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Old Aug 14, 2006 | 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by internetautomar
you have 160 hp

what to you is a reasonable level?
your average ricer civic is running a 1.5 with 102hp
a regular b18b1 swap is 1.8 with 140hp
hp per liter is not a good comparison it's HP per lb that makes the difference.
Yeah I know but I'm not about to strip my precious interior... It has around 50-60 hp/liter right? That's about the same as a viper, a lowly 2 valve per cylinder V10 truck engine, now I'd prefer to have a higher power level than a viper, I mean, having a smaller engine should make a difference.

What mods should I go?
Old Aug 14, 2006 | 02:48 PM
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Oh with a 3 liter putting out 160, that is 53 per liter. Whatever with the hp per liter, I just want more overall output.
Old Aug 14, 2006 | 04:03 PM
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The thread started about VGs.. so keep this thread VG.. (not that I didn't help on the VE tangent.. )

If you want to talk about VEs, then start another thread.
Old Aug 14, 2006 | 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by colinod
Yeah I know but I'm not about to strip my precious interior... It has around 50-60 hp/liter right? That's about the same as a viper, a lowly 2 valve per cylinder V10 truck engine, now I'd prefer to have a higher power level than a viper, I mean, having a smaller engine should make a difference.

What mods should I go?
Dude your talking ricer talk again. STFU get out my thread.

To edumacate you, The VG will get a little power from usual bolt ons. Other then that its a $2000-$6000 buildup depending on how crazy you want to get. That includes building a NA VG (look for the 3.4L 250HP VG thead 3-4 pages back) or turboing it. Read the Fing stickies, ALL, yes ALL the info you need is linked in. Dont find what you want? Reread them and search google. Dont post retarted Q's.

As for me, Looks like either option is killed. I gotta pick up this 73 240Z and work on it. Z>Max Turbo max, later.

~Alex
Old Aug 14, 2006 | 08:32 PM
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power per liter is only talk. what matters is power/weight and acceleration numbers.
so what if the viper "only" has 56hp/liter. it also has EIGHT LITERS of displacement and makes 450hp straight from the factory.
the car weighs the same as a Maxima- about 3400lb, yet has almost three times the HP as the Maxima.
0-60 acceleration is 4.0 sec, compared to the VG Maxima's 8.0 seconds
1/4mile is 12.2s for the viper and 16.3s for the VG Maxima.


those are the numbers you need to look at. screw HP/liter, screw redline. screw final drive ratio. screw 'technology replaces displacement'.
Old Aug 14, 2006 | 10:16 PM
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Plus I will add that if you use the same "technology' on the Viper motor you can get really outrageous. At the Viper/Supra shootout this summer the highest horsepower car was a twin turbo'd Viper, at well over 1300hp.

Like Matt said "screw technology replaces displacement" and use the old cliche'
"there is no replacement for displacement"
Old Aug 15, 2006 | 03:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Matt93SE
power per liter is only talk. what matters is power/weight and acceleration numbers.
so what if the viper "only" has 56hp/liter. it also has EIGHT LITERS of displacement and makes 450hp straight from the factory.
510 hp 8.5 liters 3380lbs

There is no replacement for displacement
Old Aug 15, 2006 | 05:09 AM
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Originally Posted by internetautomar
510 hp 8.5 liters 3380lbs

There is no replacement for displacement
I was quoting specs from the original Viper RT/10.
Old Aug 15, 2006 | 05:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Matt93SE
I was quoting specs from the original Viper RT/10.
figured that, mine are from the current one.
Old Aug 15, 2006 | 09:07 AM
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I coulda swore the new Viper stayed at 8.3 liters
Old Aug 15, 2006 | 09:30 AM
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alex, whatever you do, youll probably continue to want more power. my bet is to sink money into a different car. hehe
Old Aug 15, 2006 | 09:26 PM
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Thats why Im dumping this project and hopefully getting a 240Z.

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Old Aug 16, 2006 | 04:42 AM
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I'm in the same boat...I want MORE POWER!!! I have begun my research which will result in the purchase of a C4 Corvette next spring. I could do it sooner, but I want to hold on to my Max.
Old Aug 16, 2006 | 05:55 AM
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Originally Posted by maxitech
I'm in the same boat...I want MORE POWER!!! I have begun my research which will result in the purchase of a C4 Corvette next spring. I could do it sooner, but I want to hold on to my Max.
I drove past a dealer yesterday with an 84 vette convertible for sale
Old Aug 16, 2006 | 06:21 AM
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OMG guys, Maxima for life!!!!














Or until I can get a nice RWD G35
Old Aug 16, 2006 | 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by internetautomar
I drove past a dealer yesterday with an 84 vette convertible for sale
I know we're getting off topic, but 84 vette=crossfire injection=200hp=teh sucks...85-91=tuned port injection=240hp
Old Aug 16, 2006 | 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by maxitech
I know we're getting off topic, but 84 vette=crossfire injection=200hp=teh sucks...85-91=tuned port injection=240hp
200hp
it was 205 allegedly.
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