Elevation Corrections?
Elevation Corrections?
Does anyone know of a formula, website, physics professor, ect. that can give a rough idea of corrected times? In Salt Lake, the track is 4225 ft., giving me a slow time (16.15 @ 86.78). I'd be interested in seeing how that stacks up with all the times at 1000 ft. or less.
Re: Elevation Corrections?
Originally posted by Ute
Does anyone know of a formula, website, physics professor, ect. that can give a rough idea of corrected times? In Salt Lake, the track is 4225 ft., giving me a slow time (16.15 @ 86.78). I'd be interested in seeing how that stacks up with all the times at 1000 ft. or less.
Does anyone know of a formula, website, physics professor, ect. that can give a rough idea of corrected times? In Salt Lake, the track is 4225 ft., giving me a slow time (16.15 @ 86.78). I'd be interested in seeing how that stacks up with all the times at 1000 ft. or less.
Go down to the bottom of the page and click on the link "NHRA_Correction_Factors". That will give you a sheet of numbers to multiply your ET and mph in order to correct them to sea level.
It says you should be running a 15.31 @ 91.54 mph at sea level. And a rule of thumb is for every 500 feet high, you lose a tenth.
I know when I ran my car in Vegas (2100'), I ran a 16.13. When I ran my car in NC (47'), I ran a 15.73. So, that rule of thumb is pretty accurate on my part.
I live in Utah too and having a SC here makes such a huge difference. With other cars hampered by the lack of air you can compensate and compete well. I'm selling my max, but I'll miss it. Sure wish i could get my hands on a turbo kit and compare it with a SC.
OK elivation adjustments are for *****'s
I get low 13's in high altitude and i dont adjust my time, because thats my time i know it and you cant change your time just because the air is thinner.... or at leats you shouldnt. why try to adjust your times unless you feel bad about your 17 sec in Washington state.
i ran a 13.6 in montanna. but i live in chicago. im not going ta adjust that time because i dont live at sea level.
later
I get low 13's in high altitude and i dont adjust my time, because thats my time i know it and you cant change your time just because the air is thinner.... or at leats you shouldnt. why try to adjust your times unless you feel bad about your 17 sec in Washington state.
i ran a 13.6 in montanna. but i live in chicago. im not going ta adjust that time because i dont live at sea level.
later
Originally posted by NE1 4 69
OK elivation adjustments are for *****'s
I get low 13's in high altitude and i dont adjust my time, because thats my time i know it and you cant change your time just because the air is thinner.... or at leats you shouldnt. why try to adjust your times unless you feel bad about your 17 sec in Washington state.
i ran a 13.6 in montanna. but i live in chicago. im not going ta adjust that time because i dont live at sea level.
later
OK elivation adjustments are for *****'s
I get low 13's in high altitude and i dont adjust my time, because thats my time i know it and you cant change your time just because the air is thinner.... or at leats you shouldnt. why try to adjust your times unless you feel bad about your 17 sec in Washington state.
i ran a 13.6 in montanna. but i live in chicago. im not going ta adjust that time because i dont live at sea level.
later
Elevation corrections aren't an illusion. It is a proven fact that the same vehicle will run quicker at lower elevation. The air is thicker. While the effect is not as pronounced in forced induction vehicles, for naturally aspriated it can make a large difference. Why do you think air intakes and filters are such a popular and effective upgrade? More air.
yeah ok
I UNDERSTAND TEH CONCEPT OF ADJUSTING YOUR TIMES FOR ALTITUDE....
but why would you do that its not your time IF and ONLY IF you ran at that altitude would you run that time... IM just adding that the time you got is good enough for where you are... why adjust your time at all. if you didnt run it? why not tow your car or drive your car to a lower altitude and run it.... then you will have a time froma lower altitude. but then when you get back home your like "yup i ran a 14.2" but in actuality your runnin 15.0 at home so this guy that you pull up to in your PHAT MAXIMA (hes in his prelude) wants ta race ya he knows ya said ya pulled a 14.2 but really your runnin a 15.0.... why screw around with you times... a time is a time and its the time that you got at that perticular track...
oh and BTW, street cars dont run consistant times all the time. ive run low 13's one day (with the same bolt ons no changes to anything) and the very next day runnin high 13's with about the same react. times and 60' but the car just didnt want to run right that day...
but why would you do that its not your time IF and ONLY IF you ran at that altitude would you run that time... IM just adding that the time you got is good enough for where you are... why adjust your time at all. if you didnt run it? why not tow your car or drive your car to a lower altitude and run it.... then you will have a time froma lower altitude. but then when you get back home your like "yup i ran a 14.2" but in actuality your runnin 15.0 at home so this guy that you pull up to in your PHAT MAXIMA (hes in his prelude) wants ta race ya he knows ya said ya pulled a 14.2 but really your runnin a 15.0.... why screw around with you times... a time is a time and its the time that you got at that perticular track...
oh and BTW, street cars dont run consistant times all the time. ive run low 13's one day (with the same bolt ons no changes to anything) and the very next day runnin high 13's with about the same react. times and 60' but the car just didnt want to run right that day...
Re: yeah ok
Originally posted by NE1 4 69
I UNDERSTAND TEH CONCEPT OF ADJUSTING YOUR TIMES FOR ALTITUDE....
but why would you do that its not your time IF and ONLY IF you ran at that altitude would you run that time... IM just adding that the time you got is good enough for where you are... why adjust your time at all. if you didnt run it? why not tow your car or drive your car to a lower altitude and run it.... then you will have a time froma lower altitude. but then when you get back home your like "yup i ran a 14.2" but in actuality your runnin 15.0 at home so this guy that you pull up to in your PHAT MAXIMA (hes in his prelude) wants ta race ya he knows ya said ya pulled a 14.2 but really your runnin a 15.0.... why screw around with you times... a time is a time and its the time that you got at that perticular track...
oh and BTW, street cars dont run consistant times all the time. ive run low 13's one day (with the same bolt ons no changes to anything) and the very next day runnin high 13's with about the same react. times and 60' but the car just didnt want to run right that day...
I UNDERSTAND TEH CONCEPT OF ADJUSTING YOUR TIMES FOR ALTITUDE....
but why would you do that its not your time IF and ONLY IF you ran at that altitude would you run that time... IM just adding that the time you got is good enough for where you are... why adjust your time at all. if you didnt run it? why not tow your car or drive your car to a lower altitude and run it.... then you will have a time froma lower altitude. but then when you get back home your like "yup i ran a 14.2" but in actuality your runnin 15.0 at home so this guy that you pull up to in your PHAT MAXIMA (hes in his prelude) wants ta race ya he knows ya said ya pulled a 14.2 but really your runnin a 15.0.... why screw around with you times... a time is a time and its the time that you got at that perticular track...
oh and BTW, street cars dont run consistant times all the time. ive run low 13's one day (with the same bolt ons no changes to anything) and the very next day runnin high 13's with about the same react. times and 60' but the car just didnt want to run right that day...
When I had my 94 Z28 auto (I/E/y-pipe/chip/light wheels) I was running consistent 13.8s@101mph with 2.1 60 foots at my track in KC in 50 degree weather. I went down to Houston for an F-Body event and was running consistent 13.4s@104mph with 1.9 60 foots. The difference? Sea level, crisp air (fall weather), good baro pressure, and a track that was like glue.
Timeslips are just like dynos. You can't compare what a Max in Ohio runs on the track/dyno to what another Max runs in Maryland. If you want a true comparison, both cars need to be run on the same track. And yes, some tracks are significantly quicker than others.
There is a reason why the NHRA does have correction factors. It's so guys that run on tracks throughout the country can adjust their ETs to a set formula to compare their results as a whole. There are also correction factors for humidity and temp.
Dave
Which brings us full circle
I agree with the fact that you can't claim a lower time in a higher elevation, based on a correction. (Using the example of lining up against a Prelude at a light). The reason I started the thread however, was to try and find a way to compare my car with the many others on the website, as this is such a large gathering of maximas. For me to honestly compare where my car is at, I needed a correction formula. Now I know how my SLC max rates with those in CA or NY. I guess we all agree on the same facts.
Which brings me to another point - I do think elevations need to be posted in the 1/4 mile times section
Which brings me to another point - I do think elevations need to be posted in the 1/4 mile times section
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