I can Get VE or VG Hekimian Racing Lightened Crank pulley!
05-29-2002, 04:28 PM
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I can Get VE or VG Hekimian Racing Lightened Crank pulley!
I made a deal with Hekimian Racing for pulleys(About 2 Pounds). He will sell the pulleys for $225 a piece. I just need 10 for each engine type. They will be the color of your choice and they will be Cryogenically treated. I have a dyno from a VG Maxima.I already have 1 for my engine and 1 for the VG engnie 9 more for each and were set.
05-29-2002, 04:41 PM
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Originally posted by DA-MAX
$225????? I know they are cryotreated(why???), but who wants to pay that much MORE...thats kinda ridiculous!
$225????? I know they are cryotreated(why???), but who wants to pay that much MORE...thats kinda ridiculous!
which reminds me...i need to call courtesy
05-29-2002, 04:50 PM
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Originally posted by JDwyer2821
OK I will talk to him tommorrow. Would you guys pay $200
OK I will talk to him tommorrow. Would you guys pay $200
05-29-2002, 04:50 PM
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Originally posted by JDwyer2821
OK I will talk to him tommorrow. Would you guys pay $200
OK I will talk to him tommorrow. Would you guys pay $200
05-29-2002, 04:56 PM
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Originally posted by DA-MAX
I know what cryotreatment is but what is the advantage of a cryotreated pulley over the standard UR and ASP pullies? I've heard no cases of the UR or ASPs cracking or "coming apart" due to extreme heat or abrasion issues....so whats the deal???
I know what cryotreatment is but what is the advantage of a cryotreated pulley over the standard UR and ASP pullies? I've heard no cases of the UR or ASPs cracking or "coming apart" due to extreme heat or abrasion issues....so whats the deal???
05-29-2002, 05:03 PM
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Dang.....$225?!?!
ASP already makes the UDP for the VE's.... $119.
Unless this pulley is going to make substantially more power than the UDP I dont see why ANYONE would even consider paying that much...
ASP already makes the UDP for the VE's.... $119.
Unless this pulley is going to make substantially more power than the UDP I dont see why ANYONE would even consider paying that much...
05-29-2002, 08:37 PM
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WTF??!!! 21.2hp gain and 20lb/ft torque???? Come on. Are you really serious? I'm extremely skeptical about that but, could you email me the dyno at fred.brown@amd.com? I think you can count me in since I have a paycheck coming in 1 week.
05-29-2002, 09:39 PM
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ok, so whats the point of having these pullies made?
UR already makes VG ones
ASP makes Ve ones
why would we want anything different?
not like the Hekimian would be better or last longer
UR makes VG pullys with billet aluminum
even the stock pully will outlast the car
UR already makes VG ones
ASP makes Ve ones
why would we want anything different?
not like the Hekimian would be better or last longer
UR makes VG pullys with billet aluminum
even the stock pully will outlast the car
05-29-2002, 09:39 PM
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Originally posted by Shadow1198
WTF??!!! 21.2hp gain and 20lb/ft torque???? Come on. Are you really serious? I'm extremely skeptical about that but, could you email me the dyno at fred.brown@amd.com? I think you can count me in since I have a paycheck coming in 1 week.
WTF??!!! 21.2hp gain and 20lb/ft torque???? Come on. Are you really serious? I'm extremely skeptical about that but, could you email me the dyno at fred.brown@amd.com? I think you can count me in since I have a paycheck coming in 1 week.
Check my past post I am not a BSer
05-29-2002, 09:49 PM
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Originally posted by mykizism
ok, so whats the point of having these pullies made?
UR already makes VG ones
ASP makes Ve ones
why would we want anything different?
not like the Hekimian would be better or last longer
UR makes VG pullys with billet aluminum
even the stock pully will outlast the car
ok, so whats the point of having these pullies made?
UR already makes VG ones
ASP makes Ve ones
why would we want anything different?
not like the Hekimian would be better or last longer
UR makes VG pullys with billet aluminum
even the stock pully will outlast the car
05-29-2002, 09:56 PM
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Originally posted by JDwyer2821
So are we complaining about getting more aftermarket support
So are we complaining about getting more aftermarket support
But i dont see why bother to make a VG UDP when there is already a good on available. especially if the Hekimian one is gonna be more expensive than UR's
05-29-2002, 09:58 PM
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If they'll make more power than the ASP or UR pulley, then great.. it'll justify the cost.
not that I'm complaining about more aftermarket support, but I think heikiman will have to drop the prices substantially in order for them to even sell them - unless they make tons more power than the other brands.
not that I'm complaining about more aftermarket support, but I think heikiman will have to drop the prices substantially in order for them to even sell them - unless they make tons more power than the other brands.
05-29-2002, 09:58 PM
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Originally posted by mykizism
nope, we (well us VG guys) have more than enought aftermarket support for our cars.
But i dont see why bother to make a VG UDP when there is already a good on available. especially if the Hekimian one is gonna be more expensive than UR's
nope, we (well us VG guys) have more than enought aftermarket support for our cars.
But i dont see why bother to make a VG UDP when there is already a good on available. especially if the Hekimian one is gonna be more expensive than UR's
A whole 12 dollars more for possibly a better product
05-29-2002, 10:13 PM
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i dont see how another pully could produce more power than another pully.
if they are both underdrive pully's and are about the same diameter and weight. i dont see how one pully could produce more power than another pully
the UR pully is very small compared to the stocker
and it weight like a feather compared to the stocker
anyways i would help out on the group deal thing, but i already have a pully haha
if they are both underdrive pully's and are about the same diameter and weight. i dont see how one pully could produce more power than another pully
the UR pully is very small compared to the stocker
and it weight like a feather compared to the stocker
anyways i would help out on the group deal thing, but i already have a pully haha
05-29-2002, 10:17 PM
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Originally posted by mykizism
i dont see how another pully could produce more power than another pully.
if they are both underdrive pully's and are about the same diameter and weight. i dont see how one pully could produce more power than another pully
the UR pully is very small compared to the stocker
and it weight like a feather compared to the stocker
anyways i would help out on the group deal thing, but i already have a pully haha
i dont see how another pully could produce more power than another pully.
if they are both underdrive pully's and are about the same diameter and weight. i dont see how one pully could produce more power than another pully
the UR pully is very small compared to the stocker
and it weight like a feather compared to the stocker
anyways i would help out on the group deal thing, but i already have a pully haha
05-29-2002, 10:27 PM
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Originally posted by mykizism
i dont see how another pully could produce more power than another pully.
if they are both underdrive pully's and are about the same diameter and weight. i dont see how one pully could produce more power than another pully
the UR pully is very small compared to the stocker
and it weight like a feather compared to the stocker
anyways i would help out on the group deal thing, but i already have a pully haha
i dont see how another pully could produce more power than another pully.
if they are both underdrive pully's and are about the same diameter and weight. i dont see how one pully could produce more power than another pully
the UR pully is very small compared to the stocker
and it weight like a feather compared to the stocker
anyways i would help out on the group deal thing, but i already have a pully haha
05-29-2002, 11:11 PM
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I would be interested in a pulley for my VG if it did indeed make a 20hp increase. Otherwise, I think most will stay with UR. I If you could give info. about the gains, and make sure that the belts of that size would be easy to find, then I am in.
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05-29-2002, 11:37 PM
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Originally posted by Chris91SE
i can see why they're cryotreated but UR makes a pretty damn good pulley for us already at almost half the cost...
which reminds me...i need to call courtesy
i can see why they're cryotreated but UR makes a pretty damn good pulley for us already at almost half the cost...
which reminds me...i need to call courtesy
05-30-2002, 06:58 AM
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Half the cost
Originally posted by Chris91SE
i can see why they're cryotreated but UR makes a pretty damn good pulley for us already at almost half the cost...
which reminds me...i need to call courtesy
i can see why they're cryotreated but UR makes a pretty damn good pulley for us already at almost half the cost...
which reminds me...i need to call courtesy
05-30-2002, 07:21 AM
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In regards to the reason for cryo treating the pulley:
"There is less friction, less heat, and less wear."
From everything I have read about cryo treating parts, none of that statement is true except maybe less wear, but seeing as how thousands of people are using aluminum pulleys that are not cryo treated without any trouble, I would say this is probably not necessary. Perhaps if there design were so minimal in terms of material then I could see cryo treating to help ensure the needed strength, but courtesy nissan lists the VG UR pulley at 1.45 pounds so I don't see why it would be needed on Hekiman's 2 pound model. Maybe you want to ask Hekiman to not cryo treat them and see what the savings would be to bring this more in line with outher pulleys on the market. Hekiman is very expensive with their cryo treatment. They are the closest place to me that I found to do cryo treating, but they charge $60 per rotor which is the most expensive price I found.
For some reason I seem to recall the ASP VE pulley being slightly heavier than two pounds, so there might be some small benefit there, but probably not $100 worth. I have the weight written down at home from when I called ASP before I bought mine. I can post that later if anyone's interested.
Sith, that's a nice find with RPM Outlet place. $99.95 is their price for almost any ASP pulley. Have you ordered from them before? ASP is having a 10% off sale this month (ends tomorrow) but that is still the lowest price, even lower than Summit.
-Mike
"There is less friction, less heat, and less wear."
From everything I have read about cryo treating parts, none of that statement is true except maybe less wear, but seeing as how thousands of people are using aluminum pulleys that are not cryo treated without any trouble, I would say this is probably not necessary. Perhaps if there design were so minimal in terms of material then I could see cryo treating to help ensure the needed strength, but courtesy nissan lists the VG UR pulley at 1.45 pounds so I don't see why it would be needed on Hekiman's 2 pound model. Maybe you want to ask Hekiman to not cryo treat them and see what the savings would be to bring this more in line with outher pulleys on the market. Hekiman is very expensive with their cryo treatment. They are the closest place to me that I found to do cryo treating, but they charge $60 per rotor which is the most expensive price I found.
For some reason I seem to recall the ASP VE pulley being slightly heavier than two pounds, so there might be some small benefit there, but probably not $100 worth. I have the weight written down at home from when I called ASP before I bought mine. I can post that later if anyone's interested.
Sith, that's a nice find with RPM Outlet place. $99.95 is their price for almost any ASP pulley. Have you ordered from them before? ASP is having a 10% off sale this month (ends tomorrow) but that is still the lowest price, even lower than Summit.
-Mike
05-30-2002, 08:28 AM
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Originally posted by JDwyer2821
Well If some one wants to post the Dyno for me It says theres 21.2hp gain and 20 torque gain. The subject was a 1rst or 2nd gen auto max. He said the change was absolutly just his UD pulley.
Well If some one wants to post the Dyno for me It says theres 21.2hp gain and 20 torque gain. The subject was a 1rst or 2nd gen auto max. He said the change was absolutly just his UD pulley.
What exactly is this dyno from? One of his pulley's on a Maxima?
You gotta be careful with what companies tell you their pulley's make on the dyno. What they do is dyno a heavily modified/boosted car (which of course makes insnae gains like 20/20) and then try to market their pulley's as making that much power when in any other car you'd be lucky to get 5 and 5. So, a little more clarification on these numbers/dyno would be helpful.
And yes for VG guys, I can see what the benefit of getting this made would be. Not that much more expensive than the current option(s) and one more product out there available. But for us VE guys, I'd have to see some great numbers on the Dyno in order to pay that much. Sooo, get us some more info JDwyer.
05-30-2002, 08:38 AM
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IMO, Unorthodox Racing makes the best lightened crankshaft pullies on the market. These things are high-quality aluminum, which are billet (read: cryotreating not necessary) and machined so perfectly they are nearly flawless. They reduced the weight over 7 pounds from the stock pully. They have a beautiful, lasting finish, and they are economical to buy for the gains. That's why I had UR make this pully for us VG owners. No one here is interested in another pully because there is no way another company can make more power with another pully effectively. UR has already engineered it to maximum usable underdriving, maintaining proper voltage throughout most of the RPM range (except below 900 or so). Any other type of pully would have to be one belt for the alternator and nothing else in order to make power. And you'd only see, like, 3 HP MAX.
Also, you will never see a 20HP gain on a VG30E from a pully.
-Kaleb
Also, you will never see a 20HP gain on a VG30E from a pully.
-Kaleb
05-30-2002, 04:38 PM
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Originally posted by kaleb
IMO, Unorthodox Racing makes the best lightened crankshaft pullies on the market. These things are high-quality aluminum, which are billet (read: cryotreating not necessary) and machined so perfectly they are nearly flawless. They reduced the weight over 7 pounds from the stock pully. They have a beautiful, lasting finish, and they are economical to buy for the gains. That's why I had UR make this pully for us VG owners. No one here is interested in another pully because there is no way another company can make more power with another pully effectively. UR has already engineered it to maximum usable underdriving, maintaining proper voltage throughout most of the RPM range (except below 900 or so). Any other type of pully would have to be one belt for the alternator and nothing else in order to make power. And you'd only see, like, 3 HP MAX.
Also, you will never see a 20HP gain on a VG30E from a pully.
-Kaleb
IMO, Unorthodox Racing makes the best lightened crankshaft pullies on the market. These things are high-quality aluminum, which are billet (read: cryotreating not necessary) and machined so perfectly they are nearly flawless. They reduced the weight over 7 pounds from the stock pully. They have a beautiful, lasting finish, and they are economical to buy for the gains. That's why I had UR make this pully for us VG owners. No one here is interested in another pully because there is no way another company can make more power with another pully effectively. UR has already engineered it to maximum usable underdriving, maintaining proper voltage throughout most of the RPM range (except below 900 or so). Any other type of pully would have to be one belt for the alternator and nothing else in order to make power. And you'd only see, like, 3 HP MAX.
Also, you will never see a 20HP gain on a VG30E from a pully.
-Kaleb
Hi John:
1) Weights 2lbs
2) made of bar stock billet 7075
3) Cryogenically treated
4) Hard coat anodized
5) 20 lb gain in torque
6) large radii for strength
7) precision broached keyway
If people are just talking money there not serious about quality.
Don't push them wait for the guy understands good products.
Hope this helps you Gregg
Please relay a message to ***** for me.
Tell him I got his Throw out bearing and everything is already in the Cryoprocessor.
I will have it out by Tuesday Morning.
Thank you John.
Respectfully: Gregg Hekimian
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05-30-2002, 05:35 PM
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Originally posted by JDwyer2821
If people are just talking money there not serious about quality.
Don't push them wait for the guy understands good products.
Hope this helps you Gregg
If people are just talking money there not serious about quality.
Don't push them wait for the guy understands good products.
Hope this helps you Gregg
On the flip side, just because it costs more, doesn't mean it's better. Hope this helps you
05-30-2002, 05:40 PM
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Originally posted by JDwyer2821
Heres the Email he sent me back
Hi John:
1) Weights 2lbs
2) made of bar stock billet 7075
3) Cryogenically treated
4) Hard coat anodized
5) 20 lb gain in torque
6) large radii for strength
7) precision broached keyway
If people are just talking money there not serious about quality.
Don't push them wait for the guy understands good products.
Hope this helps you Gregg
Please relay a message to ***** for me.
Tell him I got his Throw out bearing and everything is already in the Cryoprocessor.
I will have it out by Tuesday Morning.
Thank you John.
Respectfully: Gregg Hekimian
Hekimian Racing Engines
617-926-0608
Heres the Email he sent me back
Hi John:
1) Weights 2lbs
2) made of bar stock billet 7075
3) Cryogenically treated
4) Hard coat anodized
5) 20 lb gain in torque
6) large radii for strength
7) precision broached keyway
If people are just talking money there not serious about quality.
Don't push them wait for the guy understands good products.
Hope this helps you Gregg
Please relay a message to ***** for me.
Tell him I got his Throw out bearing and everything is already in the Cryoprocessor.
I will have it out by Tuesday Morning.
Thank you John.
Respectfully: Gregg Hekimian
Hekimian Racing Engines
617-926-0608
If he has already made a pulley:
Where are the dyno numbers? Not what he says the pulley will make, but actual numbers on a dyno.
If he hasnt already made and tested/dyno'd a pulley:
I'm not sure 10 people will sign up for a product that isnt even made or tested yet. His hp/torque numbers seem a little far fetched to me. But if those numbers are dyno'd I'd like to see.
05-30-2002, 08:29 PM
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Originally posted by James92SE
Okay maybe I'm a little confused on this. Has he already made a pulley or does he need 10 people sign up and THEN he'll make/sell them?
If he has already made a pulley:
Where are the dyno numbers? Not what he says the pulley will make, but actual numbers on a dyno.
If he hasnt already made and tested/dyno'd a pulley:
I'm not sure 10 people will sign up for a product that isnt even made or tested yet. His hp/torque numbers seem a little far fetched to me. But if those numbers are dyno'd I'd like to see.
Okay maybe I'm a little confused on this. Has he already made a pulley or does he need 10 people sign up and THEN he'll make/sell them?
If he has already made a pulley:
Where are the dyno numbers? Not what he says the pulley will make, but actual numbers on a dyno.
If he hasnt already made and tested/dyno'd a pulley:
I'm not sure 10 people will sign up for a product that isnt even made or tested yet. His hp/torque numbers seem a little far fetched to me. But if those numbers are dyno'd I'd like to see.
05-30-2002, 11:34 PM
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Originally posted by JDwyer2821
He used to make them but Then stopped but to start up again he needs ten. Like I said he has a dyno from a old maxima. If you want it give me ur e-mail address.
He used to make them but Then stopped but to start up again he needs ten. Like I said he has a dyno from a old maxima. If you want it give me ur e-mail address.
05-31-2002, 12:09 PM
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Originally posted by James92SE
Okay maybe I'm a little confused on this. Has he already made a pulley or does he need 10 people sign up and THEN he'll make/sell them?
If he has already made a pulley:
Where are the dyno numbers? Not what he says the pulley will make, but actual numbers on a dyno.
If he hasnt already made and tested/dyno'd a pulley:
I'm not sure 10 people will sign up for a product that isnt even made or tested yet. His hp/torque numbers seem a little far fetched to me. But if those numbers are dyno'd I'd like to see.
Okay maybe I'm a little confused on this. Has he already made a pulley or does he need 10 people sign up and THEN he'll make/sell them?
If he has already made a pulley:
Where are the dyno numbers? Not what he says the pulley will make, but actual numbers on a dyno.
If he hasnt already made and tested/dyno'd a pulley:
I'm not sure 10 people will sign up for a product that isnt even made or tested yet. His hp/torque numbers seem a little far fetched to me. But if those numbers are dyno'd I'd like to see.
05-31-2002, 02:59 PM
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Hmm....well here's the numbers from the dynograph that JDwyer e-mailed me:
Baseline:
103.1 hp and 114.2 ft. lbs torque
Pulley:
124.3 hp and 134.2 ft. lbs torque
That's +21.2 hp and +20 ft. lbs of torque.
What car was this dyno'd on? I assume it's a VG auto judging from the baseline numbers. Those baseline numbers look pretty low to me, but then again I'm not a VG guy.
Are there any numbers on the VE?? How long ago and why did he stop making them in the first place?
Baseline:
103.1 hp and 114.2 ft. lbs torque
Pulley:
124.3 hp and 134.2 ft. lbs torque
That's +21.2 hp and +20 ft. lbs of torque.
What car was this dyno'd on? I assume it's a VG auto judging from the baseline numbers. Those baseline numbers look pretty low to me, but then again I'm not a VG guy.
Are there any numbers on the VE?? How long ago and why did he stop making them in the first place?
05-31-2002, 03:08 PM
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Originally posted by James92SE
Hmm....well here's the numbers from the dynograph that JDwyer e-mailed me:
Baseline:
103.1 hp and 114.2 ft. lbs torque
Pulley:
124.3 hp and 134.2 ft. lbs torque
That's +21.2 hp and +20 ft. lbs of torque.
What car was this dyno'd on? I assume it's a VG auto judging from the baseline numbers. Those baseline numbers look pretty low to me, but then again I'm not a VG guy.
Are there any numbers on the VE?? How long ago and why did he stop making them in the first place?
Hmm....well here's the numbers from the dynograph that JDwyer e-mailed me:
Baseline:
103.1 hp and 114.2 ft. lbs torque
Pulley:
124.3 hp and 134.2 ft. lbs torque
That's +21.2 hp and +20 ft. lbs of torque.
What car was this dyno'd on? I assume it's a VG auto judging from the baseline numbers. Those baseline numbers look pretty low to me, but then again I'm not a VG guy.
Are there any numbers on the VE?? How long ago and why did he stop making them in the first place?
Its from a 80's Max auto