3rd Generation Maxima (1989-1994) Learn more about the 3rd Generation Maxima here.

Delayed Shifting

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jun 28, 2006 | 01:16 PM
  #1  
All*Pro's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
iTrader: (12)
 
Joined: Aug 2000
Posts: 730
From: NY
Delayed Shifting

The tranny (92 SE Auto) has a delay in shifting which I notice through the rpm, while in 1st the rpm will go all the way to 4k and unless I let go of the pedal in some case it won't shift into second, it takes a few seconds to shift to second, its as if the car is acting like it wants to be a 5-speed.

I cleaned the throttle body as well as the IAC valve but the problem still persists, something tells me I could have a bad sensor but which one?

I'm trying to avoid taking it to the dealer for a diagnostic.

Any ideas?
Old Jun 28, 2006 | 04:17 PM
  #2  
killerangelz's Avatar
Newbie - Just Registered
 
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 1
your transmission is shot. it will only get worst. Happened to me twice.
130,000 miles and still going
Old Jun 28, 2006 | 04:36 PM
  #3  
PovCityHustla's Avatar
Member
 
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 54
Hey if you wanna try diagnostic your self, craig brace had the steps for it, and they go like this..

1. Start engine and warm it up to normal engine operating temperature.
2. Turn ign switch to "OFF"
3. Set A/T mode switch to "AUTO"
4. Set O/D switch to "ON"
5. Move selector lever to "P" position
6. Turn ign switch "ON" (do not start engine)
7. Power indicator lamp should come on for about 2 seconds
Then:

1. Move selector lever to "D" while depressing brake pedal
2. Turn ign switch "OFF"
3. Set O/D switch to "OFF"
4. Turn ign switch to "ON" (do not start engine)
5. Move selector lever to "2" position
6. Set O/D switch to "ON"
7. Move selector lever to "1"
8. Set O/D switch to "OFF"
9. Depress accelerator pedal fully and release it
10. Check power indicator lamp

Codes:
There should be a longer start signal followed by 10 shorter signals, note which of the 10 short signals is longest
All flickers the same: self-diag OK
1st flicker is longer than others: revolution sensor circuit
2nd flicker is longer: vehicle speed sensor sensor circuit
3rd flicker is longer: throttle position sensor circuit
4th flicker is longer: shift solenoid valve A circuit
5th flicker is longer: shift solenoid valve B circuit
6th flicker is longer: timing solenoid valve circuit for non limited slip tranny(89-94GXE); overrun clutch solenoid valve circuit for limited slip tranny (some, maybe all auto 92-94SE)
7th flicker is longer: torque converter clutch solenoid valve circuit
8th flicker is longer: fluid temperature sensor and A/T control unit power source circuit
9th flicker is longer: engine speed signal circuit
10th flicker is longer: line pressure solenoid valve circuit
lamp does not come on: inhibitor switch, overdrive switch, and throttle position switch circuit

credit goes to craig brace for posting the info up and credit to 'chchmax' on www.maxima.org.nz for posting it up there.

If you live in australia or NZ, goto www.maxima.org.nz for everything maxima and cefiro related in a forum! See you there!
Old Jun 29, 2006 | 04:58 AM
  #4  
All*Pro's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
iTrader: (12)
 
Joined: Aug 2000
Posts: 730
From: NY
thanks
Old Jul 6, 2006 | 09:57 PM
  #5  
u dun 4's Avatar
Member
 
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 44
Good Info. Maxima.org rocks
Old Jul 7, 2006 | 04:25 AM
  #6  
Michael's Avatar
Back in a 3rd Gen.
iTrader: (21)
 
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 4,944
well if it turns out it is your transmission I have one for cheap. Not sure how shipping to NY would go though but could probably use Greyhound unless its too heavy.

Run the diag though...it may not be the trans at all.
Old Jul 7, 2006 | 05:22 AM
  #7  
CaRo's Avatar
Member
 
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 56
From: Argentina
Mine doesn't have the Overdrive button, but says overdrive in the selector. Where is supposed to be this button?
Can I do that diagnosis without doing the o/d thing? I have the RE4FO2A
Old Jul 7, 2006 | 03:24 PM
  #8  
internetautomar's Avatar
mod or sell?
iTrader: (30)
 
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 19,760
From: Skokie (look it up)
the button is on the shifter handle itself.
Old Jul 10, 2006 | 05:48 PM
  #9  
All*Pro's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
iTrader: (12)
 
Joined: Aug 2000
Posts: 730
From: NY
Originally Posted by Michael
well if it turns out it is your transmission I have one for cheap. Not sure how shipping to NY would go though but could probably use Greyhound unless its too heavy.

Run the diag though...it may not be the trans at all.
Thanks Michael I will let you know if I need the trans, I appreciate it.
Old Jul 11, 2006 | 06:00 PM
  #10  
eric93SE's Avatar
Senior Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 1,988
From: NY
Is it reving too high for all gears? if its only first to second then it may just be a bad shift solenoid! You can replace the soleoid pack without dropping the tranny. It sells for ~120$, make sure you get all new o-rings for all the solenoids.
Old Jul 11, 2006 | 06:02 PM
  #11  
eric93SE's Avatar
Senior Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 1,988
From: NY
You can also measure the resistance of all the solenoids and line pressure solenoid, to see if they are in spec.
Old Jul 11, 2006 | 06:15 PM
  #12  
cparker5's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 20
Originally Posted by PovCityHustla
Hey if you wanna try diagnostic your self, craig brace had the steps for it, and they go like this..

1. Start engine and warm it up to normal engine operating temperature.
2. Turn ign switch to "OFF"
3. Set A/T mode switch to "AUTO"
4. Set O/D switch to "ON"
5. Move selector lever to "P" position
6. Turn ign switch "ON" (do not start engine)
7. Power indicator lamp should come on for about 2 seconds
Then:

1. Move selector lever to "D" while depressing brake pedal
2. Turn ign switch "OFF"
3. Set O/D switch to "OFF"
4. Turn ign switch to "ON" (do not start engine)
5. Move selector lever to "2" position
6. Set O/D switch to "ON"
7. Move selector lever to "1"
8. Set O/D switch to "OFF"
9. Depress accelerator pedal fully and release it
10. Check power indicator lamp

Codes:
There should be a longer start signal followed by 10 shorter signals, note which of the 10 short signals is longest
All flickers the same: self-diag OK
1st flicker is longer than others: revolution sensor circuit
2nd flicker is longer: vehicle speed sensor sensor circuit
3rd flicker is longer: throttle position sensor circuit
4th flicker is longer: shift solenoid valve A circuit
5th flicker is longer: shift solenoid valve B circuit
6th flicker is longer: timing solenoid valve circuit for non limited slip tranny(89-94GXE); overrun clutch solenoid valve circuit for limited slip tranny (some, maybe all auto 92-94SE)
7th flicker is longer: torque converter clutch solenoid valve circuit
8th flicker is longer: fluid temperature sensor and A/T control unit power source circuit
9th flicker is longer: engine speed signal circuit
10th flicker is longer: line pressure solenoid valve circuit
lamp does not come on: inhibitor switch, overdrive switch, and throttle position switch circuit

credit goes to craig brace for posting the info up and credit to 'chchmax' on www.maxima.org.nz for posting it up there.

If you live in australia or NZ, goto www.maxima.org.nz for everything maxima and cefiro related in a forum! See you there!
Wow great info here!
Old Jul 11, 2006 | 06:31 PM
  #13  
All*Pro's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
iTrader: (12)
 
Joined: Aug 2000
Posts: 730
From: NY
Originally Posted by eric93SE
Is it reving too high for all gears? if its only first to second then it may just be a bad shift solenoid! You can replace the soleoid pack without dropping the tranny. It sells for ~120$, make sure you get all new o-rings for all the solenoids.
I strongly believe its 1st and 2nd gear, I'll definitley get around to running the self-diagnostic and a few other things this weekend.
Old Jul 12, 2006 | 03:35 AM
  #14  
Pepi's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 16
Wow

yea thank god for craig's info, heh... i also have the same prob with my 89 max se auto... and some times you have to nudge it in D ... it will say its on D but its more like neutral just revs untill you tap it down more.. is that more serious than a solenoid?
Old Jul 12, 2006 | 05:08 AM
  #15  
internetautomar's Avatar
mod or sell?
iTrader: (30)
 
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 19,760
From: Skokie (look it up)
Originally Posted by Pepi
yea thank god for craig's info, heh... i also have the same prob with my 89 max se auto... and some times you have to nudge it in D ... it will say its on D but its more like neutral just revs untill you tap it down more.. is that more serious than a solenoid?
check your shifter bushing. if you have to pull the shifter back to get it to engage drive that is normally the problem
Old Jul 12, 2006 | 09:26 AM
  #16  
Pepi's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 16
alright

ok, now im a total noob on working on my car except i have changed the battery, filled up the empty coolant res, and am about to put one of the spare fuses in the missing rad fan and my auto A/C one also. now about the shifter bushings, do i need to have my car on a lift? or do i just pop the cover on my shifter?

Also about the delayed shifting on the 2nd gear, what is a solenoid? lol can i do that myself or?? if i do the above will that prevent my trany to be perma messed?
Old Jul 12, 2006 | 10:32 AM
  #17  
Michael's Avatar
Back in a 3rd Gen.
iTrader: (21)
 
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 4,944
Originally Posted by Pepi
now about the shifter bushings, do i need to have my car on a lift? or do i just pop the cover on my shifter?

just lay under it (with wheels chocked) and pull the drivers side heat shield that is above the car. you can pull it down enough to reach the shifter bushing.

Do not be surprised if there is no bushing there. All of mine that were bad were so deteriorated that there was no bushing left.
Old Jul 12, 2006 | 11:18 AM
  #18  
internetautomar's Avatar
mod or sell?
iTrader: (30)
 
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 19,760
From: Skokie (look it up)
Originally Posted by Michael
heat shield that is above the car.
he meant to say CAT as in catalytic converter
Old Jul 12, 2006 | 11:24 AM
  #19  
Michael's Avatar
Back in a 3rd Gen.
iTrader: (21)
 
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 4,944
Originally Posted by internetautomar
he meant to say CAT as in catalytic converter
lol yeah I am a horrible typer.
Old Jul 12, 2006 | 11:29 AM
  #20  
internetautomar's Avatar
mod or sell?
iTrader: (30)
 
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 19,760
From: Skokie (look it up)
Originally Posted by Michael
lol yeah I am a horrible typer.
you're definately a better painter than typer
Old Jul 13, 2006 | 10:01 PM
  #21  
evil pete's Avatar
Member
 
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 37
erm, my tranny does the same thing as the topic starter's. But, it doesn't seem to be causing any problems, unless it's cold, and then it shifts a little hard, but no slipping or grinding or anything. It also allows me to go from 20-80 in seconds while getting on the highway if I time it right. So I wouldn't necceseraley(sp?) call it a bad thing....
Old Aug 29, 2006 | 10:41 AM
  #22  
Pepi's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 16
sigh

ok sry to bring baclk old threads but seeing as i cant start a newone, here goes...

ok i have enough $ to buy a used tranny from a junkyard with 200,000 km now is it realy worth it to buy a used one? or should i just save more $ to go to a tranny specialist?.. thing is mr transmission does free multi check etc.. but wants a $450cdn to drop trany and look inside only.. work extra. so my porb is that my tranny died one day right before i left town... i noticed car over heating and almost at hot.. and heard the tranny like bubblimg was so hot.. lol i think i seen alilbit of smoke, anyways the fluid is all black and has liek a metalic smell like grinded steel lol anyways..

the junkyard wants $500cdn for tranny and $250 to install with new filter fluid.. and the thing is ive alrady invested like $3300 new paint/body work under lines misc parts etc.. if the used one will break down in a year its more worth it to get a rebuilt one with extended warrenty? its like a $2000 job last time i checked

car is: 89 Maxima Se auto

another question is if they look in my trany and i pay $450.. could it be just one part they have to fix which they wouldent have to rebuild, or when the tranny is appart they have to get mostly all new parts?
Old Aug 29, 2006 | 10:49 AM
  #23  
89blackse's Avatar
"and falling like a rock"
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 655
Originally Posted by Pepi
ok sry to bring baclk old threads but seeing as i cant start a newone, here goes...

ok i have enough $ to buy a used tranny from a junkyard with 200,000 km now is it realy worth it to buy a used one? or should i just save more $ to go to a tranny specialist?.. thing is mr transmission does free multi check etc.. but wants a $450cdn to drop trany and look inside only.. work extra. so my porb is that my tranny died one day right before i left town... i noticed car over heating and almost at hot.. and heard the tranny like bubblimg was so hot.. lol i think i seen alilbit of smoke, anyways the fluid is all black and has liek a metalic smell like grinded steel lol anyways..

the junkyard wants $500cdn for tranny and $250 to install with new filter fluid.. and the thing is ive alrady invested like $3300 new paint/body work under lines misc parts etc.. if the used one will break down in a year its more worth it to get a rebuilt one with extended warrenty? its like a $2000 job last time i checked

car is: 89 Maxima Se auto

another question is if they look in my trany and i pay $450.. could it be just one part they have to fix which they wouldent have to rebuild, or when the tranny is appart they have to get mostly all new parts?

Your tranny is crap, in fact all VG autos are pure crap. I'd say if you have put this much into your car, got the extra 5 miles and put a 5spd into her. You could buy a running vg manual to do the swap with for what they are asking to maybe fix your auto.
Old Aug 29, 2006 | 10:56 AM
  #24  
Pepi's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 16
ok

ok, so to make my car a 5spd, ive read about the starter issue, and i dont know **** about cars, not sure who would do it for me.. so how much would all the parts cost? what are the parts? and should i buy used parts or new ones? lol im a broke *** so i might have to save a bit more
Old Aug 29, 2006 | 11:07 AM
  #25  
89blackse's Avatar
"and falling like a rock"
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 655
none of your options are cheap at this point. IMO your options are:

1.) you can drive your car to the ground, till the auto wont go into gear ($0)

2.) get another/rebuild auto ($alot - you already priced it)

3.) get a working 5spd maxima ($800 - $2k)

Dont get me wrong I love these cars, but you have to walk away at some point.
Not from maximas all-together but maybe your current one at least.

I would go for 3.) and drive it to the ground and swap over your stuff to it.
Old Sep 16, 2006 | 11:23 PM
  #26  
Misery's Avatar
Newbie - Just Registered
 
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 6
i have similar problems as a few ppl here with my 91 max & auto tranny. i've lately been thinking of just converting it to a 5spd. i know someone who will do it for me, its just a matter of getting my $$ together. what's this about a 'starter issue'??
Old Sep 17, 2006 | 04:46 PM
  #27  
internetautomar's Avatar
mod or sell?
iTrader: (30)
 
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 19,760
From: Skokie (look it up)
no issue. just use the starter that you have, or the one that comes with the tranny
Old Sep 19, 2006 | 12:46 PM
  #28  
Nizzmax's Avatar
Newbie - Just Registered
 
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 13
I have a blown tranny too. Does any one have a good used Auto for sale. Mine is a 1990 Auto tranny.
Old Sep 22, 2006 | 05:42 AM
  #29  
Pepi's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 16
umm

yea i didnt want to start another thread, but i was wondering how long can i drive my car in 2nd gear before the whole trans dies? and can i go like 100kph or can i not go that fast.. sucks cause i work just out of town..
Old Sep 22, 2006 | 05:45 AM
  #30  
crabapple's Avatar
Supporting Maxima.org Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 191
From: Dallas, TX
Question -

Originally Posted by PovCityHustla
Hey if you wanna try diagnostic your self, craig brace had the steps for it, and they go like this..

1. Start engine and warm it up to normal engine operating temperature.
2. Turn ign switch to "OFF"
3. Set A/T mode switch to "AUTO"
4. Set O/D switch to "ON"
5. Move selector lever to "P" position
6. Turn ign switch "ON" (do not start engine)
7. Power indicator lamp.......
Greetings! I come here occassionally when I'm having problems with my '94 GXE but have never posted. The info here is awesome even though I don't do a lot of work on the car myself. This is my first post and is probably a stupid question but where is the "power indicator lamp". I have followed these instructions and have looked in my owner's manual but do not see any lights "blinking" (shorter or longer). Is it on the dash or underneath by the ECU?
Old Sep 22, 2006 | 08:17 AM
  #31  
internetautomar's Avatar
mod or sell?
iTrader: (30)
 
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 19,760
From: Skokie (look it up)
Originally Posted by crabapple
Greetings! I come here occassionally when I'm having problems with my '94 GXE but have never posted. The info here is awesome even though I don't do a lot of work on the car myself. This is my first post and is probably a stupid question but where is the "power indicator lamp". I have followed these instructions and have looked in my owner's manual but do not see any lights "blinking" (shorter or longer). Is it on the dash or underneath by the ECU?
the power indicator lamp is in front of the shifter, by the "coin tray"
next to it is the power/auto/comfort switch
Old Sep 22, 2006 | 10:28 AM
  #32  
crabapple's Avatar
Supporting Maxima.org Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 191
From: Dallas, TX
Great.

Thank you!
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Unclejunebug
5th Generation Maxima (2000-2003)
10
Apr 2, 2016 05:42 AM
hayne
6th Generation Maxima (2004-2008)
2
Oct 5, 2015 11:53 AM
ef9
4th Generation Maxima (1995-1999)
10
Oct 4, 2015 08:43 AM




All times are GMT -7. The time now is 09:46 PM.