transgo vb mod
03-15-2002, 08:55 PM
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I have a freind who has that (he likes it) but it is hard to find an installer who will take on the job reasonably...the shops I called were not willing to even look at it...I cannot trust myself to do it.
03-15-2002, 11:12 PM
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Re: transgo vb mod
Similar, but not the same. I think everyone that has it says it's not quite as "aggressive" as Don's VB mod. That is, the shifts are softer, more like stock. Some people have gotten the Transgo and then switched to Don's VB mod if that tells you anything.
Originally posted by maxedout2k1
could anyone who hased used the transgo vb mod tell me if it is worth it or not? also where to get it. does it basically do the same thing as dons? please help me out. thanks
could anyone who hased used the transgo vb mod tell me if it is worth it or not? also where to get it. does it basically do the same thing as dons? please help me out. thanks
03-16-2002, 07:39 AM
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Re: Re: transgo vb mod
Originally posted by Shadow
Similar, but not the same. I think everyone that has it says it's not quite as "aggressive" as Don's VB mod. That is, the shifts are softer, more like stock. Some people have gotten the Transgo and then switched to Don's VB mod if that tells you anything.
Similar, but not the same. I think everyone that has it says it's not quite as "aggressive" as Don's VB mod. That is, the shifts are softer, more like stock. Some people have gotten the Transgo and then switched to Don's VB mod if that tells you anything.
03-16-2002, 08:31 AM
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I heard the Don's VB doesn't go well with the ECU.
I mean, when Don recalibrates it to shift quicker and firmer, won't the ECU get confused?
Because it has the shiftpoints in it's memory, correct? So when the shifts come quicker, the ECU will not go well with the VB?
I mean, when Don recalibrates it to shift quicker and firmer, won't the ECU get confused?
Because it has the shiftpoints in it's memory, correct? So when the shifts come quicker, the ECU will not go well with the VB?
03-16-2002, 08:37 AM
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Originally posted by blue96se
I heard the Don's VB doesn't go well with the ECU.
I mean, when Don recalibrates it to shift quicker and firmer, won't the ECU get confused?
Because it has the shiftpoints in it's memory, correct? So when the shifts come quicker, the ECU will not go well with the VB?
I heard the Don's VB doesn't go well with the ECU.
I mean, when Don recalibrates it to shift quicker and firmer, won't the ECU get confused?
Because it has the shiftpoints in it's memory, correct? So when the shifts come quicker, the ECU will not go well with the VB?
Th ECU does not get confused by the VB mod.
03-16-2002, 08:44 AM
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Then how about it being bad for the motor mounts and such? Since it's shifting harder?
I'm asking because I asked a couple of my local shops (who I don't trust all that much anyways) as well as several friends who have been working and tuning cars for a long time.
Everyone has been saying to keep away from Don's VB because of the concerns I just asked about: ECU confusion, shorter tranny life and damaging motor mounts due to harder shifts.
And yet, everyone on the board says it's perfectly fine.
I'm asking because I asked a couple of my local shops (who I don't trust all that much anyways) as well as several friends who have been working and tuning cars for a long time.
Everyone has been saying to keep away from Don's VB because of the concerns I just asked about: ECU confusion, shorter tranny life and damaging motor mounts due to harder shifts.
And yet, everyone on the board says it's perfectly fine.
Originally posted by mzmtg
Um, no.
Th ECU does not get confused by the VB mod.
Um, no.
Th ECU does not get confused by the VB mod.
03-16-2002, 09:46 AM
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Oh, so you were the guy pulling in. I was trying to figure out who you were since I haven't seen your car around.
Originally posted by JAIMECBR900
I agree 100%. I have the transgo mod. It's not that aggressive at all. If I had to do it all over again, I would have done Don's VB mod. BTW Shadow, I saw you twice yesterday. Once at the Post office and the other running down Five Forks.
I agree 100%. I have the transgo mod. It's not that aggressive at all. If I had to do it all over again, I would have done Don's VB mod. BTW Shadow, I saw you twice yesterday. Once at the Post office and the other running down Five Forks.
03-16-2002, 10:29 AM
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Don's VB mod >>>>>
will actually help your tranny last longer. This is true because when a tranny shifts softer it actually builds up heat in the clutches which is very bad for a tranny. Just like slipping the clutch on a manual car is really bad becasue it wears out the clutch faster and builds heat, the shifts will be smoother though. So your friends that supposedly work on cars really do not know what they are saying about the tranny having a shorter life with Don's VB mod. God Bless.
03-16-2002, 03:04 PM
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Re: Don's VB mod >>>>>
Ok, that answers the question about tranny life. Then how about the motor mounts? No damage there either, I'm assuming?
Is there any reason to get the TransGo shift kit then? If Don's is a better kit all around, what reason is there for anyone to get the TransGo kit?
Is there any reason to get the TransGo shift kit then? If Don's is a better kit all around, what reason is there for anyone to get the TransGo kit?
Originally posted by JULIAN
will actually help your tranny last longer. This is true because when a tranny shifts softer it actually builds up heat in the clutches which is very bad for a tranny. Just like slipping the clutch on a manual car is really bad becasue it wears out the clutch faster and builds heat, the shifts will be smoother though. So your friends that supposedly work on cars really do not know what they are saying about the tranny having a shorter life with Don's VB mod. God Bless.
will actually help your tranny last longer. This is true because when a tranny shifts softer it actually builds up heat in the clutches which is very bad for a tranny. Just like slipping the clutch on a manual car is really bad becasue it wears out the clutch faster and builds heat, the shifts will be smoother though. So your friends that supposedly work on cars really do not know what they are saying about the tranny having a shorter life with Don's VB mod. God Bless.
03-16-2002, 03:10 PM
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Re: Re: Don's VB mod >>>>>
Originally posted by blue96se
Is there any reason to get the TransGo shift kit then? If Don's is a better kit all around, what reason is there for anyone to get the TransGo kit?
Is there any reason to get the TransGo shift kit then? If Don's is a better kit all around, what reason is there for anyone to get the TransGo kit?
03-16-2002, 03:11 PM
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Re: Re: Don's VB mod >>>>>
Originally posted by blue96se
Ok, that answers the question about tranny life. Then how about the motor mounts? No damage there either, I'm assuming?
Is there any reason to get the TransGo shift kit then? If Don's is a better kit all around, what reason is there for anyone to get the TransGo kit?
Ok, that answers the question about tranny life. Then how about the motor mounts? No damage there either, I'm assuming?
Is there any reason to get the TransGo shift kit then? If Don's is a better kit all around, what reason is there for anyone to get the TransGo kit?
don's vb mod is $450 with a core swap. transgo is around $100 IIRC
03-16-2002, 03:57 PM
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Originally posted by blue96se
Then how about it being bad for the motor mounts and such? Since it's shifting harder?
I'm asking because I asked a couple of my local shops (who I don't trust all that much anyways) as well as several friends who have been working and tuning cars for a long time.
Everyone has been saying to keep away from Don's VB because of the concerns I just asked about: ECU confusion, shorter tranny life and damaging motor mounts due to harder shifts.
And yet, everyone on the board says it's perfectly fine.
Then how about it being bad for the motor mounts and such? Since it's shifting harder?
I'm asking because I asked a couple of my local shops (who I don't trust all that much anyways) as well as several friends who have been working and tuning cars for a long time.
Everyone has been saying to keep away from Don's VB because of the concerns I just asked about: ECU confusion, shorter tranny life and damaging motor mounts due to harder shifts.
And yet, everyone on the board says it's perfectly fine.
03-16-2002, 03:59 PM
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Re: Re: Don's VB mod >>>>>
Originally posted by blue96se
Ok, that answers the question about tranny life. Then how about the motor mounts? No damage there either, I'm assuming?
Is there any reason to get the TransGo shift kit then? If Don's is a better kit all around, what reason is there for anyone to get the TransGo kit?
Ok, that answers the question about tranny life. Then how about the motor mounts? No damage there either, I'm assuming?
Is there any reason to get the TransGo shift kit then? If Don's is a better kit all around, what reason is there for anyone to get the TransGo kit?
03-16-2002, 04:01 PM
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Don's VB mod >>>>>
Originally posted by NATE98GLE
Who the heck is this Don everyone keeps talking about? and where do you find him?
Who the heck is this Don everyone keeps talking about? and where do you find him?
03-17-2002, 10:32 AM
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Re: Re: Re: Re: transgo vb mod
Originally posted by Shadow
Oh, so you were the guy pulling in. I was trying to figure out who you were since I haven't seen your car around.
Oh, so you were the guy pulling in. I was trying to figure out who you were since I haven't seen your car around.
03-17-2002, 12:15 PM
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Another question: about improving track times.
Although Don's VB isn't marketed as a "performance mod" persay, Don says that improved track times are a by-product of the quicker shifts.
However, from the posts of people that have installed Don's VB, it seems like nobody really has that much of an improvement at the track.
But with the TransGo kit, one member improved their times by .4 seconds: http://forums.maxima.org/showthread....=transgo+track
So if one wanted to improve track times, shouldn't they go with the TransGo kit rather than spend the $450 on Don's VB?
Although Don's VB isn't marketed as a "performance mod" persay, Don says that improved track times are a by-product of the quicker shifts.
However, from the posts of people that have installed Don's VB, it seems like nobody really has that much of an improvement at the track.
But with the TransGo kit, one member improved their times by .4 seconds: http://forums.maxima.org/showthread....=transgo+track
So if one wanted to improve track times, shouldn't they go with the TransGo kit rather than spend the $450 on Don's VB?
03-17-2002, 03:00 PM
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from what I've seen on these boards, the VB mod doesn't improve track times. The TRANSGO is a reliable, basic mod that prolongs transmission life, but provides less wear and tear overall. The VB mod from Don involves redrilling and I believe leaving out some of the springs, and is much harsher in terms of daily driving. It's also a lot more money.
If all you're going for is to imporove your transmission life, it's up to you how much you want to spend.
People here suposedly haven't had related motor or tranny mount problems as a result, but the lack of decreased track times indicates that either the ECU can't keep up, or doesn't care at all.
If all you're going for is to imporove your transmission life, it's up to you how much you want to spend.
People here suposedly haven't had related motor or tranny mount problems as a result, but the lack of decreased track times indicates that either the ECU can't keep up, or doesn't care at all.
03-17-2002, 04:18 PM
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If I'm not mistaken, isn't it the TransGo kit that involves redrilling? And Don's VB is a simple swap?
However, it's my understanding that both prolong transmission life and provide less wear and tear overall.
As for the ECU, mzmtg and Nismo87SE say that the ECU is not confused.
But if the TransGo and Don's VB are similar and both firm up the shift, shouldn't the ECU then not keep up or not care with the TransGo installed?
However, it's my understanding that both prolong transmission life and provide less wear and tear overall.
As for the ECU, mzmtg and Nismo87SE say that the ECU is not confused.
But if the TransGo and Don's VB are similar and both firm up the shift, shouldn't the ECU then not keep up or not care with the TransGo installed?
Originally posted by Lime
The TRANSGO is a reliable, basic mod that prolongs transmission life, but provides less wear and tear overall. The VB mod from Don involves redrilling and I believe leaving out some of the springs, and is much harsher in terms of daily driving. It's also a lot more money.
If all you're going for is to imporove your transmission life, it's up to you how much you want to spend.
People here suposedly haven't had related motor or tranny mount problems as a result, but the lack of decreased track times indicates that either the ECU can't keep up, or doesn't care at all.
The TRANSGO is a reliable, basic mod that prolongs transmission life, but provides less wear and tear overall. The VB mod from Don involves redrilling and I believe leaving out some of the springs, and is much harsher in terms of daily driving. It's also a lot more money.
If all you're going for is to imporove your transmission life, it's up to you how much you want to spend.
People here suposedly haven't had related motor or tranny mount problems as a result, but the lack of decreased track times indicates that either the ECU can't keep up, or doesn't care at all.
03-17-2002, 04:32 PM
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Hey Lime I'm with you. As a matter of fact I am playing right now with the dropping resistor resistances to try and get a compromise between the max line pressure vs something we can live with, I am still experimenting but according to all the folklore quicker shifts mean better wear on the trans so I am trying to find a compromise between max line pressure and stock by trying different resistances. I have a whole bunch of 10w resistors of varying resistances that I am putting in series and parallel to try and find a compromise or even 3 or 4 different ones that you can switch to depending on how harsh you want the shift to be. Regardless of what turns out to be the best compromise I am still suggesting a Trans cooler because of the increased heat generated. More to follow.
03-18-2002, 05:30 AM
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The instructions on my Trans-go don't say anythiing about drilling, but maybe I'm blind. Getting old and all that.
It's up to you; probably Don's mod is easier to install, but a helluva lot more expensive for the same basic principle. If you can find a good tranyn shop that has installed the TG kits, then fine. I think overall they have the same purpose; one is merely a different feeling than the other. If someone can post pre- and post- VB mod times without ANY OTHER CHANGES showing an improved time, please correct me. I think with some other mods, any VB mod (Don or TG) will aid in speeding the time overall. But, in and of itself, the mod doesn't really change anything other than the wear on the tranny.
It's up to you; probably Don's mod is easier to install, but a helluva lot more expensive for the same basic principle. If you can find a good tranyn shop that has installed the TG kits, then fine. I think overall they have the same purpose; one is merely a different feeling than the other. If someone can post pre- and post- VB mod times without ANY OTHER CHANGES showing an improved time, please correct me. I think with some other mods, any VB mod (Don or TG) will aid in speeding the time overall. But, in and of itself, the mod doesn't really change anything other than the wear on the tranny.
03-18-2002, 06:35 AM
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Could someone please verify which (in any) involves drilling? I am quite certain that Don's VB is a simple swap.
As for wear on the tranny, there are several responses in this thread that say that transmission life is increased, not decreased. JULIAN and Nismo87SE both say that transmission life is prolonged with Don's VB.
As for wear on the tranny, there are several responses in this thread that say that transmission life is increased, not decreased. JULIAN and Nismo87SE both say that transmission life is prolonged with Don's VB.
Originally posted by Lime
The instructions on my Trans-go don't say anythiing about drilling, but maybe I'm blind. Getting old and all that.
I think with some other mods, any VB mod (Don or TG) will aid in speeding the time overall. But, in and of itself, the mod doesn't really change anything other than the wear on the tranny.
The instructions on my Trans-go don't say anythiing about drilling, but maybe I'm blind. Getting old and all that.
I think with some other mods, any VB mod (Don or TG) will aid in speeding the time overall. But, in and of itself, the mod doesn't really change anything other than the wear on the tranny.
03-18-2002, 07:58 AM
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Folks, I have the Transgo Shift kit. It does require drilling and changing springs and the like. I had the tranny shop do the entire thing when I had a total rebuild a couple of weeks ago. My personal feeling is this: From experienced members here, Don's VB mod is substantially more aggressive than the Transgo. If it makes the tranny last longer or not, I don't know. I know personally that both mod's are not just the simple things some people make them out to be. I was there with my mechanic every day my car was apart, I'm a little a*al when it comes to my baby, and I saw him with my tranny in a million pieces and he showed me what he was doing. BTW, my tranny mechanic, who has 21 yrs of only tranny exp., has told me that the transmission we have is inherently weak compared to the amount of power it has to support. I personally saw the "clutches" that my tranny got, and to be honest they looked pretty wimpy. Either way back to the point here, The transgo kit is very mild. My car has plenty of juice, literaly, and I'm actually not as impressed as I should be. It does shift quicker, but we are talking maybe in the hundreths of sec range, not anything you are going to go WOW about. If you are looking to bark seconds and launch strong, the Transgo is not the kit for you. If you are looking to get down the track quicker, then you should probably just boost your HP.
03-18-2002, 09:18 AM
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Neither of them provides a noticable difference at the track.
Both are meant to simply save the transmission. Spend what you will; HP gain/time loss on the strip will come from other mods.
Hmmm, who DOES make a good transmission...wait...oh yeah...Tremec...the only good transmissions out there are aftermarket. Trannys are made by manufacturers to last only so long, and not take much added stress. C'est la vie. I don't think anyone make an aftermarket Max tranny.
Both are meant to simply save the transmission. Spend what you will; HP gain/time loss on the strip will come from other mods.
Hmmm, who DOES make a good transmission...wait...oh yeah...Tremec...the only good transmissions out there are aftermarket. Trannys are made by manufacturers to last only so long, and not take much added stress. C'est la vie. I don't think anyone make an aftermarket Max tranny.
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