mazda millennia wheels
02-28-2004, 11:29 PM
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mazda millennia wheels
well i tried posting this over in tires and wheels, but no one cared. maybe someone will respond here.
i always hear about people throwing the millenia wheels on their max for drag racing, but is it better to just get two for the front, and leave the heavier ones on the back, or put them on all four corners? also, does anyone know about what years of millenia or what trim i need to buy the rims off of? is the offset the same?
i always hear about people throwing the millenia wheels on their max for drag racing, but is it better to just get two for the front, and leave the heavier ones on the back, or put them on all four corners? also, does anyone know about what years of millenia or what trim i need to buy the rims off of? is the offset the same?
02-29-2004, 01:49 AM
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It is better to put all 4 millenia rims on the car when aiming for the best e/t. I am planning to buy a set of 2 however and a set of slicks for this summer as opposed to 4 because it is cheaper.
02-29-2004, 10:40 AM
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There is a 9-spoke design and a 12-spoke design. The 9's are about a half pound lighter. I think mine came of a '96 Millenia. They came in either chrome or gray finish.
As far as changing all 4 wheels when racing, the gains are minimal if any. There was a thread in the racing forum where someone tried their regular heavy rear wheels against a set of lightweight rear wheels and the times were the same.
As far as changing all 4 wheels when racing, the gains are minimal if any. There was a thread in the racing forum where someone tried their regular heavy rear wheels against a set of lightweight rear wheels and the times were the same.
02-29-2004, 10:53 AM
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Go ricer style, just the fronts. The back doesnt really matter since their rotational mass doesnt really affect launch. However if you really want to be picky and lose all the weight you can, go with all 4. The reason you want them in the front is because they're light and its easier to put the power down since the transmission doesnt have to work extra hard to spin around a heavy wheel.
02-29-2004, 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by kingrukus
Rotational mass is rotational mass. Just because the transmission is linked to the front wheels does not mean that the rear wheels will not make a difference.
No, that's incorrect. The engine only has to turn the front wheels. The back wheels get "dragged along" just like any other dead weight. The only wheels that are essential are the wheels which the engine actually has to turn. You can see the explanation for this in the thread in the 1/4 mile forum that I30tMikeD posted. The benefits of lighter rear wheels have been tested by a few different people, and the conclusion was the same each time. It's not worth it to buy super light wheels for the back.
The wheels you want are the 9 spoke millenia wheels and I think they are only available on 95-96 millenias.
02-29-2004, 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by geo1317
where? hub?
Whatever that metal cap is called on the end of the hub. The wheel won't fit over it. I may not be "major" dremel work, but it would need to have some material taken off.
02-29-2004, 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by I30tMikeD
Whatever that metal cap is called on the end of the hub. The wheel won't fit over it. I may not be "major" dremel work, but it would need to have some material taken off.
02-29-2004, 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by I30tMikeD
The millenia wheels wont fit on the rear anyhow. Some major dremel work would have to be done.
so do they fit the front just fine?
and that is the only problem, is the hub bore size? no problems with calipers or anything else? also, does anyone know what size tire they take? or does it not matter at all, since it is on my car and not a millennia?
02-29-2004, 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Guttermouf5150
so do they fit the front just fine?
and that is the only problem, is the hub bore size? no problems with calipers or anything else? also, does anyone know what size tire they take? or does it not matter at all, since it is on my car and not a millennia?
and that is the only problem, is the hub bore size? no problems with calipers or anything else? also, does anyone know what size tire they take? or does it not matter at all, since it is on my car and not a millennia?
They will clear stock calipers just barely. The only fitment problem is on the rears and the rears won't help any. I did back to back track test with multiple runs and saw no difference at all with using much, much lighter rear wheels/tires. Just go with the fronts.
the rims are only 6" wide which limits the tire width you can use. I have really crappy, used, all season 205/65 tires and am able to pull 2.1x 60'. I really believe that unless your putting down ton's of power, street tires are street tires and launch technique is the most important thing......not the tires. I hear guys always saying once they get new tires they will be able to pull better 60'. IMO not unless they get slicks.
02-29-2004, 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by I30tMikeD
all season 205/65 tires and am able to pull 2.1x 60'. I really believe that unless your putting down ton's of power, street tires are street tires and launch technique is the most important thing......not the tires. I hear guys always saying once they get new tires they will be able to pull better 60'. IMO not unless they get slicks.
02-29-2004, 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by I30tMikeD
They will clear stock calipers just barely. The only fitment problem is on the rears and the rears won't help any. I did back to back track test with multiple runs and saw no difference at all with using much, much lighter rear wheels/tires. Just go with the fronts.
the rims are only 6" wide which limits the tire width you can use. I have really crappy, used, all season 205/65 tires and am able to pull 2.1x 60'. I really believe that unless your putting down ton's of power, street tires are street tires and launch technique is the most important thing......not the tires. I hear guys always saying once they get new tires they will be able to pull better 60'. IMO not unless they get slicks.
the rims are only 6" wide which limits the tire width you can use. I have really crappy, used, all season 205/65 tires and am able to pull 2.1x 60'. I really believe that unless your putting down ton's of power, street tires are street tires and launch technique is the most important thing......not the tires. I hear guys always saying once they get new tires they will be able to pull better 60'. IMO not unless they get slicks.
well i am buying four wheels anyways, so i might as well put them all on, if i can. so could i put slicks on these rims? you mentioned 205/65's. so the stock tire size for maxima fits these rims?
03-01-2004, 05:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Guttermouf5150
well i am buying four wheels anyways, so i might as well put them all on, if i can. so could i put slicks on these rims? you mentioned 205/65's. so the stock tire size for maxima fits these rims?
03-01-2004, 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by I30tMikeD
Does not make sense to me. You could sell the other two on the org and get most your money back and then you won't have to worry about two tires. It really won't do you any good to switch out the rears.
ok i see what you are saying, but doesn't it really depend on what you have on the rears now? i mean what is ok to run, my stock steelies, or my heavy @ss aftermarket rims?
03-01-2004, 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by geo1317
yeah thats what i was referring to, then the mazda wheels have a smaller centerbore. i wonder what it is, i think ours is 66.1mm and if the mazda is with in a few mm then it wont be that much work.
http://www.discountedwheelwarehouse...._Reference.cfm
Something doesn't jive. And I think I remember Mike not getting the rears to fit that day...
03-02-2004, 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Guttermouf5150
ok i see what you are saying, but doesn't it really depend on what you have on the rears now? i mean what is ok to run, my stock steelies, or my heavy @ss aftermarket rims?
It won't matter. My 17's are like boat anchors...52lbs tire/wheel combo. I will repeat my self again, I saw no gain at all what so ever when reducing rear wheel/tire weight by more tham 40lbs! Multiple runs done back to back on the same day. On the other hand I see two tenths or more by reducing 40lbs from the front. Again, same day, multiple runs done back to back.
03-02-2004, 06:19 PM
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You don't need anything if you're only doing the fronts. If you want to do the rears I think all you'd have to do is get a spacer, just like everyone who is running Mazda RX-7 wheels. But, again there is no reason to run rear Millenia wheels so all you gotta do is buy a pair of Millenia wheels and slap some slicks/DR's on'em and you're good to go.
03-02-2004, 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by BSwithTF
You don't need anything if you're only doing the fronts. If you want to do the rears I think all you'd have to do is get a spacer, just like everyone who is running Mazda RX-7 wheels. But, again there is no reason to run rear Millenia wheels so all you gotta do is buy a pair of Millenia wheels and slap some slicks/DR's on'em and you're good to go.
well i just don't understand how they can be run without a hub ring if the center bore diameter is different, but if you say so. i guess i'll find out.
so you mention slicks or Drag radials. would it be worth it to go to the slicks? i'm not really sure what size slicks to get, i cant find any on the internet anywhere. does anyone know where or what size? should i stay away from used ones?
03-03-2004, 04:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Guttermouf5150
well i just don't understand how they can be run without a hub ring if the center bore diameter is different, but if you say so. i guess i'll find out.
so you mention slicks or Drag radials. would it be worth it to go to the slicks? i'm not really sure what size slicks to get, i cant find any on the internet anywhere. does anyone know where or what size? should i stay away from used ones?
so you mention slicks or Drag radials. would it be worth it to go to the slicks? i'm not really sure what size slicks to get, i cant find any on the internet anywhere. does anyone know where or what size? should i stay away from used ones?
205/50R15 or 225/50R15 should fit on the rims, but which ones are better i dont know, can someone suggest which size would work better?
03-03-2004, 05:31 AM
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Originally Posted by geo1317
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....FA+Drag+Radial
205/50R15 or 225/50R15 should fit on the rims, but which ones are better i dont know, can someone suggest which size would work better?
205/50R15 or 225/50R15 should fit on the rims, but which ones are better i dont know, can someone suggest which size would work better?
I dont' think you can fit the 225's on a 6" rim...go with the 205's and it will give you a bit better gearing.
You don't really need hubcentric rings, it's nice to have but you don't need them.
03-03-2004, 06:01 AM
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Originally Posted by I30tMikeD
I dont' think you can fit the 225's on a 6" rim...go with the 205's and it will give you a bit better gearing.
You don't really need hubcentric rings, it's nice to have but you don't need them.
You don't really need hubcentric rings, it's nice to have but you don't need them.
03-03-2004, 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by I30tMikeD
I dont' think you can fit the 225's on a 6" rim...go with the 205's and it will give you a bit better gearing.
You don't really need hubcentric rings, it's nice to have but you don't need them.
You don't really need hubcentric rings, it's nice to have but you don't need them.
but shouldn't it be 65 on the sidewall? not 50? or i guess it really doesn't matter because i don't care if the speedo is off for the drags
03-03-2004, 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by geo1317
according to tire rack the 225 can fit on a 6" wide rim, but you are right the 205 would give better gearing.
what does the width of the tire have to do with gearing???
03-03-2004, 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Guttermouf5150
what does the width of the tire have to do with gearing???
03-07-2004, 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Guttermouf5150
yeah, i was wondering the same thing myself
I am using street tires. 205/65
Neal had slicks mounted on his...which I just bought from him. They fit the millenia wheels but the diameter is not ideal. They are 26" slicks, which is a bit larger then what I would want, but it's hard to find anything at all that will fit so it's the best I can do.