A/C question
If your talking about the low side service port, it is right above the compressor. Plus I'm not sure what you mean by "pump" the a/c system. Recover? Evacuate? Charge the system?
Last edited by KenBob; Jul 29, 2011 at 10:09 PM.
I got nothing for both...
Yes, I am talking about the low side. We are tying to recharge, I bought some bottles(r134) from walmart. I was going to charge the system since a/c NOT cold at all so decide do it myself to save money....
you know how
Well first off you'll need a set of a/c gauges to determine pressures. Second, if there isn't any refrigerant in the system there is a leak somewhere and that MUST be fixed before anything else is done, otherwise you'll be throwing money away. If you have no understanding of the system don't work on it, One: not only is it illegal to work on a/c systems if you lack the EPA certification. Two: chances are you will spend more money trying to fix something you're not familiar with. So you should really take it to a shop who knows what they're doing.
All this with assuming your system has retrofitted, if not then there is even more that must done to do the job.
All this with assuming your system has retrofitted, if not then there is even more that must done to do the job.
Last edited by KenBob; Jul 30, 2011 at 01:35 PM.
If you are trying to "recharge" your system you will not be able to unless, like Ben said, your car has been retrofitted to accept r134a.
Since your car is a '91 it has factory r12. R12 and r134a are not compatible so you can neither "recharge" nor can you "top off" your system unless it has been retrofitted.
Since your car is a '91 it has factory r12. R12 and r134a are not compatible so you can neither "recharge" nor can you "top off" your system unless it has been retrofitted.
A direct link from the EPA's website.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/ht...1---h000-.html
(c) Servicing motor vehicle air conditioners Effective January 1, 1992, no person repairing or servicing motor vehicles for consideration may perform any service on a motor vehicle air conditioner involving the refrigerant for such air conditioner without properly using approved refrigerant recycling equipment and no such person may perform such service unless such person has been properly trained and certified. The requirements of the previous sentence shall not apply until January 1, 1993 in the case of a person repairing or servicing motor vehicles for consideration at an entity which performed service on fewer than 100 motor vehicle air conditioners during calendar year 1990 and if such person so certifies, pursuant to subsection (d)(2) of this section, to the Administrator by January 1, 1992.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/ht...1---h000-.html
(c) Servicing motor vehicle air conditioners Effective January 1, 1992, no person repairing or servicing motor vehicles for consideration may perform any service on a motor vehicle air conditioner involving the refrigerant for such air conditioner without properly using approved refrigerant recycling equipment and no such person may perform such service unless such person has been properly trained and certified. The requirements of the previous sentence shall not apply until January 1, 1993 in the case of a person repairing or servicing motor vehicles for consideration at an entity which performed service on fewer than 100 motor vehicle air conditioners during calendar year 1990 and if such person so certifies, pursuant to subsection (d)(2) of this section, to the Administrator by January 1, 1992.
A direct link from the EPA's website.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/ht...1---h000-.html
(c) Servicing motor vehicle air conditioners Effective January 1, 1992, no person repairing or servicing motor vehicles for consideration may perform any service on a motor vehicle air conditioner involving the refrigerant for such air conditioner without properly using approved refrigerant recycling equipment and no such person may perform such service unless such person has been properly trained and certified. The requirements of the previous sentence shall not apply until January 1, 1993 in the case of a person repairing or servicing motor vehicles for consideration at an entity which performed service on fewer than 100 motor vehicle air conditioners during calendar year 1990 and if such person so certifies, pursuant to subsection (d)(2) of this section, to the Administrator by January 1, 1992.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/ht...1---h000-.html
(c) Servicing motor vehicle air conditioners Effective January 1, 1992, no person repairing or servicing motor vehicles for consideration may perform any service on a motor vehicle air conditioner involving the refrigerant for such air conditioner without properly using approved refrigerant recycling equipment and no such person may perform such service unless such person has been properly trained and certified. The requirements of the previous sentence shall not apply until January 1, 1993 in the case of a person repairing or servicing motor vehicles for consideration at an entity which performed service on fewer than 100 motor vehicle air conditioners during calendar year 1990 and if such person so certifies, pursuant to subsection (d)(2) of this section, to the Administrator by January 1, 1992.
haha wow......
A direct link from the EPA's website.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/ht...1---h000-.html
(c) Servicing motor vehicle air conditioners Effective January 1, 1992, no person repairing or servicing motor vehicles for consideration may perform any service on a motor vehicle air conditioner involving the refrigerant for such air conditioner without properly using approved refrigerant recycling equipment and no such person may perform such service unless such person has been properly trained and certified. The requirements of the previous sentence shall not apply until January 1, 1993 in the case of a person repairing or servicing motor vehicles for consideration at an entity which performed service on fewer than 100 motor vehicle air conditioners during calendar year 1990 and if such person so certifies, pursuant to subsection (d)(2) of this section, to the Administrator by January 1, 1992.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/ht...1---h000-.html
(c) Servicing motor vehicle air conditioners Effective January 1, 1992, no person repairing or servicing motor vehicles for consideration may perform any service on a motor vehicle air conditioner involving the refrigerant for such air conditioner without properly using approved refrigerant recycling equipment and no such person may perform such service unless such person has been properly trained and certified. The requirements of the previous sentence shall not apply until January 1, 1993 in the case of a person repairing or servicing motor vehicles for consideration at an entity which performed service on fewer than 100 motor vehicle air conditioners during calendar year 1990 and if such person so certifies, pursuant to subsection (d)(2) of this section, to the Administrator by January 1, 1992.
But I guess I could be wrong and it could technically be required to have a certification to work on an a/c system but...
I don't see how it can possibly illegal to "work on" an a/c system without certification - as there are many other aspects of an a/c system other than the refrigerant itself. You could "work on" an a/c system without touching or dealing with refrigerant.
So according to the EPA I need to be certified to change out my HVAC controls? I need to be certified to change a pressure switch? I need to be certified to change a compressor clutch? I need to be certified to change a compressor belt?

Plus, I guarantee you the vast majority of shops and "mechanics" who do A/C work are NOT certified anyway.
It looks to me like this is directly associated with the switch from r12 to r134a. Manufacturers were required to switch to r134a in automobiles starting in 1993. It references "motor vehicles for consideration". What vehicles are "for consideration"? Again, since this is from 1992, I'm guessing this is referring to the soon to be restricted pre-1993 vehicles with r12 systems. It's saying any person doing "such service" - "such service" being recapturing/recycling r12 - needs certification.
But I guess I could be wrong and it could technically be required to have a certification to work on an a/c system but...
I don't see how it can possibly illegal to "work on" an a/c system without certification - as there are many other aspects of an a/c system other than the refrigerant itself. You could "work on" an a/c system without touching or dealing with refrigerant.
So according to the EPA I need to be certified to change out my HVAC controls? I need to be certified to change a pressure switch? I need to be certified to change a compressor clutch? I need to be certified to change a compressor belt?
Plus, I guarantee you the vast majority of shops and "mechanics" who do A/C work are NOT certified anyway.
But I guess I could be wrong and it could technically be required to have a certification to work on an a/c system but...
I don't see how it can possibly illegal to "work on" an a/c system without certification - as there are many other aspects of an a/c system other than the refrigerant itself. You could "work on" an a/c system without touching or dealing with refrigerant.
So according to the EPA I need to be certified to change out my HVAC controls? I need to be certified to change a pressure switch? I need to be certified to change a compressor clutch? I need to be certified to change a compressor belt?

Plus, I guarantee you the vast majority of shops and "mechanics" who do A/C work are NOT certified anyway.
I guarantee that you go to any dealer or any shop that cares about what kind of quality work they do. The techs there will have their certifications, otherwise the shops are looking at some serious fines.
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