's tough with laser because there is no question as to which car he clocked. The cop looks through a scope and places the red dot right on your car. Once he presses the button your speed and the distance he clocked you shows up on his read-out. So there will be no question about clocking the right car. The only way I can see you winning is if you can prove that the instrument was deffective or the cop was not trained properly which will be tough to do. As for the wrong box on the ticket being checked off for the car make, the cop can easily say that the carbon copy was not exactely matched up when he checked it off. He basically gave you a roadside plea bargain(not that great of a bargain) when he reduced the speed. Go to court and see if you can get it reduced further.



P.s. 40 over the limit can be considered reckless in NY.

 

If you cant get out of the ticket, ask the judge to give you a few days to pay it. Pay with a cashiers check or money order, if the ticket is say 120 pay 122 or if it is 130 pay 132, you have to do this with a money order or cashiers check, It also works better if you mail the payment in. The state will send you a refund check of $2 destroy this check DO NOT CASH IT. By not cashing the check the finiancial record is not closed so the state cannot put the points on your record. It works in most states.

 

how can i find out if it works in NY?

thanks

 

Ok I've been looking through my car and drivers where I read about this and I can't find the magazine it was in. I want to say it was in NY or NJ but I'm not sure, the only way to find out is to ask someone who work in the dot in your state, but from what I've been told by other people it is suposed to work everywhere. I did it in AL and it worked. Hey but even if your not totaly sure whats 2 bucks, you should at least try it. I'll keep looking for the magazine it was in and I'll inform you when I find it, but I've got about 20 more to look through.

 

you can do this where i live dont know if you can do it though, you are allowed to go to the police station and request to see that the officer that clocked you had the proper training and that the radar or laser which ever has been claibrated. if any of those is not up to date then there ya go. its worth a try if you have some spare time on your hands.

 

Hey, i recently got clocked doing 77 in a 30 zone. I was late for school going down a side street that was long, and he was coming up. I was in my corvette so i was low and didnt see him coming up the hill. As we passed i slammed the brakes and he did too. I flew down the road full pedal and turned into a side street hoping he didnt see me. Yea, this didnt work. He came about 5 minutes later as i was standing behind the car with the hatch open. He was pretty ****ed that i tried to run. I gave him my PBA and talked to him. He was cool, but he still gave me 77 in the 30 and said "stop speeding on my roads". A couple months later, just a couple weeks ago, i went to court. My uncle works for the PD and knows some people, and even that couldnt get it dropped or reduced to anything lower than a 60 in a 30. We prayed the judge would accept it and not take me to jail. Well, he did accept it and i got 6 points on my license. Bottom line is that it isnt hard to reduce them, i sa3w 80 in 50's get dropped down to 55 in a 50. It is still spedding, but i dont know if it is many points. Just plead not guilty, ask for a metting, and try and plea it down. It should work, if not, come back with a lawyer...good luck

 

If you are concerned about the points, this should work. In FL, you can only take the defensive driving course once a year to get points off of your record. Anyways, I received 2 tickets in 1 year This is one reason I sold my Trans Am....Anyways, If you have a fairly clean driving record, and are ineligable for taking the class to get your points removed, plead "No Contest" You do not have to pay court fees, nor do you get points on your record. All you have to do is pay your intial fine...And my court date was booked 4 months after I received my ticket, so you get an extra 3 months to pay. They went by alphabetical order in my case, and my last name starts with a T. Sit through, and see how tough the judge is. I would say ~30 people were present, and only 1 had a ticket overturned, and it was for running a stop sign. EVERYONE who put in a no contest plead instead of a not guilty plead received 0 points on their license, and only had to pay the face value on the ticket. If you decide to plead no contest and he asks what you would like to be done, tell him that you feel you are a good driver, and you made a mistake. Tell him you have no problem with paying the fine, but you ask if the points could be witheld from your record. Main thing is to be nice, don't try to argue.
Good luck!
Later,
Rob

 

thanks, and that works? just saying that you made a mistake? isn't it admitting it?

thanks

 

thanks, if everything else fails I will certainly pay these extra few dollars.

thanks again

 

thanks,
how do you plead it down?

 

Yea, maybe you shouldn't say exactly that. Ask around. I talked to a cop here in FL, and that's the advice that he gave me, as well as others that I talked to. Ask around others in your state, but it should remain true in all states. Good luck!

 

That's one of the biggest Urban Legends there is. (i.e. it's not true).

Your best bet is to plead not guilty. Always delay. Don't send the ticket in until the last day it has to be there. Once you get a court date, which will first just be with a d!ckhead prosecutor, call the clerk's office and put it off another month or two since you will be "out of the state" on business. In NY that means that your actual meeting with the prosecutor will probably be at least 6 months away. The cop, if he even shows up for the actual trial, will have no personal recollection of anything. Search the web for help with fighting courtroom tickets. The National Motorists Association has a great info packet full of great cross-examination questions and everything.

Fight, fight, fight. Never pay anything until they pry it from your cold dead fingers.

-RMB

 

PUHLEEEZ!!!The Truth

 

ummmmmm, it worked for me.... or they are just slow at adding the points considering i paid in march...

 

Plead no lo contende.......I got a lawyer and pleaded no lo contende for going 86 in a 65....no points, paid the fine.....and I am only 18...

 

dude, how do you do it? the ticket that i have to mail in gives only guilty/not guilty options... Also, what did the lawyer say in court?

thanks

 

The State of New York offers a unique challenge for successfully fighting traffic tickets. Actually this challenge exists in Albany, Buffalo, Rochester and New York City. If you receive a citation in these cities you are essentially doomed. These cities utilize the DMV Transit Adjudication Bureau. This facility is not a real court. You have no right to discovery, you don’t get a supporting deposition, you cannot plea bargain and you don’t even get a real judge. Appeals are virtually non-existent and according to a recent report, the Bureau is required to maintain a 65% conviction rate in order to maintain revenues. The only positive is that the Administrative Law Judge doesn’t have the power of incarceration so you won’t end up in jail.
The only hope for a small measure of success in this venue is to file as many continuances as possible and hope that the officer finally doesn’t show for your appearance date. This is the only way you will manage to beat a citation in this skewed excuse for a court system. As hard as it is to believe, this system is legal and constitutional. Continued efforts to revise this system have been vetoed by the governors at the time since it is realized that this system is a money machine. The best advice is not to get a ticket in any of these locations.

more at
http://www.worldlawdirect.com/article.php/903

 

he did not save my a$$- just looked it up on NY's DMV site

VIOLATION POINTS
Speeding MPH over posted limit: 21 to 30- 6 points

 

Nolo Contende is just another word for "GUILTY". It means "No contest" in Latin. They came up with this idea figuring they'd sucker more people into not fighting the ticket. DONT FALL FOR IT. INNOCENT is the only thing you should plead.

If there is any fine(reduced or otherwise) associated with whatever bullsh1t "deal" the prosecutor feeds you then your motor vehicle record will show it. More importantly your insurance company can now see violation and screw your rates. As far as that **** prosecutor not giving you any "points". Many states have eliminated "points", like CT. It's just a legal detail though. There is no "point" system but they still track all your moving violations. If you receive three moving violations in 3 years then your license is automatically suspended. So you're still getting raped. He just bought you dinner first.

Innocent ONLY! If you must, offer to the prosecutor that you'd be willing to pay the full amount of the ticket to a charity of his choice in return for throwing out the ticket. If not, GO TO COURT. Don't give in to "lesser" fees. It's an entire corrupt money making system that has NOTHING to do with the law. It's our job to fight every ticket. If we did, the system would collapse.

-RMB

 

Go to the police station? Not in NY State. You get to see those documents only if you plead not guilty and go to trial.

 

Once you try and ditch a cop, all bets are off. Not even the ol PBA card is going to Save your @ss. If you pulled over when he first turned on you, you may have gotten a break with the Card.

 

The cop doesn't need personal recollection as long as he has the stop documented in his notes. Some traffic enforcement cops write write as many as 20 tix a day. When trial date comes, some guys have as many as 25 cases on the docket. No way in hell a cop is going to have personal recollection of all those stops that happened weeks sometimes months ago. But more than 90% of of the cases get a conviction.

 

Sorry man, but in Utah at least, this is a HUGE URBAN LEGEND!!! It won't work.

Also, just because they don't list anything other than Guilty, or Not guilty, it doesn't mean there aren't more choices.

I just got a ticket last week. I have a radar detector, and the cop paced me without my knowledge... In Theory, I could request certification of a speedometer calibration test for his car, but chances are, it will just p*ss off the Judge...

This is what I did, and you can call your local prosecutor to see if they accept this plea. I entered a "plea in abeyance." Basically how it works, is you enter an agreement (plea bargain) with the court by saying that as long as no further citations are recieved within 6 months of your plea, the original citation will be dropped from your record, with no points assessed. Then, you just have to drive friendly for 6 months. After that, not even the DMV knows about it... Check your local laws and jurisdiction for details...

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by rmb
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That's one of the biggest Urban Legends there is. (i.e. it's not true).

Your best bet is to plead not guilty. Always delay. Don't send the ticket in until the last day it has to be there. Once you get a court date, which will first just be with a d!ckhead prosecutor, call the clerk's office and put it off another month or two since you will be "out of the state" on business. In NY that means that your actual meeting with the prosecutor will probably be at least 6 months away. The cop, if he even shows up for the actual trial, will have no personal recollection of anything. Search the web for help with fighting courtroom tickets. The National Motorists Association has a great info packet full of great cross-examination questions and everything.

Fight, fight, fight. Never pay anything until they pry it from your cold dead fingers.

Urban legend or not it works in AL, I had someone run a check on my licence and only one of my two tickets showed up, and it had been at least 5 months since i paid the state.

 

Hate to be the one to say this, but... Why not save yourself a lot of hassel and just pay the ticket, learn your lesson, and don't speed. Hate to be the jerk, but I felt at least someone had to say it. Speed limits are there for a reason.

 

That's what I was trying to get at... By entering a plea in abeyance, you're not attempting to get off the hook... You pay the money, the city gets what they want, and in 6 months, if you don't screw up again, the city/county where you got the ticket drops the charges... No insurance hikes, no points, and no record...

 

you could say that your speedometer wasn't working right and go to a mechanic and get some type of a note or just tell the judge that the cop got the wrong car he wrote a toyota instead of a nissan so you should be able to get out of it cuz the cop wont show up for the hearing.

 

Thats exactly true. Be thanksful you didn't get nailed with reckless operation or driving to endanger. Your license would have had a temporary vacation.

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Some states actually have a narrative on the back of a ticket for the officer to write his notes. Thats why they are sometimes a bit slow in giving you the ticket and they still know what happened. You will NOT see the narrative on the copy you get, however. If the ticket doesn't have the narrative most cops carry a notebote and jot down notes of stops they think will end up in court.

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