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Old Jun 4, 2002 | 02:10 PM
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Video of Race vs Turbo Civic vs 300z TT

Some of you guys, specially those with high speed connections, may enjoy this little video clip that my boys from the SE forum so gratiously put up for me. The video is of two races where I ran a Turbo civic and a 300 ZX TT. The first heading of "97 vs 97" ignore, that was a little mix up. I'm a 95 GLE. The sound is kinda loud so be careful. BTW, I'm an auto and the other guys is who you hear shifting in the video ( you only hear me hitting 2nd (thanks to Don's VB mod)).

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http://www.max-world.org/downloads/jamie1.wmv
Old Jun 4, 2002 | 02:26 PM
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Very Nice!! Way to represent the MAX!
I cant believe how bad you whooped that 300ZTT.

Gives a newbie stock driver like myself something to look forward to.
Old Jun 4, 2002 | 02:27 PM
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Thats a Turbo civic!!!?
Old Jun 4, 2002 | 02:28 PM
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nice, you are running a 75 shot? The turbo civis at the track by my house are running those numbers too. I'm assuming he turboed the stock engine or something. Anyways, good runs!
Old Jun 4, 2002 | 02:40 PM
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nice, you are running a 75 shot? The turbo civis at the track by my house are running those numbers too. I'm assuming he turboed the stock engine or something. Anyways, good runs!
I'm running a 70 shot. Yea, the civic was kind of a sleeper. I started to line up and one of the guys told me on the 2-way that he zoomed in on the front with the video camera and saw a huge intercooler. He actually stuck right there with me the whole time. As for the 300 TT, that was the only race they lost that night. They also had a Z06 vette with them running in the 12 flat range. It was fun and we're going to do it again on Fri. Hopefully we'll have some more footage to show.
Old Jun 4, 2002 | 03:56 PM
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sweet kills man... seeing that just gets me one step closer to a 75 shot
Old Jun 4, 2002 | 04:00 PM
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wow, from front to back your car looks exactly like mine...95 GLE also and auto...well for the moment ....so that's how my car looks on the track ehh.....MINUS THE good juices
Old Jun 4, 2002 | 04:05 PM
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That's one slow 300ZXTT. Don't they run 13s stock? Hm...odd.
Old Jun 4, 2002 | 04:38 PM
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Old Jun 4, 2002 | 05:10 PM
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Originally posted by Cumalot
That's one slow 300ZXTT. Don't they run 13s stock? Hm...odd.

it was modded. I forget, but the front fascia (sp) had the 3 small vents in it and some lettering. I forget what they said, but it was modded.

And they were VERY close about 1/2 of a second seperated them.

The civic was nice looking, and quick. We almosted missed it's blowoff valve...almost

Nice runs jamie... bring more footage back this weekend
Old Jun 4, 2002 | 05:13 PM
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it was modded. I forget, but the front fascia (sp) had the 3 small vents in it and some lettering. I forget what they said, but it was modded.

And they were VERY close about 1/2 of a second seperated them.

The 300ZXTT was modded? Man, that's even worse.
Old Jun 4, 2002 | 05:21 PM
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Re: Video of Race vs Turbo Civic vs 300z TT

Originally posted by JAIMECBR900
Some of you guys, specially those with high speed connections, may enjoy this little video clip that my boys from the SE forum so gratiously put up for me. The video is of two races where I ran a Turbo civic and a 300 ZX TT. The first heading of "97 vs 97" ignore, that was a little mix up. I'm a 95 GLE. The sound is kinda loud so be careful. BTW, I'm an auto and the other guys is who you hear shifting in the video ( you only hear me hitting 2nd (thanks to Don's VB mod)).

Here's the link:

http://www.max-world.org/downloads/jamie1.wmv
REPRESENT!!!!!
Old Jun 4, 2002 | 05:21 PM
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Originally posted by meccanoble
wow, from front to back your car looks exactly like mine...95 GLE also and auto...well for the moment ....so that's how my car looks on the track ehh.....MINUS THE good juices

Can someone give me a # on how many maxima's that are like his 95 Blah Blah Blah....

Someone ought to give Meccanoble one of those post-Whor*ing messages like the one that Emerald Gxe got!
Old Jun 4, 2002 | 05:56 PM
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The 300ZXTT was modded? Man, that's even worse.

lol..yeah for real..
Old Jun 5, 2002 | 05:04 AM
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Originally posted by Cumalot
That's one slow 300ZXTT. Don't they run 13s stock? Hm...odd.
You guys have to remember, some may even remember my posts on this, the track we were running at has several dissadvantages. It is at a comparatively high altitude, had terrible traction that night (it went from a hot day to a cold night quickly), most cars (i've been told) run about .5 to 1 sec (in bad cases) slower at this track than most others. The 300zx was not slow at all, just track conditions didn't let either one of us get traction. Notice in the video that right off the line both of us are spinning; that's BEFORE I was even on the juice. I had to wait until almost 3/4 thru 1st gear before engaging it. If I could come off the line a little hotter w/o spinning so much, I'm sure my times would be much better. Notice that trap speeds are about on par as some of the better tracks, but by then it's hard to get a good ET. I'm not going to be happy until I can get into the 13's.
Old Jun 5, 2002 | 05:06 AM
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What mods did you have?
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Old Jun 5, 2002 | 05:09 AM
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Can someone give me a # on how many maxima's that are like his 95 Blah Blah Blah....

I think on the orgy there are about 2-3 of us that are the same. 95 GLE's. Are you a 95 GLE too?
Old Jun 5, 2002 | 06:33 AM
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Jaime goods videos are there 13s in your future


Originally posted by JAIMECBR900


I think on the orgy there are about 2-3 of us that are the same. 95 GLE's. Are you a 95 GLE too?
Old Jun 5, 2002 | 07:02 AM
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Jaime goods videos are there 13s in your future


I am going to try and get there soon. I got plans on the drawing board to tweak a little more on the juice and see where that takes me. If I tweak the current setup and don't get there with it, I think I'm just going to go direct port. Hopefully Fri. I'll try and run the lightest I can and if I get traction I might make it. Commerce is just so slick it's hard to tune for it.

You need to come on out and eat a little rice with us...you would put some of those boys to shame.
Old Jun 6, 2002 | 01:43 AM
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good **** makes me proud to rep my maxi. im bout to order a warpspeed y pipe this week. good killz!!
Old Jun 6, 2002 | 10:16 AM
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Originally posted by JAIMECBR900


I think on the orgy there are about 2-3 of us that are the same. 95 GLE's. Are you a 95 GLE too?
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your'e really going to say that without researching , have you checked every single registered memeber profile out there or have you talked with every single registered member to see what kind of maxima they drive?
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Registered Members: 12392

your'e really going to say that without researching , have you checked every single registered memeber profile out there or have you talked with every single registered member to see what kind of maxima they drive?
I was talking about regular posters. I was only guessing. I didn't think anyone would be **** about it.
Old Jun 6, 2002 | 10:33 PM
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it was modded. I forget, but the front fascia (sp) had the 3 small vents in it and some lettering. I forget what they said, but it was modded.
If it was 3 small vents it was probably a 'Fairlady' Z.
Old Jun 6, 2002 | 11:34 PM
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that civic had sum *****!
Old Jun 7, 2002 | 07:58 AM
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Here's another video from that night. Me vs. 5.0L Mustang. Props go to my buddy bags for putting up and hosting the video.

http://www.bags533.com/jamie3.wmv
Old Jun 7, 2002 | 09:19 AM
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Originally posted by bags533

it was modded. I forget, but the front fascia (sp) had the 3 small vents in it and some lettering. I forget what they said, but it was modded.

And they were VERY close about 1/2 of a second seperated them.

The civic was nice looking, and quick. We almosted missed it's blowoff valve...almost

Nice runs jamie... bring more footage back this weekend
14.4 @ 98 mph is stock territory. A stage 3 (intake, exh, chip) should do 13.2-13.5 @ 107-110 mph with a good driver & street tires. I've seen some auto TTZs stage 3 do 12.5-12.8 @ 110-112 mph w/ drag radials.
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14.4 @ 98 mph is stock territory. A stage 3 (intake, exh, chip) should do 13.2-13.5 @ 107-110 mph with a good driver & street tires. I've seen some auto TTZs stage 3 do 12.5-12.8 @ 110-112 mph w/ drag radials.
Maybe at a track with superior traction and at sea level. I doubt very seriously that at our track the numbers would be the same. Just as an example, that same night there was a ZO6 running 12 flat at 110-115 mph. I doubt seriously that a modded 300zx TT, would be able to compare to a ZO6. I know that people are gonna flame and say that heavily modded 300zx TT run some serious numbers, but I'm referring to daily driver 300's not stripped and race ready ones.
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very nice runs...bring your car out to NJ and run 13's
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by the way, what mods do you have???
Look at the top of this page.
Old Jun 7, 2002 | 01:12 PM
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very nice runs...bring your car out to NJ and run 13's
Funny, I've been told that's a really fast track. I would love to, I have a friend that lives and NJ, maybe I'll visit her one day and do that.
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if the Z wasnt in good condition mod'd and all that could be another reason... turboed cars are... not easy to maintain and when you dont maintain em... they can be slow

nice runs!
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Maybe at a track with superior traction and at sea level. I doubt very seriously that at our track the numbers would be the same. Just as an example, that same night there was a ZO6 running 12 flat at 110-115 mph. I doubt seriously that a modded 300zx TT, would be able to compare to a ZO6. I know that people are gonna flame and say that heavily modded 300zx TT run some serious numbers, but I'm referring to daily driver 300's not stripped and race ready ones.
The traction part I can buy, but not the sea level thing. Turbo'd cars don't lose NEARLY as much at altitude as NA cars. It's a fact that they don't lose very much speed and power at altitude at all. So a modded 300ZX TT will run close to the same numbers at 5800 ft (Bandimere in CO) as it will at sea level. And a Z06 running 12 flat and 110-115 at altitude is a very modded Z06. What altitude are you at? Up here at 5800 ft they run high 12s or so. But by his trap it's obvious that he's getting NO traction at all! lol I'd love to see his numbers w/ traction!
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Originally posted by JAIMECBR900
I doubt seriously that a modded 300zx TT, would be able to compare to a ZO6. I know that people are gonna flame and say that heavily modded 300zx TT run some serious numbers, but I'm referring to daily driver 300's not stripped and race ready ones.
It's not *just about power but it's how that power is put to the ground. It's all about the launch and driver skill (if manual). THose who frequent Etown have probably seen Arnel's grey NA (hasn't been racing it for 2 years) or his black TT (white Volk wheels) - he has won at least 10 races, probably more, over the last few years. Is he the fastest? No, but his RT is almost always under .6 and his launches are consistent. Is his TT heavily modded and stripped? No, it weighs 3500+ lbs and has: intake, exhaust, chip, boost controller, drag radials, and a few other minor items.

I'm just saying that the video of the modded TT running 14.4 @ 98 mph isn't the greatest run. The launch looked bad and his top end power just wasn't there. But you still won and that's the only thing that matters.
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The traction part I can buy, but not the sea level thing. Turbo'd cars don't lose NEARLY as much at altitude as NA cars. It's a fact that they don't lose very much speed and power at altitude at all. So a modded 300ZX TT will run close to the same numbers at 5800 ft (Bandimere in CO) as it will at sea level. And a Z06 running 12 flat and 110-115 at altitude is a very modded Z06. What altitude are you at? Up here at 5800 ft they run high 12s or so. But by his trap it's obvious that he's getting NO traction at all! lol I'd love to see his numbers w/ traction!
Remember that both the Z06 and the 300 are RWD. Traction for them comes easier than it does for us. I used the example of the Z06 because someone posted that stock 300Z TT run in the 12's or 13's and I think that is incorrect since that would mean that it was very near the realm of MODDED Z06's. As for altitude, the track is at a comparitively higher altitude than other tracks in our surrounding states. I have read about guys going to tracks further in south GA where the altitude and traction is better and they run the same car almost a sec. faster there than Commerce. Then again, those people may be fibbing a little, but I figure to believe them if they say so. I personally don't know because I've only ran my car on the same track, so I have nothing to compare to.
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Remember that both the Z06 and the 300 are RWD. Traction for them comes easier than it does for us.
all is not equal for RWD suspension design. Launch these 3 cars - RX7 TT, Supra TT, Z32 TT and you will find that the RX7 is the easiest, then the Supra, then the Z. Talk to any Z owner about drag racing and they'll probably mention how difficult it is to get a good launch on the Z. The stock rear rubber subframe bushings flex way too much, causing too much wheel hop if launched too high and bogging off the line if launched too low.

The RX7 and Supra launch, transfer weight to rear, squat, and go. I'm not familiar with domestic car suspension design but I do know the solid rear axle on the muscle cars make it simple for them to launch. On the Z, the multi-link suspension creates negative camber upon load, reducing the amount of rubber in contact with the road, reducing traction. So the Z not only has trouble with weight transfer, it can't put a good patch of rubber on the ground.
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It's not *just about power but it's how that power is put to the ground. It's all about the launch and driver skill (if manual). THose who frequent Etown have probably seen Arnel's grey NA (hasn't been racing it for 2 years) or his black TT (white Volk wheels) - he has won at least 10 races, probably more, over the last few years. Is he the fastest? No, but his RT is almost always under .6 and his launches are consistent. Is his TT heavily modded and stripped? No, it weighs 3500+ lbs and has: intake, exhaust, chip, boost controller, drag radials, and a few other minor items.

I'm just saying that the video of the modded TT running 14.4 @ 98 mph isn't the greatest run. The launch looked bad and his top end power just wasn't there. But you still won and that's the only thing that matters.
As I stated before, I knew people were going to flame about a 300Z TT they saw before running some good numbers. I know that 14.4 is not a "good" number for a TT but considering that I ran a 14.2 that night and last night I ran a 13.7 on the same track with the same car (only a little tweaking on the N2O) shows what I was saying is true. The big difference I noticed last night over the previous time is traction. Last night I had 2.1 60' times on 3 back to back runs. Sure ambient temps were a little different and that may have helped, but all I was trying to say is that the cars that run at this track 14 secs may very well be 13 sec cars at better tracks. Then again (to play devil's advocate), the car may have been a dog and needed to be shot. So, I shot it.
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all is not equal for RWD suspension design. Launch these 3 cars - RX7 TT, Supra TT, Z32 TT and you will find that the RX7 is the easiest, then the Supra, then the Z. Talk to any Z owner about drag racing and they'll probably mention how difficult it is to get a good launch on the Z. The stock rear rubber subframe bushings flex way too much, causing too much wheel hop if launched too high and bogging off the line if launched too low.

The RX7 and Supra launch, transfer weight to rear, squat, and go. I'm not familiar with domestic car suspension design but I do know the solid rear axle on the muscle cars make it simple for them to launch. On the Z, the multi-link suspension creates negative camber upon load, reducing the amount of rubber in contact with the road, reducing traction. So the Z not only has trouble with weight transfer, it can't put a good patch of rubber on the ground.
All that may very well be true, but it's still relatively easier for RWD to make traction than it does for a daily driver max. He may have had tech difficulties then again he may not have. We'll never know unless I run into him and run him again. As stated before, my only point about all this was that I find it hard to believe that STOCK 300ZX TT run in the 12-13 sec range. Which in a way follows your example of the 300Z being more difficult to launch. BTW, last night I lost the "battle of the imports" to a modded 280Z turbo that ran 12.5 with a 1.9 60' time, so some Nissans with independent rear suspensions CAN be launched hard. He smoked me to prove it.
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