h2kFrosty

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My friend Bobby (h2kPinkPanthr) ran an absolutely amazing time at the track this Sunday... He ran a 14.788 @ 91.74 BONE STOCK, he has ABSOLUTELY no mod's and I am a witness to it... He nailed the launch, R/T was good, shifted super fast... he ran a perfect run.

Ceasars Chariot

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WTF ? i wonder if this is the stock 4th gen 5 speed record and it was 80 degrees out there i believe ?

Dam fine run !

95maxrider

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thats crazy man....makes me feel so inferior. what track was this?

h2kFrosty

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No Problem Raceway in Belle Rose, LA
www.noproblemraceway.com

Iilac

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He's one of the fastest stock, that's for sure. I believe Veetec ran a 14.7 stock and nealoc187 ran a 14.8 stock. Good job....

I30tMikeD

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Wow. I can be done. I think that makes it the second fastest stock 4th gen ever.

VeeTec

Congrats on an awesome time!

This was my stock slip.

MrEous

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So was there any prepping at all? He has the same oem tires? Same oem suspension?

I realize he is stock as far as 'intake/exhaust' are concerned.

Jason R

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very jealous. nice times.

hacim105

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This guy is going to be another nealoc if he mods his car. Running 13's N/A, although I'm pretty sure ceasar's chariot could be running 13's if he either put in a MEVI or put on slicks.

Ceasars Chariot

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im getting close to 13's I have really slowed down on the mods but starting to pick things up again. for bobby to nail a 14.7 tales me his car is much stronger than the chariot. i never saw those kinda times even with a ypipe ???? i wonder if he will trade cars and let me keep my mods ?

MaxedOutOfCash

factory freak??? what year is it?

Dave B

That's pretty impressive

It just shows you how important a good launch is because his MPH is pretty normal for stock (not even 92mph) which suggests he's not making anymore than around 165whp/175wtq.


Dave

MrEous

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Just a question...why did the Left lane win with a 15.8 compared to your friend's 14.7?
I couldn't figure it out by looking at the slip.

Jeff92se

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Since there is a DIAL in time, I assume it's a bracket race. Looks like the 14.7 time "broke out" of his 15.00 dial in time. My guess anyway.

Nealoc187

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Thats a pretty sick time and 60' as well.

vqman

very good run...

but were the tires REALLY the exact ones that came with the car? To get that kind of traction off the line is SICK, my best 1/4 mile is a 14.802, but my main problem is my 60ft times...the Nissan supplied Potenza's can't get any traction off the line...

Hell, it was like 50 degrees out the day I ran a 14.802..

AND I HAVE A FRICKIN 3.5L!!!

good run!

-vq

SteVTEC

wow! kick azz!

I30tMikeD

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Since the car is at least 5yrs old it is almost impossible it would have the exact same tires that came on the car.

tires are not what pull good 60 foots (excluding slicks tha is). A good driver is what pulls good 60 foots. If your running street tires it really does not matter much what kind or size they are. I have pulled a 2.14 60' on junky, salvaged, off brand, all season 205/65 15.

Ceasars Chariot

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he has toyo proxes t1-s , im almost positive

h2kFrosty

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Also keep in mind, he ran that time in 75-80 degree humid assed Louisiana weather. His car has Toyo Proxes tires on it... 215/55/16 on the stock 5 spoke's that came on the 98 SE's... Here are some pics, if I had some of the engine bay I would upload em, but I can take some next time he's over at my place. He got an absolutely awesome deal on the car, he just got it a couple months ago... 98 SE 5spd, fully loaded, southern car its whole life, driven by a woman, very well maintained, engine bay was spotless when he bought it, drove like new, the interior was well kept up, for a car with 99,000 miles it's pristine... He got it for $7500.

Notice that his car is also stock height in the bottom pic next to my car my 5th gen is obviously alot lower... I have Tein S-Tech springs.

Pics:

h2kFrosty

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A side shot of both of our cars... and it was VERY humid outside which is why it looks like there's a load of dog crap on my hood... And no I didn't go mud riding, I went down a muddy driveway

h2kFrosty

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VeeTec, I've always been a little sceptical of your slip, but now having witnessed for my own eyes a stock 4th gen run that time, I'm not anymore... And my god man... you almost pulled a 2.0 60' on street tires!!!!!!!!!!!!!

vqman

Now imagine if you had some street tires that actualy had some traction..don't you think it has something to do with the tires?

Sure, the driver has a lot to do with it, but you can't completely discount quality tires.

I bet that my times get better when I finally replace my Potenzas..In fact, I may wait on my CAI and Headers to see if just the tires decrease my times.

-vq

Ferbs02SMMax

I dont doubt this happened exactly as written, just check out the 1/8th mile and 1/4 trap. I spoke to Mike the other day, and he sort of educated me on 3.0L top end stock and with mods, so 18 mph seems right.

That 60' is insane though, I pray to hook up one time and get a 2.15 60'. The last few times I've been to the track I've run 14.90s with 2.35 60's.

The weather thing is peculiar too. You would think with as warm and muggy as it was, that he wouldnt be trapping close to 92mph, but I ran 94mph trap in 80 degrees too, so I know it isn't impossible to get a good trap in warm weather, just count on traps going down as you keep coming around.

What were his other times?

Very quick car, he found a good one!

I30tMikeD

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I have ran with "sticky" street tires.......but I don't pull any better 60'. I have even run both sets on the same day with no difference.

You are fooling yourself if you think spending money on expensive street tires will result in better 60 foots. practice launching will lower your 60 foot Driver has everything to do with it.

Dave B

I'm sure I'll get flamed for this:

Let's keep in mind this is Louisiana which is at/below sea level so elevation is not an issue, the racing was done at No Problem Raceway which Ceasar and Mardigras have both admitted to being a quick track, and the conditions at the track that day were quite good http://www.wunderground.com/history/...LLALMANAC=KBTR. At 1:35pm (his best occured at 1:35) the conditions were 78 degrees, 54% humidity, a nice and high baro pressure of 30.34, and a 10mph+ tail wind. The key focus here is the fairly low humidity and high baro pressure. High baro pressures (30.00+) are great for racing because more air can be crammed into the engine. A tail wind doesn't hurt either.

As for 60 foots, tires, and "good drivers" I think that is true to a point, but we also have to consider track prep. Without a good hooking track, you're going no where. I've been drag racing my Maxima for over 3 years now with over 150 1/4 mile passes at my track and I consider myself a pretty decent driver. I've experimented with launch rpms ranging from 1200rpms to 5000rpms. Out of all my runs, I have one 2.1 60' and it's a 2.199 at that. VQMan runs his 03 6 speed at my track so I can attest to the fact that he has a hard time hooking up. He thought maybe it was him so he had another local Maxima guy run his car and all the other driver could muster was major wheel spin and wheel hop and a 14.9@95mph slip.

I'm really not trying to take anything away from what this guy did in his bonestock 4th gen. I'm just trying to offer some explanation as to why he ran so well. A good track, good driver, and good conditions make all the difference. I'll never buy into the "factory freak" myth when we're talking about Maximas. IMO, the build quality and tolerances are just too tight on these cars to have any notable variance in performance.


Dave

Dave B

I hate to disagree with you, but I think his times will definitely improve once he removes the Potenzas. Those tires are notoriously bad at launching. Everything about those tires (cold, wet, snowy, dry) sucks. If he were to go with the Kumho KH11s I've got on my 17s, I'm pretty sure he'll be able to manage 2.2 60 foots. I do agree that practice is by far the most important part to launching, but decent tires are sure to give you a bit more room to launch harder. At the track I run my 15s with Sumitomo H-rated (not all season tires and I do know my 60 foots are consistently .05-.07 quicker than when I had my Goodyear RSAs on there.

Hopefully VQMan will come back out to KCIR to run because the day he ran his 14.8 the track had just been resurfaced and wasn't hooking for crap. It's quite a bit improved now.

I'm not going back to the track until I have my 225/50R15 BFG DRs. I'm sick of F-ing around with 2.2 60 foots.


Dave

I30tMikeD

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Then what do you make of Neal being 4 tenths and 3mph faster than me?

Ceasars Chariot

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dave i agree with post #27 and in post # 28 about the tires. When I found out about this run over the phone, I thought how did this guy pull a 2.1 ? Then I find out he has toyo proxes t1-s. While im still too inexperienced to really know anything for certain, im leaning towards, some street tires are better than others and good track prep is key.

I visit 3 different dragways around here regularly and 2.1's make up most of my 60 foots at all of them. While my knowledge of other tires are extremely limited. Im a BIG fan of toyo proxes t1-s and for 133 a tire in 16 inch , i think a great investment.

I30tMikeD

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I go by what I see. I think blaming traction on tires is mostly an excuse for bad driving. It just makes people feel better to say "Once I get good street tires....". You would have to see the pair of 205/60 all season, salvaged tires that I pull my best 60' on to understand. You couldn't ask for a worse tire. In the back of my mind I thought that when I put brand new 215/60 RE950's on the stock BBS wheels a few weeks back that I could cut better 60's......nope.

IMO, the most important factor to a good 60' is the track conditions and the driver. I see guys on here all the time, and at the track pulling great 60' times on bad tires.

Then I see Neal out at the track with completely bald Nitto's or Kuhmo's or whatever it is tires he runs. Then come back to the track two weeks later with the same tire, only brand new, and not get out of the hole any better

vqman

I've got about 5000 miles left on my Potenza's...

I guess we'll have to wait and see.

with my stereo mods I think my trap will be lower, but I just want to see if my 60 ft times do come down when the tires are replaced....

Then I'll get my CAI....

-vq

vqman

not sure about this, but I'm guessing maybe your I30 is heavier?

and maybe he's "a better driver"

oh, about the other maxima guy drving my car, the 14.89 he ran was his first time ever driving my car, so quite possibly he could have improved with more chances...

I think I trapped aroun 96 once though...not that that is going to help my 60ft times...

Dave B

Are you talking street tires because I've never heard of Neal going 13.80@102mph on street tires. I thought his best on street tires was a really high 13.9@100mph. His GXE is hauling around about 70lbs less weight (assuming he doesn't have power seats, moonroof, Bose, wing, plus the extra sound deadening the I30 has).


Dave

I30tMikeD

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No, two weeks ago he came down to Byron and ran a 13.84 @101 on street tires and a 13.4x @102 on slicks. So I guess he is more like 3mph faster not 4mph. But he does have a solid .3-.4 on me. His 13.8 on streets was with a 2.20 60' IIRC, which is good but nothing amazing.

We have weighed our cars at the same track on the same night and I was 100lb heavier with me in the car.

It just boggles my mind that he is that much faster than me. Yhea, there is a little weight factor and he is a little bit better driver, but those things don't add up to .4 and 3mph.

Oh, and this was not a comment to your earlier post. I don't think anyone could argue with what you said. It takes many things to happen for a 4th gen to see 14's stock. Great weather, a fast track, and a low 2.1x 60' is the only way for it to happen. But it has happend a few times now. Like I have said before, some of us are just lucky to have a fast track close by. I am sure you would run just as fast or faster than me if you drove up here to Illinois.

I just don't understand why Neal is soo much faster than you, me and others with the same set up.

vqman

About 4th Gen running 14's stock, the reason is because of the 2.1 60ft...
a trap speed of 91mph isn't that great. My best trap was 96mph, but I don't remember my E.T. on that one, probably 15.01...

I was REALLY having trouble with my launch. and I've been driving a stick since '92.

About the weight, I think 100 lbs could make as big of a difference as 0.3 seconds and 3 mph. Try putting 100 lbs worth of sand bags in your trunk on your next run, I bet you lose some serious time. Or put 100 lbs in his car to "even" things out. I bet it makes a difference.

-vq

I30tMikeD

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Of course the 2.1 60' was the main reason, that is what I said.

Driving stick for 50 yrs wont' make a person able to launch a car at the track. It's a whole different thing. The street surface is not like a prepared track surface.

100lbs will not make a .3 difference. I have removed a 100lbs before and not seen near that much of a gain.

happyricefob

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Dave B

So your best on street tires is a 14.19@100mph and his is a 13.84@101mph and you guys basically have the same mods. The 100lbs difference is about .15 and 1mph on a Maxima. I think the power to ground between the two cars is pretty close judging by the traps speeds. All I can figure is he's a little better driver and possibly the added drag of the fluid LSD maybe be slowing you down a little in the topend. Maybe your lightened flywheel is hurting you somewhere. Who knows.

I guess we'll see how the I30 does with slicks and good weather.


Dave

maxima1985

wow.....a stock running high 14's....