Should i put a 10" or a 12" sub in my trunk.... ive heard that 12s can start to sound sloppy. Im thinkign about getting the Alpine MRP-M350 amp, and either the Alpine SWE-1242 12" or the Alpine SWE-1042 10" speaker, any opinions?

 

First off check out the audio section.

Second whoever told you that about the 12's needs to stop buying cheap fleabay subs and dump money on some real subs. I have two Kicker Solobaric S12L5's and they are far from sloppy. Don't go cheap is the basic requirement because if you do then you'll be replacing them again and again.

 

yep, check out the audio forum

but to 12s being 'sloppy' isn't really true anymore. the materials these company use today are much better than the stuff they made back then. the size is really up to you. a 12 will require a larger box than a 10 etc etc.

 

I couldn't ask more from my 2 JL 12's

 

I had 4 12"s, and none of them ever sounded "sloppy".

 

get one alpine R12 and thats all you need. I had two punch P2's and they still couldnt see my old type R.

 

I will see your Type R... with one of my M-Class

 

RL-p > all

 

ehh... we'll see when I get my new stuff in. You've seen the setup that is your doom

 

I have one 12-inch Eclipse Aluminum and I am very happy with it. Prior to that I had a JL 10w3

 

Depends on the type of music you like. If you like more rock, punk, metal, etc. go with 10" If you like rap or anything else with a lot of base, go 12" I personally listen to mostly rap, classic rock, and some modern rock. Like the blues, too. Basically, anything but country. Anyway along with my door speakers and 6x9's my one Infinity 12 gives me all the base I need. Make sure you get a custom made box. There is a specific volume of space that will make each specific sub sound the loudest. Not only that, but it can be built to minimize wasted space.

 

type of music doesn't relate to sub size anymore. a good sub can keep up with the quickest beats in rock, but can still reproduce the thundering lows in rap.

 

i listen to everything from punk to rap... but i think im gonan go with the 12 i like a lot of bass even with punk

 

yep... most of it relies on what brand you get, more than the size.

 

if that's the case, then get a sub that fits your budget and the amount of trunk space that you're willing to give up. it's totally up to you what size sub you want to run. the bigger subs will play a little lower, but not necessarily louder than a smaller sub.

 

im goign with an alpine

 

I have the Infinity Basslink (10") and it sounds great considering it only takes up one foot of cubic space. You can't hear the bass from outside the car, but on the inside it hits pretty damn hard. Like some others have said, if all you listen to is rap, I'd highly consider getting a 12; but, you can get a nice Alpine or Infinity 10" that will sound better and hit harder than a Pioneer 12". Do some research on different wattages for different sizes, etc..., but I'll tell you it's nice having the extra trunk space with a 10".

-Ben

 

I have 2 12" Juggernauts and they sound awesome! there's no such thing as sloppy with them! As for 12" sounding sloppy, you won't really notice any sloppyness with decent 12" unless you go with cheap s#!t.

 

12's are way better than 10's expecially since you got all the room you need for the box, I had 2 15's in the trunk and they sounded good, but they pushed the deck speakers to their end with the pressure they built up in the trunk

 

as far as Pioneer goes i am not the biggest fan but i have 2 12" 2005 Premier DVC Pioneers with a 720 watt Pioneers Premier Amp and i hit 141.5 db's in a local show i did. that not too bad for a set of Pioneers. Not to mention the are rated at 1000 watts and i am under powered and i am only running 8 gauge wire. Unless you are a brand ***** for the price YOU CAN'T BIT**!! Don't get me wrong there not the best but if your looking for a good sound without haveing to take out a loan to do it. Than i would recommend them.

The box makes a HUGE DIFFRENCE. for rock, punk, etc. i would go with a sealed box with rap, hip hop, etc. a ported box. It changes the dynamics of your subs by a HUGE # depending on music.

As far as as wither to go 10"s or 12"s there is not too much difference between the 2 in sound but 12"s would hit better low bass. But like i said the boxs makes it or breaks it!! Thats just my 2 cents

 

Im a big fan of pioneer too but not thier subs (They make the best decks). Ive had two pioneer subs and honestly they were the second worst subs ive ever had, next to lanzar. The new Alpine type R's have a carbon fiber face. So sick.

 

is lanzar

he's right though, I have a pioneer premier deck and it's the best one I have ever had

 

Actually with the right amp and equipment... you can play ANYTHING in a vented box. I was able to play everything from Linkin Park, Chevelle, Lil John, Stabbing Westward, Incubus, DJ Tento, and Ever clear on this box right here.

 

yup, you can buy kickass subs but put them in a bad box they won't perform correctly. good subs are only a part of the equation.

 

It's true you can play anything in a ported box. When push comes to shove it is always a personal opinion on what type of music sounds better in what kind of box. As far as #'s go in a sealed inclosure you do lose somewhere between 4 to 8 db's. Don't sound like much but you can hear the diffrence. If you have a ear for sound, so to speak.

To be absolutly most honest the easiest way to tell you how good it will sound is.... As good as the crappiest component you have. It's no diffrent than having a race car with bad plugs. a small little thing will limit it's potential. So keep that in mind!!

Unless you looking to build a car for db drags who cars what brand it is. Especially if you on a fixed budget. As long as it sound good to you buy it. If your pockets are DEEP ENOUGH find a set or CERWIN VEGA STROKORS. In the right box you'll break your windows. I've seen it done!!

No matter what you do NEVER let the salesman tell you what will be the best for you. Take your time shop around. Bring your own CD so you don't have to listen to the CD they have since the tune all there sh*t for those songs. They have over sized amps with Crossover networks and a constint 14 volt connection. Your car runds at between 10 volts idle to maybe 12 volts while driving. Because trust me it never sounds as good in your ride. Especially since they have the acoustics for the rooms just perfect!

Just keep it in mind if not you'll remeber me when you buy stuff, hook it up and find that it never sounds as good as it did in the show room.

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and last but least a stroker

 

This
http://mobile.jlaudio.com/products_s....php?page_id=4

times 2

for the win

 

don't get me wrong JL's hit hard. REAL dam hard. but they still don't show #'s like this. come on for 1 15" and it handles 10,000 WRMS and has 4 voice coils. JL's don't even show those kinda # and is 1 ohm stable. with a 3" excursion you know it will hit hard!

click here

or here for some stats

not to mentioen there TOP of the line amp is 1 channel x 6000 (9000 max.) WRMS @ 1 ohm or linkable to 1 x 12000 (18000 max.) WRMS @ 2 ohm.

now thats impressive!! #'s don't lie

 

Yeah I have the Infinity Basslink too, and I highly reccommend it as well. It barely takes up any trunk space, and puts out plenty of punch for me.

 

I'm a huge fan of the Basslink. Packs a great punch for the value and size.

I'm about to put one in the Durango





oh and I absolutely refuse to believe 4 12" subs in a ported box can sound anywhere as clean and crisp as 2 10W6V2's in a sealed box, and a 1000/1 doesn't hurt either

 

Please don't post if you don't know wtf you're talking about....

That sub looks like a nice sub but THERE IS NOW WAY IT HANDLES 10,000W RMS OR EVEN 10,000W PEAK (under realistic conditions). Under unrealistic condions, in a testing facility, it MIGHT handle 10,000 watts for a millisecond with a test tone while they pump liquid nitrogen through the magnet. The sub and it's specs (except the power rating) looks ALOT like the eclipse titanium pro 15 (3000 rms, 5000 peak).

Any time you see a company using peak power ratings, the product is probably a pos. In my opinion, all of the stuff you showed is hype, spl, junk. We're talking about which sub "sounds better" (sq, not spl). If that sub is the same as the eclipse sub, it's a probably really nice but, it's still an "spl" woofer.

There's definitely better **** out ther than JL and Ground Zero. Although, I'd rather use JL w6v2 than anything from Ground Zero.

1 ohm "stable" subwoofer??

Who in there right mind would want a 12000 watt amp in a daily driver??

10 volts idle and 12v driving?? Maybe your car.

Ported will sound good (if tuned low), get louder, and typically play lower than sealed. Sealed will always be more accurate.

So far the best sounding setup mentioned is definitely the w6v2 (sealed) and 1000/1. BTW I don't really like jl that much anyway (unbiased opinion).

 

as far as posting things i know nothing about you might want to throw that comment out there to some little 16 year old punk! as mentioned in a earlier post if he is trying to build a nice daily driver sytem than yeah go with one of hundreds of companies out there that you like but my reference to Ground Zero is only a extreame reference to the complete end of the spectrum.. i.e a car set up for DB drags. not your daily driver. odd that you don't say anything about the Cerwin Vega Stroker i mentioned earlier... maybe because you have heard of that company before!?! or maybe you just think you know everything about stereo's? I have been installing stereos for almost 10 years and still don't know everything. I do know that manufatures are required to post actual rating unlike the days of the old where you'd buy a amp that said 500 watts and maybe did 100 watts. as far as the Ground Zero's Yeah they might not be a a True 10,000 watts but if there is 4 voice coils it's for a reason!! Memphis Audio makes a 4 voice coil sub and from what I've read they can handle well beyond what is listed as there rating!!! do some research before you go running your mouth on stuff ytou probly know little of!!! IN MY OPINION!

Did you even follow any of the links? You do realize that is a 15" sub with that large of a magnet!?!

 

man get a 10 inch sub it is a daily driver so who cares. and as for 12's eventually sounding sloppy, any speaker will eventually sound sloppy if you overpower it.

 

Sealed Fitteeeen baby!

 

Oxymoron? hehehhehe

 

lol ........

 

Honestly Loco... you better find something better thant he CV Stroker to drool over. And I hope all those comments were directed at Sqibb. Cause if you were talking to me, you're wasting your time. I've been doing stereo work for almost 8 years now... and my speciality is tuning. I've taken 2 sealed RF punch Zs with 500 watts and managed over 140db on a TL. ON PURE SQ setup.

Our friend Sgibb here is looking for something decent, that will give him some fill, and you're showing him stuff to blow out his windows... you're as bad as a salesman.

 

Very impressive numbers, kcidmil, nice work. This just goes to show you guys, how important tuning is.

 

Got to say i love my alpine type r 12 and i bought it used.......

ya i know

 

Loco was talkin to 505max94se.

 

that magnet size isn't that big...have you seen the Sound Splinter RL-s? And basing a sub strictly by its motor structure is not a good thing...IMO...