Has anybody run low 14's on a 1/4 mile with a 2000/2001 SE? What mods would run low 14's on NA VQ30DE-K with street tires? Thanks, Mario

 

wrong thread buddy....there is a section for 1/4 mile times

 

Sorry, had a feeling that I might get that reply, but I havn't found any helpful information on the 1/8 1/4 mile thread (regarding vq30de-K a33)...

 

Well you should post in there

 

Sorry, could moderator move my post please ? Thanks

 

i'm sure its gonna be pretty tough to get into the low 14s...i've seen high 14s with full bolt ons...and no ECU for the DEK max...only v-afcii...not sure how much hp u can gain with that

 

... low 14s? good luck.

 

weight reduction

that and all bolt ons possible

 

Just to let you see. I'm a 5.5gen auto

 

i think you this should be moved to timeslips forum...

 

your better off to get a F/I for you to get low 14s cause all bolt-ons on a 5th gen just won't do it

 

true, forgot the 3.0 get all the goodies

 

thats the only way a 3.0 will ever get close to 13s while 5.5 only needs full bolt-ons and 13s here we are

 

I think so too....

 

Put most of the quality bolt ons and a decent driver in the car, at a good track with good weather conditions and you could probably pull off some 14.3s. With some slicks you could do even better.

 

nitrous...........

 

^ ^ ^

Lots of nitrous ......

 

Thanks for the reply guys. Not into nitrous at all (personal preference).

I'll just save up for a 3.5 swap instead of purchasing boltons. Not really into having tons of power... Just enought to hang with stock SR20det guys.

 

Werd. stock 5th gens are slow.

even mine is slow...if you can hit 14.5 with a stock 5th gen, i'll give you a dollar.

 

I said the same thing until I took the plunge. When you get the first hit its all over from there......

 

My buddy's stock 5th gen went 14.8 with just an intake, they aren't that slow. Just far more people racing 4th gens so more opportunities to see better times.

 

I have the 4th gen 5 speed with mods listed below and ive only run a 14.5 and that was cookin. Ive never been able to repeat that time. I get 14.7-14.9 on average.

 

14.5 with a 50 shot? maybe youre spinning too much

 

theres a couple hundred easy LB's in every car get at them. and a 3.5 swap for the money is the best mod .

I know i dont have a 5th gen but look at my sig and youll get a idea about the 3.5 and its power

 

I think you need a

 

really, with a good driver and slicks you can pull low 14's consitently, you will obviously need the usual bolt ons but you can get there. if you tuned an emanage (timing, rev limit, 2step, fuel) you could get there easy

 

not that if you have an Auto><
I GOT AN AUTO... ....

 

I have an auto and I ran a 14.5 as my best time, but then again I am a 3.5

 

How much heavier are the 5th over the 4th gens?

 

About 300-400lb +/-

 

no...the 4th gen's are around 3090lbs curb weight 5spd SE...and the 5th gen's 5spd SE's are around 3199lbs...so about 109lbs heavier...don't know about the autos though...

with full bolt-ons and minor weight reduction (about 100lbs or so), you could pull low 14's all day I would think with good weather conditions and a good launch on street tires...you could break into the high 13's on slicks and with emanage ultimate tune, if you manage to hit hp #'s like dandymax on his de-k 4th gen (about 240whp) I could see mid 13's on slicks with a good launch and the two step limiter...any faster than that would require 3.5, FI, or the bottle...or more weight reduction...

if you look in the moderated slip forum section, you will see what people are getting with what mods and what conditions...there are some A33 5spds getting 15.2's bone stock but with horrible 60ft times...2.4-2.5's...

one guy on there has a A33 5spd with a 15.2 5spd and took nothing out...leaving his sub box, spare, amps, etc.

I know that a stock 5spd will put down about 180-185whp stock...and you can get somewhere in the area of 240 with full bolt-ons and emanage ultimate...

simple rule for years have always held that if you can put the power down....every 10hp increase will result in a .1 second reduction in 1/4 times and every 100lbs. off the car will shed .1 seconds as well...of course this rule is never perfect, but seems to be somewhat accurate in most respects....of course if that extra 10hp is not useable or sacrifices needed power somewhere else in the powerband or causes a more difficult launch, then the extra power will only increase your times...

 

links to the timeslips?

 

There is certainly more than 100 lbs of difference between 4th and 5th gens, especially early 4th gens. In fact a bare bones no options 95 5-speed GXE is listed at a curb weight of 2885 lbs dry. Most 95-96s are around 2950-3000 lbs flat. My fully loaded 95 SE 5-speed weighted in at 3010 with electric moonroof and all that crap. 97-99s are more like 3050.

5th gens weight 3200 base curb weight and 3220 for 5.5 gens, both for manuals. My mom drives a fully loaded auto 2003 SE with every single option imaginable and it certainly weights over 3300.

Look at the times that 4.5 gens (3.5 4th gens) are running with no VTCs and stock 3.0 ECUs and you will definately understand that there is a fairly significant weight difference. My previously mentionned 95 SE would trap 104-105 mph all day with a 3.5+full exhaust and very little weight reduction.

 

the weights...I was just going off of edmunds and road and old road and tracks I have laying around....it seems as if the 4th gens were lighter than most magazines and websites have it at...

you can find timeslips along with mod listing and conditions in the moderated slips section of the 1/4 1/8 mile racing forum here...http://forums.maxima.org/forumdisplay.php?f=46

 

Yeah I know its confusing. But rule of thumb, for the same options and trim, a 5th gen is about 200 lbs heavier than a 97-99 and about 250 heavier than a 95-96.

 

well I know my car weighs 3275lbs with me in it...(I'm roughly 180lbs)...so my cars curb weight is about 3100lbs...(minor weight reduction)...

 

I hate to bring up this toolbox loser a$$hat (can you tell I don't like him), but Russ went 14.8 or 14.9 stock back in the day if I recall correctly (this was back before most of you guys were on here). I remember it was a very similar time to what my 96 ran stock (14.87).

As far as the weight of 4th gens is concerned, I'm not sure where the discrepancies in reported weights comes from. I've seen some pretty hefty weights listed for 4th gens even by people on here that have weighed their cars personally. Mine have been weighed on multiple scales at multiple tracks and they've always been consistent on all scales. My 95 GXE has no weight reduction besides a missing grille and some clear coat weighs 2970lbs. That is with no spare or jack, with 1/4 tank of gas.


edit: just looked it up, he went 14.83 @ 94.6 stock. god I'm glad that guy is gone...

 

i've run a 13.9 at 102 with ypipe back exhaust gab and 75 shot untuned on 16" stock wheels with really crappy tires, i cut a 2.4 60ft. i think that since my car is tuned now and i have better tires and suspension on a 75 shot my car could run mid 13's and if i get lucky a low 13. traction powns me. this season i'm putting in an lsd tranny with light weight flywheel better clutch and a 125 shot and looking for 12's hopefully.

on motor my best has been a 15 flat at 95. car wasn't running right at all, the a/f was in the 11's to 10.5 which is insanely rich so i think i can get a 14 no problem now

also i have weighed my car and with me in it full interior and half tank of gas it was 3350 and i weigh a little more than 200lbs.

 

Yep. I was going to bring him up too. Also, I know for a fact that there were two 2000-2001 5MT SEs with y-pipes and intakes that have done 14.3-14.4s@97mph in Florida a few years back. Unfortunately neither of those guys are on the site anymore.

 

yeah, I think we need to keep in mind that a lot of the timeslips on here for the 5th gen's are inaccurate...as when you match them up with dyno slips that they later post on here..., their hp #'s are way low compared to their torque which always means the same thing for 5th gens...the infamous broken VIAS...afflicts about 99% of all 5th gen owners during the course of ownership...however, the worst thing about it is, almost no 5th gen owners you speak too notice their top end is gone...it's such a quiet, no frills manifold switchover, that it's hard to tell without direct comparison or very specific timed runs if your VIAS is broken...the car still pulls pretty good...I know, it happened to me...then I got on the dyno in front of a ton of maxima guys and was embarrassed that I too fell victim...