Thought you guys would find this interesting. If the Legend pulled initially I would understand because it was a 5sp and the Maxima was an Auto. I would have thought the VE's topend would have prevailed. And for the record I am not a troll I have been around in a form or another for 5 years and I have ownws 5 Maximas.



http://www.legend-forum.com/vbulleti...threadid=27599

 

Auto versions are noticably slower stock for stock/mod for mod

 

Unless you have a VB mod, right???

Ohh, and does anyone now the quarter times on a Legend?

 

Aaron runs some pretty good times but w/ or w/o the VB mod, you will only have 3 forward gears vs 5 on the manual.

 

Makes sense. Stupid auto. I'm thinking conversion if my tranny goes out.

 

click me! there's a bunch of different models on there, you choose...

 

auto is a 4spd..

 

Sure but you won't make into overdrive while running the quarter mile or racing since you will be at w.o.t the entire time.

 

with a 5-spd wouldnt you not shift out of 3...or you could possibly shift into 4...i dont see why havin 2 extra gears will make a difference...but in the 5 spd you have control over when shift...i think that would be the factor over the auto..plus autos shift slower than sticks

 

really

 

i was just sayin that becuase someone said that difference is that a 5 spd has 2 extra gears than an auto..which i dont believe that would matter in the quarter mile

 

Ok sorry to jump in here but I dont understand why that makes a difference in 1/4 mile racing...I was always told and understood that the faster you got to high (1:1 final drive) the better.

I was always quicker with 2 forward gears than anything else.

I think what makes the biggest difference is the ability to launch the car at a higher rpm and the 5 speed probably has a lower 1st gear ratio...which can be overcome with more torque than what the max has.

the way to overcome that is to make more torque and get a high stall.

 

Because the 5-sp has better gear ratios. If you theory is true then why don't we just start out in 1:1? Becuase it would take to long to get up to speed. Look at the gear ratios for the 3 non-OD speeds in the auto and the compare them to the 4 non-OD gears in a 5-sp.

Yes, all serious dragracers have autos, BUT then again they have thier choices of final drive, 1st,2nd, 3rd etc..gear ratios also. They aren't stuck w/ what the maker gave them.

 

Yeah thats why I said unless the 5sp. has better gear ratios. I still say if the auto had say 300 ft. lbs. or torque at the wheels it would over come the gearing and would be just as quick or quicker than a 5 speed with the same torque but then again thats not an average max...and we were talking about a stock max

:the following has nothing to do with a maxima but just something to think about:

I have seen a car with a 3.08:1 final drive (an average final drive and stock or higher than stock on a lot of cars) go a couple thenths quicker with a auto than a 5 spd. (he had a 5spd. and replaced it with an auto and stall) This car wasnt a monster by no means but it did have a good bit more torque than a stock max makes.

I also went from a 3spd auto to a 2 speed "glide" in my Nova and it made I think like 3 or 4 thenths difference and yes it had a higher first gear than my 3 speed and my 60ft times went down only slightly. Now one thing is that the glide takes less HP to turn (not a whole lot less) but the fact that I got to high quicker made a big difference.

Anyway I know I try to put my experiences with cars to the imports and it doesnt work the same way (mostly I think because of TQ and HP) but just offering a different opinion.




it is better to go 1:1 though if you had the power. Top fuel dragsters start out 1:1 and there is no shifting. The other funny thing about them is they have a high final drive ratio of around 3.20:1 or so. Things may have changed since I was into it but it used to be that way.

You are talking about a whole lot more torque and hp than a 3rd gen will ever have lol.

 

I think torque makes all the difference. It's why you see 6-speed trannies on S2000s and Celicas. Torque multiplication via gears is key to keeping the lower torque/high reving engines in their powerband

 

Feakin Celicas come in 6-speeds now.

 

The reason serious racers use automatics is because they use ones that can shift much faster than a manual can, that is not the case on your garden-variety auto, if you had a VE auto and a VE five speed, assuming you have a good driver, the manual is going to shift much faster than the auto....so lets count the advantages...

1,gear ratios
2,faster shifts
3,lighter weight

 

You must be talking about every VE Auto except for mine. Cause mine shifts faster than any 5spd. FACT! But the 5spd will always have better gear ratios than my car, so having the VB mod doesn't make me just as fast as a 5spd.

For the record, I only got 1 tenth faster in the 1/4 with my VB mod. But, the VB mod is BY FAR my best and most fun mod.