Why is everyone so excited about Frankencar intakes?
#1
Why is everyone so excited about Frankencar intakes?
I'm not trash talking Frankencar parts in anyway, but I'm constantly reading posts about people who've "ordered the Frankencar intake!!!", "my Frankencar is in the mail!!!", "the Frankencar is freaking incredible"!!!!", etc, etc. I've got a news flash, a Frankencar intake with the midpipe is going to sound NO DIFFERENT or make ANYMORE POWER than any other POP intake with a midpipe. People act as if this particular intake adds substainial sound and gains above any other intake. It doesn't. A WSP POP with midpipe sounds like my HKS POP with a midpipe which sounds like a Stillen POP with a midpipe which sounds like a JWT POP with a midpipe which sounds like a Place Racing POP with a midpipe.
Sorry, just had to vent.
Dave
Sorry, just had to vent.
Dave
#3
they were backordered for a while, everyone is getting them at the same time, everyone who gets one loves it, simple as that, and i do agree with your startement that all hybrid intakes will sound more or less the same.
#5
Originally posted by Miasma
they were backordered for a while, everyone is getting them at the same time, everyone who gets one loves it, simple as that, and i do agree with your startement that all hybrid intakes will sound more or less the same.
they were backordered for a while, everyone is getting them at the same time, everyone who gets one loves it, simple as that, and i do agree with your startement that all hybrid intakes will sound more or less the same.
#7
yeah.. people are pretty hyped when it's a very simple thing.. same cone with just a midpipe..
Can it be cheaper to put the thing together yourself though? Like buy the cone filter, adapter, midpipe and the other **** that u might need?
the midpipe is like 45$
cone filter 30$
adapter 20$..
what else do you need????
Can it be cheaper to put the thing together yourself though? Like buy the cone filter, adapter, midpipe and the other **** that u might need?
the midpipe is like 45$
cone filter 30$
adapter 20$..
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#9
Originally posted by NYCe MaXiMa
yeah.. people are pretty hyped when it's a very simple thing.. same cone with just a midpipe..
Can it be cheaper to put the thing together yourself though? Like buy the cone filter, adapter, midpipe and the other **** that u might need?
the midpipe is like 45$
cone filter 30$
adapter 20$..
what else do you need????
yeah.. people are pretty hyped when it's a very simple thing.. same cone with just a midpipe..
Can it be cheaper to put the thing together yourself though? Like buy the cone filter, adapter, midpipe and the other **** that u might need?
the midpipe is like 45$
cone filter 30$
adapter 20$..
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#10
Originally posted by BenBlanco218
Your right, that's all you need. I happened to have the Stillen/mid-pipe setup just because Stillen is something I can brag about to a non-maxima owner who has never heard of Frankencar.
Your right, that's all you need. I happened to have the Stillen/mid-pipe setup just because Stillen is something I can brag about to a non-maxima owner who has never heard of Frankencar.
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there might be a couple of clamps or something as well but it can all be found seperate.. the Frankencar is just a nice package deal you can get all together.. much credit to Steve and the others who run it.. good to have more aftermarket support in the maxima community.
#11
Re: Why is everyone so excited about Frankencar intakes?
Originally posted by Dave B
I'm not trash talking Frankencar parts in anyway, but I'm constantly reading posts about people who've "ordered the Frankencar intake!!!", "my Frankencar is in the mail!!!", "the Frankencar is freaking incredible"!!!!", etc, etc. I've got a news flash, a Frankencar intake with the midpipe is going to sound NO DIFFERENT or make ANYMORE POWER than any other POP intake with a midpipe. People act as if this particular intake adds substainial sound and gains above any other intake. It doesn't. A WSP POP with midpipe sounds like my HKS POP with a midpipe which sounds like a Stillen POP with a midpipe which sounds like a JWT POP with a midpipe which sounds like a Place Racing POP with a midpipe.
Sorry, just had to vent.
Dave
I'm not trash talking Frankencar parts in anyway, but I'm constantly reading posts about people who've "ordered the Frankencar intake!!!", "my Frankencar is in the mail!!!", "the Frankencar is freaking incredible"!!!!", etc, etc. I've got a news flash, a Frankencar intake with the midpipe is going to sound NO DIFFERENT or make ANYMORE POWER than any other POP intake with a midpipe. People act as if this particular intake adds substainial sound and gains above any other intake. It doesn't. A WSP POP with midpipe sounds like my HKS POP with a midpipe which sounds like a Stillen POP with a midpipe which sounds like a JWT POP with a midpipe which sounds like a Place Racing POP with a midpipe.
Sorry, just had to vent.
Dave
1) Had some fitment problems with the midpipe. All of it has been worked out. I posted and reposted on my own thread, and hope to take care of the questions for the next batch of guys who receive their midpipes.
2) I reviewed it. Typical gains like everyone else. Really like the sound. Noticed it has a CAI type sound up close.
3) I waited for a long while for it, and I had to vent about the waiting period.
I am a bit annoyed though, there have been many redundant questions about installs and all, and I have two very big threads exclusively to installation, with pics, and my solutions to the problems as they occured.
#12
Re: Why is everyone so excited about Frankencar intakes?
Originally posted by Dave B
than any other POP intake with a midpipe
than any other POP intake with a midpipe
#13
Re: Why is everyone so excited about Frankencar intakes?
Originally posted by Dave B
I'm not trash talking Frankencar parts in anyway, but I'm constantly reading posts about people who've "ordered the Frankencar intake!!!", "my Frankencar is in the mail!!!", "the Frankencar is freaking incredible"!!!!", etc, etc. I've got a news flash, a Frankencar intake with the midpipe is going to sound NO DIFFERENT or make ANYMORE POWER than any other POP intake with a midpipe. People act as if this particular intake adds substainial sound and gains above any other intake. It doesn't. A WSP POP with midpipe sounds like my HKS POP with a midpipe which sounds like a Stillen POP with a midpipe which sounds like a JWT POP with a midpipe which sounds like a Place Racing POP with a midpipe.
Sorry, just had to vent.
Dave
I'm not trash talking Frankencar parts in anyway, but I'm constantly reading posts about people who've "ordered the Frankencar intake!!!", "my Frankencar is in the mail!!!", "the Frankencar is freaking incredible"!!!!", etc, etc. I've got a news flash, a Frankencar intake with the midpipe is going to sound NO DIFFERENT or make ANYMORE POWER than any other POP intake with a midpipe. People act as if this particular intake adds substainial sound and gains above any other intake. It doesn't. A WSP POP with midpipe sounds like my HKS POP with a midpipe which sounds like a Stillen POP with a midpipe which sounds like a JWT POP with a midpipe which sounds like a Place Racing POP with a midpipe.
Sorry, just had to vent.
Dave
#14
To everyone else:
You could do this yourself but Steve decided to produce them and make some money too. If you don't want to give him your money, don't buy it. If you want a good intake setup, then go for it. All he did was add something else to the Maxima market for us to add to the Max and we need more of that around here. We don't own Hondas so we don't have a lot of aftermarket stuff out there.
You could do this yourself but Steve decided to produce them and make some money too. If you don't want to give him your money, don't buy it. If you want a good intake setup, then go for it. All he did was add something else to the Maxima market for us to add to the Max and we need more of that around here. We don't own Hondas so we don't have a lot of aftermarket stuff out there.
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Originally posted by deezo
To everyone else:
You could do this yourself but Steve decided to produce them and make some money too. If you don't want to give him your money, don't buy it. If you want a good intake setup, then go for it. All he did was add something else to the Maxima market for us to add to the Max and we need more of that around here. We don't own Hondas so we don't have a lot of aftermarket stuff out there.
To everyone else:
You could do this yourself but Steve decided to produce them and make some money too. If you don't want to give him your money, don't buy it. If you want a good intake setup, then go for it. All he did was add something else to the Maxima market for us to add to the Max and we need more of that around here. We don't own Hondas so we don't have a lot of aftermarket stuff out there.
The installation was easy thanks to the included instructions. If it were not for the ease and pricing of the Frankencar midpipe, I probably would have paid someone else to do it for me in addition to buying a $54 midpipe from ebay and buying longer hoses and wasting time.
#16
Originally posted by NYCe MaXiMa
yeah.. people are pretty hyped when it's a very simple thing.. same cone with just a midpipe..
Can it be cheaper to put the thing together yourself though? Like buy the cone filter, adapter, midpipe and the other **** that u might need?
the midpipe is like 45$
cone filter 30$
adapter 20$..
what else do you need????
yeah.. people are pretty hyped when it's a very simple thing.. same cone with just a midpipe..
Can it be cheaper to put the thing together yourself though? Like buy the cone filter, adapter, midpipe and the other **** that u might need?
the midpipe is like 45$
cone filter 30$
adapter 20$..
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My $99 Hybrid intake from dohccivicna1250 is on with a velocity stack & a K&N filter.
I am glad there are more products for the Maxima from more companys and I would rather give my money to an .org member if all else was equal. To me the Frankencar intake looks a little 'homemade' but if the person buying it likes it than that is the important thing.
The Frankencar is a lot cheaper than buying a Place Racing upper tube and filter or even the Warpspeed upper pipe and filter but I still don't see what all the excitement is about either. If it came with a Velocity stack and looked a little more finished I would be a lot more excited.
#17
Re: Why is everyone so excited about Frankencar intakes?
Originally posted by Dave B
I'm not trash talking Frankencar parts in anyway, but I'm constantly reading posts about people who've "ordered the Frankencar intake!!!", "my Frankencar is in the mail!!!", "the Frankencar is freaking incredible"!!!!", etc, etc. I've got a news flash, a Frankencar intake with the midpipe is going to sound NO DIFFERENT or make ANYMORE POWER than any other POP intake with a midpipe. People act as if this particular intake adds substainial sound and gains above any other intake. It doesn't. A WSP POP with midpipe sounds like my HKS POP with a midpipe which sounds like a Stillen POP with a midpipe which sounds like a JWT POP with a midpipe which sounds like a Place Racing POP with a midpipe.
Sorry, just had to vent.
Dave
I'm not trash talking Frankencar parts in anyway, but I'm constantly reading posts about people who've "ordered the Frankencar intake!!!", "my Frankencar is in the mail!!!", "the Frankencar is freaking incredible"!!!!", etc, etc. I've got a news flash, a Frankencar intake with the midpipe is going to sound NO DIFFERENT or make ANYMORE POWER than any other POP intake with a midpipe. People act as if this particular intake adds substainial sound and gains above any other intake. It doesn't. A WSP POP with midpipe sounds like my HKS POP with a midpipe which sounds like a Stillen POP with a midpipe which sounds like a JWT POP with a midpipe which sounds like a Place Racing POP with a midpipe.
Sorry, just had to vent.
Dave
#18
Re: Re: Why is everyone so excited about Frankencar intakes?
Originally posted by DaddyMac
I see your fustration, but have you heard all the brands side by side to make that comparison ?
I see your fustration, but have you heard all the brands side by side to make that comparison ?
As for making a POP with midpipe yourself, it would be very easy and the most expensive part is the filter (~$20-30). If you know how to weld, you could make everything quite easily. You use 3" truck-spec radiator hose for the flex points ($5 / 1'), heavy duty band clamps (5@$2), 3" thin wall piping (Impala SS guys use the long chrome truck exhaust pipes and cut them, $20), and a filter ($20-30). With welding experience, you could make a quality looking setup for ~$60. I think all the brands are way overpriced, but that's just the way the aftermarket is.
Dave
Dave
#19
Originally posted by bmxsteve
Hey dave, this is a little o/t but have you got your VI on yet? I cant wait to see your times, especially since your an experienced track driver. MUCH respect. ~Steve
Hey dave, this is a little o/t but have you got your VI on yet? I cant wait to see your times, especially since your an experienced track driver. MUCH respect. ~Steve
Dave
#20
Originally posted by NYCe MaXiMa
yeah.. people are pretty hyped when it's a very simple thing.. same cone with just a midpipe..
Can it be cheaper to put the thing together yourself though? Like buy the cone filter, adapter, midpipe and the other **** that u might need?
what else do you need????
yeah.. people are pretty hyped when it's a very simple thing.. same cone with just a midpipe..
Can it be cheaper to put the thing together yourself though? Like buy the cone filter, adapter, midpipe and the other **** that u might need?
![Confused](https://maxima.org/forums/images/smilies/confused.gif)
- My "ghetto-fied" intake is just a K&N cone filter with a piece of wood as the adapter plate. The "adapter plate" was the only tricky thing... The cone filter itself was designed to bolt onto a Cavalier, or something, so my friend and I had to devise a way to get the cone filter bolted on to a plate, which would then both onto the MAF sensor. We just picked up a piece of wood from Home Depot, bored it out with a saw/drill thingamajig from his Dad's garage, and drilled holes in it. It works fine - and no, it hasn't caught on fire... yet. ;-)'
- Oh, we also had to tape the intake air temperature sensor onto the assembly. No big deal - but it certainly doesn't look show-car great. I only did it for the sound (the car's too damn quiet, as you know), not the power. Speaking of which, I didn't notice any change in the power - not even throttle response. Its just enough noise so that I can hear it with my helmet on. My car's still a Sleeper.
#21
Re: Re: Re: Why is everyone so excited about Frankencar intakes?
Originally posted by Dave B
Pretty much, yes. It's all the same design. You've got a filter, some straight pipe, and you pull the resonator. I was probably one of the first few in this org to run a POP charger (HKS) with a midpipe full time. I did this mod about 2 years ago. Most people run the POP intakes with the stock resonator (ie no midpipe). With the resonator in place, the sound sound is more raspy and high strung. With the midpipe installed the sound is deeper and less raspy. It sounds very much like a CAI. I posted this years ago and many others did too, but people are acting as if running a midpipe is a new thing. I just get tired of reading the same stuff over and over again. It's a POP intake, regardless of who makes it, the power gains and sound will be the same.
As for making a POP with midpipe yourself, it would be very easy and the most expensive part is the filter (~$20-30). If you know how to weld, you could make everything quite easily. You use 3" truck-spec radiator hose for the flex points ($5 / 1'), heavy duty band clamps (5@$2), 3" thin wall piping (Impala SS guys use the long chrome truck exhaust pipes and cut them, $20), and a filter ($20-30). With welding experience, you could make a quality looking setup for ~$60. I think all the brands are way overpriced, but that's just the way the aftermarket is.
Dave
Dave
Pretty much, yes. It's all the same design. You've got a filter, some straight pipe, and you pull the resonator. I was probably one of the first few in this org to run a POP charger (HKS) with a midpipe full time. I did this mod about 2 years ago. Most people run the POP intakes with the stock resonator (ie no midpipe). With the resonator in place, the sound sound is more raspy and high strung. With the midpipe installed the sound is deeper and less raspy. It sounds very much like a CAI. I posted this years ago and many others did too, but people are acting as if running a midpipe is a new thing. I just get tired of reading the same stuff over and over again. It's a POP intake, regardless of who makes it, the power gains and sound will be the same.
As for making a POP with midpipe yourself, it would be very easy and the most expensive part is the filter (~$20-30). If you know how to weld, you could make everything quite easily. You use 3" truck-spec radiator hose for the flex points ($5 / 1'), heavy duty band clamps (5@$2), 3" thin wall piping (Impala SS guys use the long chrome truck exhaust pipes and cut them, $20), and a filter ($20-30). With welding experience, you could make a quality looking setup for ~$60. I think all the brands are way overpriced, but that's just the way the aftermarket is.
Dave
Dave
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Is 3" radiatior hose the best thing to use for a coupling? Does it fit over the MAF too? 3" plumbing clamps are actually 3 1/4".
So you don't think a velocity stack is necessary or benificial or is there one in the HKS intake?
#22
I just ordered a Frankencar, and I agree that it's the same as the other POP/midpipes and pretty much the same as the CAI.
I am just excited to get it!!! C'mon, anyone who's ever bought any mod knows the thrill!
I am just excited to get it!!! C'mon, anyone who's ever bought any mod knows the thrill!
#23
The hybrid intake has been done before but wasn't massed produced by anyone. So why get upset when people rave about it? I mean really!!!!
People have reason to be happy.
Dave, why are you hating?? You should have produced them 2 years ago then.
People have reason to be happy.
Dave, why are you hating?? You should have produced them 2 years ago then.
#24
Eventhough, there are a lot of people on the org. who can build a hybrid intake themselves, thanks Steve and everyone else at Frankencar. I became impatient, and had a friend build my itake with a midpipe, but the fact that you guys at frankencar are putting out another line for maxima owners is great. Maybe you guys could expand and develop other goodies for the max. The more companies, the stronger competition, in turn means more and better products for the consumer which all of us. Just my .02 between
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#25
Originally posted by deezo
The hybrid intake has been done before but wasn't massed produced by anyone. So why get upset when people rave about it? I mean really!!!!
People have reason to be happy.
Dave, why are you hating?? You should have produced them 2 years ago then.
The hybrid intake has been done before but wasn't massed produced by anyone. So why get upset when people rave about it? I mean really!!!!
People have reason to be happy.
Dave, why are you hating?? You should have produced them 2 years ago then.
Steve, like no one else, is very dedicated to what he's doing. This was a great opportunity for him to prove that he's a true car enthusiast.
#26
Originally posted by AndyXXL
My thoughts exactly.
Steve, like no one else, is very dedicated to what he's doing. This was a great opportunity for him to prove that he's a true car enthusiast.
My thoughts exactly.
Steve, like no one else, is very dedicated to what he's doing. This was a great opportunity for him to prove that he's a true car enthusiast.
#27
Originally posted by deezo
Earl MacPherson created the front strut in 1947 and he was probably dissed when he started mass producing them too.
Earl MacPherson created the front strut in 1947 and he was probably dissed when he started mass producing them too.
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#29
i made my own intake... a lot of trouble i didn't expect such as getting the supplies, and additional ones like hoses and clamps. If you have the money, buy a Frankencar. If you like sawing metal and sweating and frustration, make your own.
#31
Re: Re: Re: Re: Why is everyone so excited about Frankencar intakes?
HKS's use a foam filter, so the foam straightens/smoothens the airflow pretty well, un-like the K&N/Apexi/Paper filters on the ends of all the other short ram filters.
DW
DW
Originally posted by Anachronism
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So you don't think a velocity stack is necessary or benificial or is there one in the HKS intake?
. . . . .
So you don't think a velocity stack is necessary or benificial or is there one in the HKS intake?
#33
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Why is everyone so excited about Frankencar intakes?
Foam straigntens out airflow? I haven't seen any data to support that. In fact, IMHO foam filters(w/o at least the aid of some type of oil) are very poor filtration elements.
Originally posted by dwapenyi
HKS's use a foam filter, so the foam straightens/smoothens the airflow pretty well, un-like the K&N/Apexi/Paper filters on the ends of all the other short ram filters.
DW
HKS's use a foam filter, so the foam straightens/smoothens the airflow pretty well, un-like the K&N/Apexi/Paper filters on the ends of all the other short ram filters.
DW
#34
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Why is everyone so excited about Frankencar intakes?
Originally posted by dwapenyi
HKS's use a foam filter, so the foam straightens/smoothens the airflow pretty well, un-like the K&N/Apexi/Paper filters on the ends of all the other short ram filters.
DW
HKS's use a foam filter, so the foam straightens/smoothens the airflow pretty well, un-like the K&N/Apexi/Paper filters on the ends of all the other short ram filters.
DW
Dave
#35
Originally posted by deezo
The hybrid intake has been done before but wasn't massed produced by anyone. So why get upset when people rave about it? I mean really!!!!
People have reason to be happy.
Dave, why are you hating?? You should have produced them 2 years ago then.
The hybrid intake has been done before but wasn't massed produced by anyone. So why get upset when people rave about it? I mean really!!!!
People have reason to be happy.
Dave, why are you hating?? You should have produced them 2 years ago then.
I'm not upset in any way that people are running "hybrid intakes". I don't claim to be the originator of the setup
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My gripe about all these Frankencar posts is that I don't see the point in them. People rip on newbies because they post CAI and POP questions, but somehow these Frankencar posts go unquestioned. I think they are waste of space, IMO. There's nothing special about the Frankencar intake other than that it's cheaper than the others.
Dave
#36
Originally posted by Dave B
Look closely at the beginning of my first post, "I'm not trash talking Frankencar parts in anyway.......".
Dave
Look closely at the beginning of my first post, "I'm not trash talking Frankencar parts in anyway.......".
Dave
#38
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Why is everyone so excited about Frankencar intakes?
Straightening and filtering are the same thing? I agree with you Jeff, I prefer the good ole K&N.
DaveB, I've seen the HKS velocity stack;
http://www.hksusa.com/images/?id=1125
Compared to the JWT, Stillen, it's fairly light on the straightening;
http://www.jimwolftechnology.com/poprest.htm
It's more a support to hold the foam onto.
DW
DaveB, I've seen the HKS velocity stack;
http://www.hksusa.com/images/?id=1125
Compared to the JWT, Stillen, it's fairly light on the straightening;
http://www.jimwolftechnology.com/poprest.htm
It's more a support to hold the foam onto.
DW
Originally posted by Jeff92se
Foam straigntens out airflow? I haven't seen any data to support that. In fact, IMHO foam filters(w/o at least the aid of some type of oil) are very poor filtration elements.
Foam straigntens out airflow? I haven't seen any data to support that. In fact, IMHO foam filters(w/o at least the aid of some type of oil) are very poor filtration elements.