so i always read about somebody on here wanting to turbo a 3rd gen. but never anything about supercharging. i havent searched or anything.. (although i thnik i should.. but watever)
so im curious. do we have any options. IF we want to supercharge a 3rd gen?

 

vg33er
srsly, unless you sacrifice something (pwr steering, ac), there isn't much room for one.

then again, they manage to cram one into z32's and vq maximas all the time. I am not aware of anyone who has actually done it in a 3rd gen.

 

no option but a full custom job...absolutely nothing is available supercharger wise for these cars...same as turbo, everything has to be custom fabbed..

no one(on this forum) has ever supercharged a 3rd gen...

 

Well, you could make a supercharger setup just like you could make a turbocharger setup.

But why would you want to? If you're going to have to make a setup anyway, I don't know who would want to opt for a belt-driven (relatively) inefficient supercharger setup...

 

superchargers are for v8's y0..

 

Very upset bunch of engineers at Mercedes wants to speak to you because they are apparently sucessfully running supers on small capacity 4 cylinder motors

 

i know about the inneficiancies of a supercharger. but wouldnt it be a little bit simple making a supercharged setup instead of a turbo.

 

ya. There is just not much room. If wanted to run the vg33r supercharger Im not sure if the hood latch with it installed. It can be done be easiest if remove ac compressor.

 

Chevy Cobalt SS are 4 bangers and are supercharged

 

Yeah, and then GM wisened up and went with a turbo instead of the supercharger

 

hmmm.... the pathfinders are the ones that have that supercharger right?
has anybody ever even brought this idea?
im surprised nobody has ever thought of this.

what would it take out of curiousity?

 

i dont think anybody has done it because the Z31 turbo parts are so available and theres good writeups on how to use VG30ET parts on a VG30E

 

VG33's have been dropped into Maxima's, but not with the supercharger. Turbo is simply the best route to go with these engines and in these cars. I've met many tremendously capable people both in and outside this forum regarding Maxima's and boosting yet none who have boosted have gone supercharged......you really need to consider why that is. But, feel free to start your own project.

 

well.. why is that? haha.
i dont know why guys dont supercharge.
its unique.. lol. im gonna do some research.

 

Well because it's inefficient compared to turbocharging...

Even alot of guys Maxima guys with bolt-on supercharger kits opt for a turbo system when they want to make more/better power.

 

"effiency" eh?

I suspect that word needs to be defined rather more specifically because I reckon its a crap-shoot when also looking at the longterm durability, drivability, predictability etc etc etc too.

Sure turbos can probably for most installations be made to outperform superchargers ito raw power on any given engine, but that is surely not the be-all and end-all of power mods here ..................... or perhaps it is in which case just ignore me.

Me? - if money was no object and I had the inclination to improve power output of any given motor, I would go the supercharger route above turbo

 

If they can Twin Turbo a 2nd gen, I'm sure they can find a way to S/C a 3rd gen

 

Hmm I dont think so, Mazda managed to Supercharge their millenia for years. Its Called the Millienia S (superchager) I drove one once and it hauls *** like a V8

 

Generally, turbo chargers are more efficient than superchargers. The average supercharger takes 45 hp to drive the sc system, making them largely illogical to use except on large/relatively high base output engines (i.e., v8's). There's a reason you almost never see supercharged smaller engines. The efficiency of a turbo system is also evident in many of the super MPG 4 cylinder cars with small, efficient turbo systems.

Also, superchargers generally make power down low, and taper off as the engine revs. Turbos are the opposite, and can easily continue making power well up to the redline of the engine.

The only "drawback" of a turbo system is increased complexity of tuning, but if you want to make power in bunches and keep making power as the revs increase, a turbo is the name of the game

Really, there's a reason the majority of auto manufacturers opt for turbos over superchargers (save for muscle cars sticking with sc's for largely reasons of tradition/familiarity). It's not just because turbos are "cool" or something. It's because of efficiency, larger power potential, and the ability for big power across a larger/usable section of the powerband.

Most of the super incredible high hp cars you see (Supras, highly modded Vettes, etc) are virtually all turbocharger systems. Take Lingenfelter, for example. Even their highest output Vette packages are twin turbo systems, even though they have tons of sc packages.

So, on a Maxima, for example, even if you didn't want a ton of power, you could achieve the same output level with a turbo as an sc system, all the while being more efficient, too. So why opt for an sc system?

 

Well defined there, and thus as I said just ignore me

 

i agree with Lvr.
thats why i was asking about s/c it seems like a less complicated more stable and reliable way to add power.
i know its not as efficient and powerful but if i were to do it i would still like a DD. not to say that u cant have a turboed DD but i would think a s/c would be a more viable option in my opinion..

i would be researching like i said i would. but im busy as fuuukk. haha.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=873Kc...eature=related

 

thats exacly what i pictured in my head..
a centrifugal s/c.. (idk if i spelled that right)
anyways..

discuss..

 

but Big E Dog knows a ton, last i heard he was going to try to RWD convert a 2nd gen. i remember him saying he got caught with the turbo's and i think he had to remove them

honestly for ease, just go turbo. theres over a dozen people who have done a turbo setup on a 3rd gen and most will help you. supercharger, youre all alone learning for yourself

 

just to bring it back to reality 98% of the stuff i talk about is never gonna happen.
but IF i ever have the money and comitment to highly modd a 3rd gen. i would kinda wanna do a s/c.

explain to me the differences between that s/c set up on that z31 and what it would take to translate that to a max.

 

Its all relative to what you want from the system. IMHO supercharging the VG would be suited for a positive displacement SC like eaton or kenne bell. The powerband of those SC engines tend to be like a large displacement engine. Now a turbo depending on the size will have the midrange advantage and/or top end depending on its size. Generally SC are easier to install as you dont have to make exhaust manifolds or exh piping. Now a hot setup for a VG would be an eaton M90 from a GTP. With a hotter cam and valve springs plus the right headers, the VG should be able to make a power curve similar to a LS1.

 

wow!
nismo droppin knowledge.
haha

 

let's just say there's a reason why guys who own cars equipped with a 2JZ always opt for turbo's rather than superchargers (if they even make one)

 

Yes - and its called choice.

 

i just looked at it and jesus almighty that is a bigass unit.
not that expensive though.

 

if it was me i would just drop in the whole vg33er in with the maxima exhaust manifolds, and tranny fab up a few hoses ( pwr str, a/c, heater) carbon fiber cowl hood and call it a day

sometimes ppl tend to over think stuff for no reason, its like saying "oh im gonna make a tunnel to go to the bottom of the ocean"
when you can just build a sub and save tons of money


im just sayin tho.

 

it was done in a second gen. A guy posted about it a few years ago. He put the supercharged exterra engine into his second gen. Search that forum.

 

FWIW the Millenia S has a Miller-cycle engine, which essentially requires a supercharger. Not so much a 'boosted' Millenia, as much as a Millenia with a completely different engine package.

 

xterra... xterra...
not Exterrra, not camEro

 

since when is "choosing" to go faster a bad thing? (if thats what you intended to say)
i don't see any 1300+rwhp Supra's using superchargers.....do you?

 

at the same time, I do not see any turbo'd jags.
all are SC'd

 

im not getting you point bud (if there is one)


if you want to make ultimate power, Turbo is the way to go...SC is just more reliable and at the same time (and at some point) counter-productive, as it takes HP to make HP.

not sure what you're disagreeing with me about?

 

blah, not disagreeing with turbos. there are more and more turbo'd cars coming out, and less sc'd cars.
SC has a place, and they are nice power boosters.
(there was supposed to be some sarcasm in that post, seeing as jag isn't known as a sports car manufacturer, even though they are)

 

ahhh. understood.

 

well this ain no BMW, but then again it also isnt a z28 camaro v8. fitting that SC into the alreadyt crammed engine will be really hard to do. but if you can then thats amazinggg