akurtzer57

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Ok now being boosted. I want the LSD for one but also the extra strength. Been researching on gear ratios and can't find them. Was wondering if the VE will be better for acceleration or make it slower. I know it won't be much but just curious.

CapedCadaver

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i was pretty sure they were the same ratios. 2nd gen has longer ratios in 4th and 5th as well as a longer final drive.

augiedog964

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I'm not sure, but I read on the 4dsc forum that it made a terrible difference and cruising speed was too high of a rpm. Not sure, hopefully someone with one on their vg (maxitech, goon9) will speak up.

akurtzer57

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ya that lsd will be nice with boost though.

CapedCadaver

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vg manual has high cruising RPM too... 3000 for 75mph my vg auto locked up to produce 60mph at 2200, and 71 at 2500.

Maxpwer

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Keep searching......

akurtzer57

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Thanks to matt.
VE
1 3.285
2 1.850
3 1.272
4 0.954
5 0.795
F 3.823


VG
1 3.285
2 1.850
3 1.206
4 0.911
5 0.740
F 3.429

Nismo87SE

The VG ratios listed are for 2nd gens, the 3rd gens have the same gear ratio but a different final gear at 3.65 vs VE 3.82.

akurtzer57

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well the final will still help a little at least.

Chris Gregg

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Uh, what's a "final drive?" 5 speeds only have 5 gears, final = reverse? I know, I can hear laughing already, but I truly am out to lunch on this one!

Either way, my 2 cents is you wont tell any difference between the tannies in terms of when you shift at what speed. With the VE 5sp, one word, Stability. The VE tranny feels much more stable and planted when pulling out, launching, and on wet surfaces during normal/daily driving. Before turbo, my VG 5sp would spin it's one grippy tire 90% of the time, even when on dry pavement. I don't know how I ever drove my car before without LSD. There would definately be no way I could drive my car with a VG 5sp now that I'm turbo.

BenStoked

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final is equivalent to a rear end ratio on a f/r vehicle. y'know, 3.96, 4.11, etc.

internetautomar

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you have a final gear ratio in the transmission which would be the highest forward gear. you also have a final drive, which is the differentials gear ratio.

CapedCadaver

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would it be possible to switch the VE final drive for a VG final drive without eliminating the VLSD?

vernk

i think it should be possible i think they are about the same tranny, you might be able to swap the final gears out (check to make sure the ring gear has the same bolt pattern)

CapedCadaver

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cool... b/c i have a VLSD 5-spd tranny in my trunk...

vernk

nice if you dig into it could you check on the differential and see what one it is (R 180, R 200) or if someone all ready knows please let me know.

CapedCadaver

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i'll see what i can find when I do. Now, the question is... if I switch the final drive will that mess up my speedo accuracy? or do I just use the VG5 VSS? or put a resistor on the signal to make it compensate or something?

vernk

it shouldn't due to that the speed sensor runs off the plastic gear that is on the differential case, after all the gears, so it goes on how fast the case of the differential, so it should be ok, and don't forget you will need a new ring gear for that if you replace the bearings while your in there

akurtzer57

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whats the difference between the R 180 and R 200?

vernk

ok i just found this

R160 = 160mm or 6.29” in diameter
R180 = 180mm or 7.08” in diameter
R190 = 190mm or 7.48” in diameter
R200 = 200mm or 7.87” in diameter
R230 = 230mm or 9.05” in diameter

other then that I know that the front of my pathfinder is a R180 and the back is a R200 but I haven't been able to find out what my maxima has in it

I was going to look into what could be be used other then a VE tranny when I did my build but had to sell my parts car so I have nothing to put in my car while I build my 2nd gen tranny (love the gearing).

BenStoked

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dunno if it helps, but the ve has 65 teeth on ring, 17 on pinion. lets see if we can compare the teeth to the common sizes.

internetautomar

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Those numbers just indicate the final drive ratio of the differential
65/17=3.8235294117647058823529411764706 sp basically a 3.82:1 final drive ratio.

CapedCadaver

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anyhow... the consensus is that you can swap out any gear or final drive to modify the ratios of the tranny, but as long as the VSS can pick up the teeth on the diff case, all is going to function properly.. I really wish i could get 2nd gen 4th and 5th but i guess that's gonna be rather hard to pull off, given the rarity of 2G 5MTs at junkyards.

Matt93SE

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I have a 2nd gen 5MT sitting in the driveway at home.
the guy told me it was a VE tranny and I paid him before seeing it. when I went to pick it up, it obviously wasn't a VE tranny, and he wouldn't give my money back. I thought it was maybe a 89-91 VG-MT.. Eventually I looked closer into it and found out it was an 87/88 tranny.

soo umm, its yours if you want it. $50 + ship.

vernk

how bad is the input shaft?

CapedCadaver

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well, if vernk buys it instead, all i really need is the parts to swap 4th and 5th gears into my tranny. that way he'll have a nice tranny and i'll have the gearing i need, and i'd just get new synchros for those 2 gears and the others on the VE tranny only have like 130k.

akurtzer57

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so what are you trying to do just swap the LSD into a VG?

CapedCadaver

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i see why you'd think that, but no. I JUST acquired a VE5 tranny (yes i verified that it is really a VE tranny by looking at the splines, but want to swap in the final drive from a 3rd gen VG tranny, and the 4th/5th gears off a 2nd gen tranny, all into the VE casing along with the VLS diff staying put.

vernk

cape if you have the money and everything now hop on it, and it would be a bit easier for you to swap just the differential to the 2nd gen tranny then you would have the high gears all right there. I don't have the money for it right now and still thinking about a VQ since even if i pick this tranny up my other extra VG is still in MN

CapedCadaver

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but will the VLSD fit in a 2nd gen tranny? and does the 2nd gen tranny have the proper mount points for a 3rd gen body?

mainly i wanted to use as much of the VE tranny as possible, since it's got low miles on it. I could just toss the VLSD into something else but a 2nd gen tranny would probably have 250k plus, whereas this one has 130k on it. so that's why i was gonna just take the 2 gears off the shafts, get new synchros for those 2 and then swap ring gears for the VG final gearing (which may or may not be possible, depending if the final gear on the mainshaft is removable or molded on). I'll take a good look at the m/t part of the FSM to see what's removable and what isn't. Main thing is that in the end, I want to turn 60mph at 2100-2200 in 5th, instead of 2400 like I do right now, and to have a bigger step out to 5th from 4th.

Matt93SE

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personally, I think you're trying to reinvent the wheel unnecessarily. IMO, keep the VG-5 and call up Cattman and see if you can find a 4/5gen quaife LSD to go in it. see if you can make that work instead of the crappy VLSD in the VE.

CapedCadaver

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hmm... well do you know the mileage on that 2nd gen tranny, and do you know how many limbs and/or first-borns that quaife would run?

edit: i looked on their site.... they want $1400 for it!

vernk

that is a good point, I will look at my FSM and my chiltons to see what i notice, I have looked at the 3rd gen in my chiltons and the only thing that looked different between the VG5 and the VE5 was the differential and I think the there is someone that has put a 3rd gen tranny into a 2nd gen (think i saw it on the mpg thread) I'm sure it's the same tranny just different gearing. For me it's not so much on how may miles are on it as much as what kind of miles, one with 200k freeway miles is going to be in better shape then 50k street racing miles. I would open up the trannys and use the parts that are in the best shape, and more then likely plan on putting in a IPS bearing (I bet you planned on that anyway)
I do hope that it all works out for you so you can enjoy 2nd gear to 65-70 mph then drop into 5th and get better mpg.

CapedCadaver

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if you can take (or have) pics of the 2nd gen tranny mount boltup positions, that's the main thing i'd want to see.

the reason i was trying to 'reinvent the wheel' was because my labor is free to me.. rather than paying like $1400 for that quaife diff. unless someone else has one for sale somewhere else much much cheaper. but I have a spare 3rdGen VG5 tranny, as well as the VE5 tranny, as well as potentially the 2nd gen tranny, not to mention the tranny that's already on my car. so there'd be no downtime while swapping pieces around.

http://www.cattman.com/prod_traction.html

vernk

I will take some for you the next chance I have.

Matt93SE

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the case of the tranny looks almost identical to a 3gen VG5 tranny. the mileage on the thing is unknown. I picked it up from a guy that bought it to swap an auto and then sold the car. then it sat in his backyard for forever. it's now sitting in my driveway. it's good for nothing but parts.

I had it open a few months ago to steal the reverse pinion gear out of it- that's when I realized it wasn't the same internally as my VE tranny. all appearances showed it to be in decent condition- bearings were bad like any used Maxima 5 spd, but otherwise looked to be okay.
so if you guys want it for parts, come and get it.

CapedCadaver

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how come it's only good for parts tho? couldn't I just put new bearings in and use it? or are there other things missing/broken?

internetautomar

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he said he took the Reverse Pinion Gear out of it.

CapedCadaver

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but then he said it was different so i figured that meant he put it back in. i suppose a 3gen VG idler will do if need be??

if everything ends up in my hands, it seems like it should be possible to drop all of the 2nd gen gearset into the VE case, swap the fresher synchros for 1st and 2nd from the VE (3-5 are different ratios, therefore the synchros won't fit right?), and bolt the 2nd or 3rd gen vg ring gear to the VLSD unit if at all possible, and put it back together with new bearings. Alot of work? yea. But no more than doing a full rebuild of a manual.

internetautomar

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my interpretation was that he used the that gear, but while taking it out realized the trans itself was not a 3rd gen trans.