Does anyone have pictures of their 5-speed 3rd gen from the side on eibachs? I am thinking about picking up some eibachs, but I am only going to do this if it fixes my car, so that it does not look lower in the rear like I feel it does on my ST springs. Also if you have anything adding weight (i.e. subs) can you please list that too. Thanks.

 

stock, my rear end sagged, looked like the trunk was FULL of stuff.
put eibachs on the front only, and it looked better, but still a little lower in the back.
replaced the trailing arms (were stock), with some ebay ones, NOW i need to put the eibachs on the rear, as well....

 

so the new trailing arms push the rear end up? Were the longer or what?

 

all pictures you see of my car are with Eibachs and Tokicos.

Looks good to me and it doesn't seem to sag in the back, even with about a 50 lb sub.

the only pic I have on photobucket right now that shows it from the side (kind of)

 

no, the bushings weren't shot. they were just standard, cheapo ebay trailing arms, with bushings. the bushings are available separately, and not hard to remove, but they are a little more price (but will probably last lots longer.
I got an easy inch to an inch and a half of "lift" back.

they didn't so much "lift" the end up, but rather, put the suspension back in proper alignment. "lift" was a byproduct.

 

Thanks for the pic Calvin.

I was looking though the great 3rd gen picture thread, and most of the pictures are not taken straight on from the side. It's hard to tell if the rear looks lower in a lot of the angled pics. That's why I was asking for side pics.

 

I'll check my bushings. I guess I just need to look at my car but I am not really understanding this right now. In my thinking the height is a function on the spring/strut/wheel/tire. Since all of those items are bolted in a fixed position, I don't really understand how the trailing arms would affect the height.

 

my brother and I were flabbergasted, but it's true. I promise.

 

That's my big issue with alot of the 3rd gen lowering springs. ST's and Eibach's and H&R's have always looked lower in the back to me.

On my blue VE project, I'm actually running Intrax up front and Eibach's on the rear just to get the "look" I want.

 

what difference does it make if its 5 speed for 3rd gen lol, isnt it gonna be the same height regardless.

 

Well the auto weighs more, so, a 5 speed theoretically on Eibach's would be higher in the front, thus possibly making the saggy rear-end look more pronounced

 

Didn't someone posted that the wheel wells (diameter or arc length) of the front an back are different sizes and that's why it looks uneven?

 

^^ yes, but it still looks uneven. I have measured and it is level front to rear. I've thought about getting eibachs for the rear too. I'm on ST and KYB all around.

 

I just want to add, when I walk up behind it, like in my drive way or in a parking lot, it looks like there's a piano in the trunk, lol.

 

What some of the F body guys do is what they call the "heater hose mod" on the rear springs to lower the rear a bit to level out the car because the factory spring isolators on there are quite thick.. So on the maxima maybe you can wrap heater hose in place of our thin isolators to RAISE the car in the rear a tad to level it out


the more i look at old pictures, the more i think my car w/ eibachs/tokicos is a pinch lower in the rear, but then again i have 2 12" subs/boxes in the trunk

 

see what James said
that's right
yes, I understand that. I am doing this for looks.
I'll post some pictures of mine later, but when it's pointed down hill it looks nice and even a low. From the side the rear looks lower...I really don't like that.

I guess I could try some sort of thicker isolater, or I think caped suggested putting some washers under the the rear strut tower studs. I wish I would do cnc work because I could have some spacer plates made for the rear...oh well.

 

well ya'll made me go take a pic of my dirty car .

Here you go.

92VE5, Eibach springs, Tokico struts, 18" wheels, brand new poly bushings in front control arms and rear parallel links, brand new stock rubber bushings in the lateral links (I think that's what the long arms are called...don't want to get my fsm out). So there is no sag at all from any of the bushings.

Here is a shot with me standing (slightly looking down)


and here is a shot of it with me kneeling so its a straight on shot.

 

Wow, great pics Michael.

It's definitely not saggy in the rear. I guess the bushings do make a difference in the height/saggyness.

 

here is how mine sits currently

 

I'm curious, Michael, what is the gap on your back wheel? I can only get one finger on mine.
I'm wondering how much extra height we could get by adding washers or spacers to the strut tower. Also, how much height will we get by installing new bushings?
I know if I remove that 25lb weight in my trunk and take out my full size spare and put a normal one in, it would lift it some.

 

the weight of the 5spd vs auto is about 100lb i think... or about 1/30th the weight of the whole car. the 'wire' diameter of the stock left front spring is actually 0.1mm thicker for the a/t SE's (not on GXE's cuz no manual was offered) at least for the 92-94's... not sure about the pre-VE SE's though, but the 92-94SE all that really matters in your case anyways.

i'm not sure if this would be safe or advisable but would it be possible to add a spacer on top of the rear strut mounts between them and the strut towers? if you have a strut bar it probably wouldn't be possible with the stock strut-mount-stud length but without one you have at least the thickness of the bar's mounts to work with. I would also suggest measuring the height of the rear wheelwells left/right to see if the car truly sits level or not with the light transmission on one side of the engine bay and the heavy engine on the other, which could cause the car to lean to the right just a tad.

the bushings should actually not have any impact on the ride height.. just the camber and toe (for the lateral links) and caster (for the radius rod). The spindle is rigidly attached to the strut casing, so it's basically a straight line from strut mount to tire, and the spring/strut assembly does all the work as far as ride height. I could only see the lateral links affecting ride height if you had HUGE amounts of camber making the car sit on the shoulders of the tires rather than flat on the tread, but even dead bushings wouldn't cause that much of a camber change.