bonz here again, for kingcarnage
bonz here again, for kingcarnage
ok. now. to give you an idea >>> i have a 90 SE 5spd. i have a Stillen FSTB, ST front/rear sway bars, tokico blue struts, ST lowering springs. i have on the rear (and some will say this is stupid, but it works - believe me) Skyline R32 GTR wheels (8" wide) with BFGoodrich G-Force KDWS; front: R32 GTS-t (6.5" wide) with Michelin Pilots, ie, a staggered rim set - front thinner, rear wider. and, man, it handles fine:
two days ago, i exited one expressway onto an exit ramp which then fed onto another freeway. the curve, the feeder ramp, was about what you experienced - a 90 degree type. and it was tight enough to give considerable driving pleasure to anyone in the mood to push it. so, then, as i was in the mood, going about 65, i took the exit ramp and then sped up to about 70 as i turned the wheel to the right. as i was in the curve, the ramp, i fed in more throttle and took the maxima up to about 85 - *in the curve*. by the time i exited the curve, i was going 90. and the car held firm. the rear did not begin sliding, and the front tires did not slip. the body of the car remained calm with minimal roll. this maneuver is something that someone in a porsche would do (or a daring fool). but this is what suspension and tires can do for you.
btw: i would not recommend doing that maneuver. i knew my car well, had a radar detector, and nobody was around so i took the moment. but it makes a fun example. and good memory.
i also have CAI and i hi-flow exhaust/muffler system.
two days ago, i exited one expressway onto an exit ramp which then fed onto another freeway. the curve, the feeder ramp, was about what you experienced - a 90 degree type. and it was tight enough to give considerable driving pleasure to anyone in the mood to push it. so, then, as i was in the mood, going about 65, i took the exit ramp and then sped up to about 70 as i turned the wheel to the right. as i was in the curve, the ramp, i fed in more throttle and took the maxima up to about 85 - *in the curve*. by the time i exited the curve, i was going 90. and the car held firm. the rear did not begin sliding, and the front tires did not slip. the body of the car remained calm with minimal roll. this maneuver is something that someone in a porsche would do (or a daring fool). but this is what suspension and tires can do for you.
btw: i would not recommend doing that maneuver. i knew my car well, had a radar detector, and nobody was around so i took the moment. but it makes a fun example. and good memory.
i also have CAI and i hi-flow exhaust/muffler system.
Re: bonz here again, for kingcarnage
do you have a digi cam? could you take a pic of the space between your rear suspension / spring and the tire? i ask this just out of curiosity because I have 7" in the rear and it's a pretty close fit. My front right tire rubs the inner wall when fully turned to the left.
i will take some pics for you, lophix. wait a bit. on my car, the 6.5" wide front wheels do not rub in any way. i've never tried 7". if those rub, try using a "205" tire (if you already are, then there is not much you can do). and the offsets for the rears, the 8", are such that the GTR rims and tires do not stick out of the fenders or rub. and those have 225/50/R16's. they fit perfectly.
and, kingcarnage, the porsche with the mid-engine may not handle that. that is possibly a good point. so i would beat him in the curve, but then he'd take me in the straights. unless the extremely fat rear-end with it's wide tires and rims and geometry held it. it seems to me that the porsche would actually take it. but i really have no idea.
and, kingcarnage, the porsche with the mid-engine may not handle that. that is possibly a good point. so i would beat him in the curve, but then he'd take me in the straights. unless the extremely fat rear-end with it's wide tires and rims and geometry held it. it seems to me that the porsche would actually take it. but i really have no idea.
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stagger like that usally meant more under. but the st springs from my last set on an rx 7 the rate was the same all around which causes oversteer given that on most car the front are stiffer than back causing a stock understeer. i bought the spring because it was a good way to bring the car to neutral steer. is the back higher too cause that will bring it to netral more too given our car is very under stock.
rymo926,
the rear end is solid as a rock taking turns with wider rear tires. conversely, the natural oversteer that helps a car around corners is further minimized on the already oversteer-deficient FWD maxima by adding wider rear tires. so, yes, i do have that issue. but it is not as bad as one would think. for me, the pros outweigh the cons >>> because the rear tires are wider, they are, by default, taller. both front and rear tires are "50." but this is relative to width. so the car does sit higher in the rear, ableit slight. so that is in my favor. it somewhat neutralizes the understeer. and the feeling from the rear is super-solid "i ain't sliding nowhere." therefore you can push the car to the limit of pain.
furthermore, the fronts are so agile and light and thin, that they turn *very* easily - far easier than the stock setup ever would. so that is in my favor. the never-to-be-elimnated-no-matter-what understeer of the FWD setup is, in my case, highly negated due to what i have done. the front end is dramatically more nimble-feeling with 205/50/ZR16's. and the lowering springs enable an acceptable fender gap, visually speaking. the only true measure of how it feels is to drive it, and drive it with spirit. the car literally handles *better* at around 85mph than it does at 45 or 55.
i am anxious to post pics for everyone, so i will wash my car and get a disposable camera, as i have not yet joined the human race with digicam (yet). i will post pics of the rear strut clearance and of the car in a beauty pose to show off the wheels.
todamax, i don't know the width of 2K SE's, but they will fit, width and offset. i have seen it done. it is more the tire issue and less the rim issue for stock nissan rim/bolt-pattern fitment (with rare exceptions, all maxima generations with 5-bolt rims have a 114.3mm bolt circle, offsets between 30-40mm - same as skyline, cefiro, I-30, and 240SX/silvia). for example, i could put up to 225's on my 6.5's in the front. the wider rubber will fit on them. but rubbing is another matter i have not dealt with yet with fat *front* rubber. so the 205's in the front are easy to turn and do not rub. i would not go higher than 215, personally.
-bonzelite
the rear end is solid as a rock taking turns with wider rear tires. conversely, the natural oversteer that helps a car around corners is further minimized on the already oversteer-deficient FWD maxima by adding wider rear tires. so, yes, i do have that issue. but it is not as bad as one would think. for me, the pros outweigh the cons >>> because the rear tires are wider, they are, by default, taller. both front and rear tires are "50." but this is relative to width. so the car does sit higher in the rear, ableit slight. so that is in my favor. it somewhat neutralizes the understeer. and the feeling from the rear is super-solid "i ain't sliding nowhere." therefore you can push the car to the limit of pain.
furthermore, the fronts are so agile and light and thin, that they turn *very* easily - far easier than the stock setup ever would. so that is in my favor. the never-to-be-elimnated-no-matter-what understeer of the FWD setup is, in my case, highly negated due to what i have done. the front end is dramatically more nimble-feeling with 205/50/ZR16's. and the lowering springs enable an acceptable fender gap, visually speaking. the only true measure of how it feels is to drive it, and drive it with spirit. the car literally handles *better* at around 85mph than it does at 45 or 55.
i am anxious to post pics for everyone, so i will wash my car and get a disposable camera, as i have not yet joined the human race with digicam (yet). i will post pics of the rear strut clearance and of the car in a beauty pose to show off the wheels.
todamax, i don't know the width of 2K SE's, but they will fit, width and offset. i have seen it done. it is more the tire issue and less the rim issue for stock nissan rim/bolt-pattern fitment (with rare exceptions, all maxima generations with 5-bolt rims have a 114.3mm bolt circle, offsets between 30-40mm - same as skyline, cefiro, I-30, and 240SX/silvia). for example, i could put up to 225's on my 6.5's in the front. the wider rubber will fit on them. but rubbing is another matter i have not dealt with yet with fat *front* rubber. so the 205's in the front are easy to turn and do not rub. i would not go higher than 215, personally.
-bonzelite