motor swap???
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motor swap???
okay here goes i have a 4th gen max and was wondering. I copied and pasted the same thread in the 4TH gen section. But since im am thinking of trying to use the 3RD gen power plant.....why not post it in the 3RD gen section also!!
has anyone ever done a swap involving the VE30E and or VG30E engines. Now before any body bashies me about this post, First yes i did not do enough research on my end and therefore have not been in the SEARCH toolbar, for that im sorry! SECOND i love the VQ power plant, but was thinking bout more power gains from top end work and tuning with either the VE30E or VG30E than compared to the VQ30DE.
Now im not bashing any of the motors mentioned above but am very very interested in tryin to find the numbers on each motor in the 4th/A32 chasiss. if it has ever been done before, and if not what the numbers currently are between the motors that have done cams, throttle, ignition, etc. This is only for N/A purposes not trying to do forced induction at the moment.
SO if anyone knows any info please send it this way...and when i get off work the first thing i will be doing is using the search bar.
once again this is only for the motors that have had top end work already done, no bottom end.
I heard a guy talk about it and became very very interested in the whole idea, but was not sure if he swapped the motors into the 4th gen or kept them in the 3RD gen max.
thanks guys/gals
has anyone ever done a swap involving the VE30E and or VG30E engines. Now before any body bashies me about this post, First yes i did not do enough research on my end and therefore have not been in the SEARCH toolbar, for that im sorry! SECOND i love the VQ power plant, but was thinking bout more power gains from top end work and tuning with either the VE30E or VG30E than compared to the VQ30DE.
Now im not bashing any of the motors mentioned above but am very very interested in tryin to find the numbers on each motor in the 4th/A32 chasiss. if it has ever been done before, and if not what the numbers currently are between the motors that have done cams, throttle, ignition, etc. This is only for N/A purposes not trying to do forced induction at the moment.
SO if anyone knows any info please send it this way...and when i get off work the first thing i will be doing is using the search bar.
once again this is only for the motors that have had top end work already done, no bottom end.
I heard a guy talk about it and became very very interested in the whole idea, but was not sure if he swapped the motors into the 4th gen or kept them in the 3RD gen max.
thanks guys/gals
All i want to know is why? DO you not think there is enough support for the VQ? DO you really think that you will gain that much by swapping well enough to justify the swap? If you want a VE get a 3rd gen . IMHO not worth the time nor money to be done to a forth gen. Just mu .02
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a few things come to mind with the idea of this swap
if your going to do it go with a VG (ok VE guys don't take this to personally) the VE is just a Experimental motor kinda like a step towards the VQ and was only used a few years, kinda like testing a new motor before coming out with the final set up. Now the VG you can't beat as far as being a strong block that can be built with out worrying about blowing the block apart, but with cast iron you going to take on a whole bunch of weight. On the other side of that you get simple wiring, and easy to find parts and motors and the options for set ups are endless, VG were used in every thing from 200sx to xterras (VG33 same block bigger bore).
For the most part I would say it's not worth it unless your thinking using a VGDETT which is a lot closer to a VE then a VG then it would just be a matter of finding a intake set up that will fit under the hood and mounts and one of the biggest down falls of the VG and VE, a tranny that will take the power.
if your going to do it go with a VG (ok VE guys don't take this to personally) the VE is just a Experimental motor kinda like a step towards the VQ and was only used a few years, kinda like testing a new motor before coming out with the final set up. Now the VG you can't beat as far as being a strong block that can be built with out worrying about blowing the block apart, but with cast iron you going to take on a whole bunch of weight. On the other side of that you get simple wiring, and easy to find parts and motors and the options for set ups are endless, VG were used in every thing from 200sx to xterras (VG33 same block bigger bore).
For the most part I would say it's not worth it unless your thinking using a VGDETT which is a lot closer to a VE then a VG then it would just be a matter of finding a intake set up that will fit under the hood and mounts and one of the biggest down falls of the VG and VE, a tranny that will take the power.
lol there's plenty... There's a VQ35 that makes ~2100 hp and that same VQ powers a 6.63 second 350Z. Oh yeah the VQ weighs a couple hundred pounds less than an RB.
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Yeah I've heard of some around 1000hp but lets face it. I've heard of KAs reaching 1000hp, I've heard of CAs reaching 1000hp, I've heard of RBs reaching 1000hp, and I've heard of VGs making 1000hp so 1000hp doesn't really impress me as far as Nissans go. Good luck making that on a Honduh!
first off every nissan engine can be modded to a 1000hp the VQ w/2100hp sounds suspect though id like some proof on that one but the VQ is a bigger engine so you may have some luck sticking in 300zx w/turbo (maybe even twin) or a pathfinder w/supercharger either one would make a great high end
the VQ is also a different kind of engine it smoother across the powerband while the VG is better down low the VE is better up high
also the transmission are weak but you can buy a replacement for about 3000 (not 10) that will handle morethan enough torque to keep u busy for awhile and even though "experimental motor" is probably the best description ive ever heard for a VE its way more than just a different head setup
the VQ is also much more complicated engine and no doubt more expensive too repair but you also have to remember that carmakers goals are effiency so making a VG with rods that will last to 700hp or a crankshaft good for over 1000hp isnt cost effective so if its cheaper to make a 200hp car have a bunch of small parts that are only good up too 200hp theyre gonna build it so the newer the engine the more efficient it gets which means weaker parts that you have to replace
long story short the VG IMO would be the cheapest engine to reach 1000hp definetly vg30dett which is so much of a legend they have the engines picture in the ****in encyclopedia next to the word "turbocharger"
the VQ is also a different kind of engine it smoother across the powerband while the VG is better down low the VE is better up high
also the transmission are weak but you can buy a replacement for about 3000 (not 10) that will handle morethan enough torque to keep u busy for awhile and even though "experimental motor" is probably the best description ive ever heard for a VE its way more than just a different head setup
the VQ is also much more complicated engine and no doubt more expensive too repair but you also have to remember that carmakers goals are effiency so making a VG with rods that will last to 700hp or a crankshaft good for over 1000hp isnt cost effective so if its cheaper to make a 200hp car have a bunch of small parts that are only good up too 200hp theyre gonna build it so the newer the engine the more efficient it gets which means weaker parts that you have to replace
long story short the VG IMO would be the cheapest engine to reach 1000hp definetly vg30dett which is so much of a legend they have the engines picture in the ****in encyclopedia next to the word "turbocharger"
yeah............ why wouldnt you just throw in a 3.5??? and converting from obd2 to obd1 or trying to make the obd2 to work on a ve\vg good luck!! seriously it would be a waste of time and money to swap in a vg\ve into a 4th gen. like i said before you should just throw in a vq35 in. or better yet take all that money and get a g or a z
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yea you can get a new weak tranny for 3000 but what I was saying about 10g s to fix the weakness (well it might not cost that much but close enough)
and I think VQ are good for like 400hp stock so it's still a bit over built just not as much as the VG were
and I think VQ are good for like 400hp stock so it's still a bit over built just not as much as the VG were
also what part of the VQ is good stock for 400hp im sure the engine block will be fine but what parts got replaced to make that power
world record for stock sleeve, stock crank VQ at 906whp
the world record for a VG is well into the 1000's
also the VG is a 3.0 the VQ in this project was a 3.5
the world record for a VG is well into the 1000's
also the VG is a 3.0 the VQ in this project was a 3.5
Last edited by sleepyvg30e; Jul 27, 2008 at 11:42 AM.
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Yep as I said wouldn't be surprised if it could make 1000 but I sure don't see it breaking any Nissan records by any significant amount even with .5 liters more displacement than a VG. Maybe with a full liter but then you've got one high displacing V6 that is about a match for an engine 2/3s it's size.
Vq30 is stronger than the vq35....
oh and the VG was put into a sports car with twin turbos.......You dont think Nissan maybe thought to have upgraded the internals to stronger stuff? so that would mean It could handle more power "OEM",
oh and the VG was put into a sports car with twin turbos.......You dont think Nissan maybe thought to have upgraded the internals to stronger stuff? so that would mean It could handle more power "OEM",
It depends which vq you are comparing which vg to..... and since when does 3/3.5 = 2/3 ????
I could go on and on with proof and why and so forth, but it's too funny listening to some of these guys.
