i went to etown friday night cause i just got my newer 91 SE 5SPD wednesday night,got there early so i got 4 runs in. in order 16.8 17.1 16.8 16.7..all between 81-82.5 trap speed,car and driver weight being 3302...now my question is what will it take for me to break 15s...i took it to see what i can pull stock..so i can see how i improve over the winter..i was gettin on the car good and i dont really think there was much room for improvement,maybe a .1 of a second or so...my plans as of right now are, CAI with K&N filter and AEM bypass,warpspeed Ypipe,carsound cat,warpspeed Bpipe with Apex'i N1,ACT clutch,some sort of ECU upgrade OR apex'i S-AFC or jett Vforce,spark plug wires and platinum plugs...someone i talked to told me 15s werent achievable in a VG without a power adder or internal engine work,but i refuse to believe it,and i read the VG was 182 tourque,is that correct?and anyone who has a bolt on modded VG in 15's let me know how you did it

 

very METICULOUS care of the car maintenece wise....my friends '91 VG 5spd was ruinning 15.7s last summer before he sold it..mods were MSD SCI ignition, Cattman Y and exhaust, UDP, and STS, but besides that....there wasn't a week that would go by that this guy wasn't checking for leaks, testing voltages, etc. he was really INTO the car!!! his last run was a 15.64 with his new clutch, unlike the VG autos the VG 5spd can be made out to have some MAJOR BITE without TONS of mods and tuning thrown into it!!

 

I had my friend w/ a 10 second RX-7 PULL me down the track ..... hehe... j/k........
I would think you could break into the high 15's w/ out much.. go CAI, (not just pop), UDP, Y-pipe w/ full exhaust.... a good set of DOT slicks on some old rims (maybe even some 14" rims) should put you in the mid-high 15's...... ECU upgrade and some "race gas" might help too.. but I would think the basic "cheap" bolt on's would get you that quick from the start.......... good luck..

 

ROTFLMAO!!!!

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i know gettin to pulleys on a fwd car can suck..so how much parts and labor would a UDP go for? also my friend has a MSD 6A ignition that i can get from him cheap cause he cant find room under the hood on his car..how effective would that be....and im also thinkin about if i can get deep enough into 15's,running a 40 shot of nitrous to get 14's

 

err just did....... didn't see anything?? oh.. don't you ever use ICQ?? how about AOL?? what the hell are you contact names/numbers!! hehe..

 

don't laugh but can anyone tell me what time i could reach with about all those mods on a 93 auto?

 

umm guesstimating.. UDP (its just a crank pulley) maybe like $300 installed?? I don't even know what they are charging for the UDP.. I think its like $200 from courtesy.. installing it isn't that big of a deal but you'll need shorter belts.. so figure $50 worth of belts and $50 worth of labor.. I dunno though....

MSD ignition..... Nissan (like toyota, honda, GM) has a very good ignition setup from the factory that can handle all but the fatest of fuel curves... you won't see much if any HP gain from something like that. Unless you go heavy w/ the NOS or go Turbo where your needing to feed more fuel/air into the car.... a "better" ignition control box/coil, etc won't do much.. even the stock nissan wires are pretty decent... at least thats my opinion...

14's... to be honest.. w/ the right upgrades and right suspension work (i.e. some nice setup to help you get off the line w/ slicks) 14's shouldn't be a problem.. unless you've got a heavy *** box or something.. you said you ran a 16.7 stock... so I can't see why you shouldn't be able to shave 1.5-2 sec's off w/ out a problem (of course what do I know ....) oh don't forget old drag racers rule of thumb.. 100lbs of weight = + or - .10 of a second in the 1/4...

I still think it'd be cool to see a gutted, rollcaged all motor maxima drag car ..

 

one of the reasons maximas apeal to me so much is because the smooth ride...anyway i can get a good drag set up but car will still feel like im riding in a maxima and not a pure sports car?like any suggested adjustables?

 

if you go with the MSD "mix" it with an Apex S-AFC....when tuned on a dyno you should see some decent gains, nothing spectacular, but similar to a JWT ECU with a little more "adjustibility" in the long run! many people say it is ineffective, but 9 times out of 10 these are people who have attemtped to tune it themselves without any experience!

 

what most serious drag guys use is a coilover.. so unluckily for you no one makes a coilover for the max... now IMHO (and I could just be spewing utter crap here) you could possibly use a cattman front coilover setup for the track...I've often thought the front coilovers would work on the 3rd gen.. its the rear setup that screws you up, and your stock/lowered combo for the street.... of course thats getting a little to "serious" into the drag racing idea... that means you'd be swapping suspension and tires/wheels in the front every time you go to the track...
so if you want to go with a good all around setup you can run street/strip w/ out lots of work... do "simple" things like the full bolt on list.. then look into a set of something like older 14" ranger wheels (yes 5x4.5 bolt pattern.. and a decent offset.. but I wouldn't run it on the street). get you some nice Nitto, BFG, M&H slicks and have those w/ you so you can swap them on at the track.... build your audio system the way Matt93SE is w/ all quick disconnects so you can pull out your box/amp rack easily when you want to go to the track......
Again I'll reiterate I'm not the consumate maxima drag racer... hell I've only run my car a few times at the track.. but going by my general knowledge/experience w/ racing other cars and watching others race their maximas this is what I've deduced...... so good luck...

btw.. I bought the maxima because I got tired of riding to/from work in a car that could almost slide under the back half of a 18wheeler.... I've come to find that I've kept it because
a) it was different.... lets face it.. not many folks mod maximas.
b) I've never had anyone get in a 10-12 yr old honda and go.. wow this is soo nice!
c) I never had any intentions of drag racing my 4 door car.... hehe..

 

im not much for sacraficing good ride...im prob just gonna get lowering springs and strut bar which will do just about as much good for me on the track as eating my wheaties in the morning...we can go on for days as to why we like our 3rd gens...but i wanna be able to take out electronic blue civics with the standard 3 mods(intake,header,exhaust)so im not gonna be goin for the all out racing theme,so all interior stays,suspension stays somewhat smooth....but i could care less about noise(exhaust)oh id also like to take out VE/VQ autos

 

Could you please list your 60ft times and well as 1/8 mile ET/traps? When was the last time you did a tune up and do you run 91 or better octane? I recommend that you get your car dynoed and bump the timing to 19*BTDC. Here is where you can find the nearest dyno shop http://www.dynojet.com/lauto.shtml. Also what did you launch at and what were your shift points? A VG 5spd in good tune at Etown should pull 16.2-16.6s at 82-85mph traps stock.

 

You will need more then a 40 shot of NOS do drop you 1 full second off. I would at least start with a 50 shot once you get into the 15's. I though you were selling your car?

 

get outta here 4th gen boy

 

Doesnt my 92 GXE count?

I have the best of both worlds.

 

forgot about that...ok you can stay sTynki

 

And what of us, DaMax? The poor unlucky bastards with auto VGs? Nothin short of an engine swap, supercharger, and auto>5spd conversion will save us? Anyone know of any auto VGs doin 15s?

 

VG autos are slow, sucks to have one but i do. =(
raced a turbo eclipse, couldnt beat it, but stuck with it.

but they have some potental just how u tune the car and how you take care of it.

 

why would getting a UDP for a FWD car suck? just tell me your theory on this.

pullys only cost 189 about 200 shipped. 30 dollars for all three drive belts. and about 1 hour to 45 mins to install. nothing major.

 

a couple...serious modifications though...

 

He's reffering to installing them. They are much easier on a RWD car since there is usially more room to work with. A FWD car has much less, although the max isn't that bad, which means it could be harder to put on.

 

Skymax did it and I'm hoping for the same or better by next summer....MUHAHAHAHAHAHA.....spare engine arrives Dec. 12, then the fun begins!!!!!! but yeah its much harder for us autos, but Nismo and a few others have really cconvinced me that the secret to breking these VG out is in the heads and cams, and I'm hoping that they are right! we'll see...

 

In my mind there are 3 things holding back the VG auto from running 15's all day long. In addition to the regular I/Y/E/UDP mods these are all you need . My max ran 17.3-17.4s stock and then ran 16.3 @ 82 wiht CAI/UDP/2.5in cat + catback/bumped timing.

1. Is traction, most of us can't get a good launch (see #2).
2. Higher stall convertor is a must, without it getting sub 2.2x 60ft's I don't believe can be done.
3. Is weight and gearing. Now the VGs aren't that heavy but we are about 100-200lbs over the VQ so that would make a 16.1 a 15.9 with no other mods. For the gearing a VG would run best time wiht a 4.0 final vs the 3.62 stock. The only way to get a 4.0 final gear is to run 205/50-15 tires.

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Synki
You will need more then a 40 shot of NOS do drop you 1 full second off. I would at least start with a 50 shot once you get into the 15's. I though you were selling your car? [/QUOTE
i sold my white 90..well actually traded it in for a black 91....
heres the run stats
#1 16.880@81.74 2.587 60ft
#2 17.187@81.49 2.777 60ft
#3 16.870@82.05 2.641 60ft
#4 16.753@@82.10 2.529 60ft
to be perfectly honest i dont wanna hear bull like i should be runnin 16.2@86 out of a car that weighs 3302 with me in it and only has 160 horse to move it and 109,000 miles...i posted somewhere else about the possibilties of transmission or clutch problems and the car is bone stock,not a thing touched except for the fact that i have the heavier 17"s in the rear when i was racin,tell me i should have hit 16.5 and ill say maybe your right..but the fastest i ever seen the car even tested at was 16.3 and im sure that was when the car was tested with perfect compression,my car 109,000 later probably isnt at 100% compressionBTW i was launchin at about 2200-2500 kinda ridin the clutch out a little and was shifting at around 6,000-6,200

 

everyones so quick to post without even reading..WHAT I SAID was i wanna run a 40 shot if im DEEP ENOUGH INTO the 15's say 15.5 or 15.4 i didnt say i wanna run a 15.99 and then think that a 40 shot will get me to 14.99 or better

 

I know the reason why the car is "slow" so to speak. Here is what you need........A better driver . Those 60ft times are horrible . I can tell you with no other mods your car with a better launch/driver would pull 16.2-16.4s just as it is now. Your car must be bogging pretty badly to get those 2.5x+ 60ft times. For example during my first couple of runs in the SE-R whenever I got 2.5x 60fts I'd run 16.4-16.5s. Once I learnt how to properly drive the car and got the 60fts down to 2.28-2.37 range my ET dropped to 15.8-16.0s. If possible can you post your 1/8mile ET/traps. Generally each 1 tenth you drop of your 60ft time is worth 1.5-2 tenths in 1/4 ET. Basically you need alot more practice, don't worry we all need practice because not everyone pulls the times their supposed to during the "newbie" runs. A couple of tips that I have learnt is to drive around the water box (don't drive through it or do a burnout in it at all it kills your traction), let the engine cool about 10-25min between runs, stage shallow, try doing a quick slip start at 3000-3500rpm. When I say quick slip start, don't just dump the clutch or ride it either. Release the clutch quickly and feed the gas as soon as the tires hook.

 

 

read up on what nismo wrote...it's all in the launch...my each tenth you can cut off that 60 ft time the more you will gain in the end...my auto ran a 16.6 with a 2.3 go ft...

 

read up on what nismo wrote...it's all in the launch...my each tenth you can cut off that 60 ft time the more you will gain in the end...my auto ran a 16.6 with a 2.3 60 ft...

 

ok back to the subject at hand,im about to start clearing all my debts up...and i also plan on practicing on my 60ft times
i have a 91 SE 5spd,and i plan on starting to serious with the mods,i wanna get some 15x7(215,225?) street slicks for my 15"s to help the 60ft..CAI,2.5 mandrel Y,carsound cat,2.5 mandrel B with apex'i N1,ACT clutch,UDP,wires and platinum plugs,JWT ecu upgrade,and i posted about maybe turbocharging and after coming to my senses,since ill be in need of a timing change soon,while thats all apart..gettin the heads redone at a machine shop with some mild port work with JWT cams,and better head gaskets,seems realistic to me cause i make good money and dont really have any bills...what kind of time could i expect or horsepower at the crank with all these mods,im thinkin thats gotta be good for at least 190@crank,but im not expert...if with slicks i can get 16.3 that should really get me close to 14's,but who knows,help me out

 

Yeah it is very possible and I have done it! I am even going to try 13's as for right now I am putting a turbo engine in it. I can't wait till I get done because I will spank my friend's camaro ss!

 

i think we had discussion so many times. And i keep replying too all the time. i have a 89 SE (5 SPD) My mods are Stillen Intake, Aerospeed Muffler, and a short shifter. And i do 15.9 all the time. By the way that was before tune up and before cleaning my Fi and filter.

 

dyno sheet?
time slips?

 

look at the sticky thread called 1/4 times, its there.

 

i speak on behalf of all VG drivers when i ask,what do you have to run 14"s in a VG ?

 

It cant be hard at all, if i run upper 15s now with only basic moda, im sure with NOS ill be in the lower 14s maybe high 13s

 

well no offense..but i can sit here and shoot out some numbers for a 15.9 car too. well whatever u think man.

 

you dont belive me that my car did 15.9? u want me to scan it, will that make you happy?

 

Yeah that probably would help.