When I was putting on my intake I almost decided not to put on the JWT cuz I didn't have the bracket to support it. I was going to just put the midpipe on and connect it to the Stock air intake box. After messing with it for a bit I found that I could use the lower part of the stock intake box to support the JWT cone so I did that.
I was wondering if anyone has triued the midpipe and the stock air intake box, and what the effect is.

Kevin

 

It's worth a try since it's so simple. I'm not sure if the midpipe would be the perfect length to put the top of the airbox back on though.
-Cyrus

 

I think it would be louder because you are replacing a plastic part with an aluminum part... You might gain a little less than 1hp because you are taking out the accordian section, which takes out turbulance just before the TB.

 

im sure it would wourd i dunno what kinda horsepower gains you would see though

 

High HP would be not too much more than stock, but wouldn't low end torque be increased?

 

I just converted my cai to hybrid intake the other day. I too was with out a braket and worried about the intake moving around. I found a quick fix with stuff laing round the garage. I took a little strip of this perferated metal that comes in a roll for securing pluming pipes. I secured it to the back lower bolt where the maff bolts to the adapter plate (not between the addapter and maff, but sandwiched between the nut and the addapter). Then I used one of the hole and bolts left from the removal of the stock air box to scure the base of the bracket. I doubled the strips and now the filter isnt going any where but it still has a little give when the engine moves. Its ghetto but you cant see it at all and its better then risking it falling off. ( I know this wasnt your question but I thought it might help b/c I was in a similar situation) The staping is like 1.25 for more then you will ever need in a life time at lowes or HD.

 

Do you have your track times from the cai and the hybrid?

I just converted from PRCAI to a hybrid too.

 

I actually have never been to the track even though there is one here in town. I thought about going to the track and making a run and then going in the parking lot and converting it, but dure to my lack of track exp it would have been totaly unreliable. How do you like your hybrid? I think I am going to keep this set up. Speaking totaly from my unreliable seat of the pants dyno I have to say I did feel a loss of power in the low end. When driving around town the strong tq in the sub 3k part of the power band lacked the immediate pull it had before. However I think the "new" high end makes up for it. It pulls much harder and longer from 3k now. I am happy with the hybrid but, I cant say I personally didnt loose any low end like a lot of other people have asserted. By the way I have a 96' W/ a y-pipe, and a rear section only muffler. Oh and I also noticed a little more pull all over the rpm's after driving 300miles back to school.

 

I converted to a hybrid because I didn't want to fight with the wheel well lining everytime I needed to clean the filter. I was at the track last week, and I got a trap of 84, with my hybrid.. There was another 98 with exact same mods, but he has cold air, and he got 88. I know there can't be that big of a difference between cold air and hybrid (I really dont know which one's better), my 84 is an oddity, and I'm gonna run the 1/4 again to see if I can get a better trap.

Cultr7,(he is a dc member with a 2k) got a better 1/4 with his stock intake than his birk intake. He is a good and consistent driver. It gets incredibly hot in the engine bay..
I'm a believer in "AN INTAKE IS AN INTAKE IS AN INTAKE", but this 84 trap is getting in my head now.... I need to get more N/A runs versus hybrid and cold air..

 

Living in arizona were there it never ending dust, im thinking of changing back to my stock air box. I had the carbon build up removed from my car and now it never felt better. Is my problem that I have to clean and oil the filter more often ...if so how often ? thanks for your help ...

 

i can't help you there, but I do have a question. How did you do the carbon removal thing? Did you get it done at a shop? if so, how much?

As far as your dust problem, I'd think that a stock airbox with the stock air filters will catch those microsized dusts better than the K&N filter.

 

I tried to build my own upper intake pipe with a 3" exhaust pipe while still using the stock airbox. All I can say fitment is a pain because the exhaust pipe needs to be bent a few degrees for proper fitment. After I gave up on my own idea, I talked to Matt from Frankencar and he said their upper intake pipe would not fit with the stock air box. There isnt enough room to fit the upper intake pipe and the stock air box. It may be possible to cut the Franken pipe shorter but you run the chance of ruining a $60 part and fitment still might be a problem.

 

Couldn't you just cut your 3" exhaust pipe on an angle?

 

No it has to be bent at the center of the pipe by about about 10~15 degrees to line up with the rubber coupling attached to the MAF. I dont have to bend it to get it to fit in but I am a perfectionist when it comes to stuff like that. With the pipe straight it goes in but the rubber seals on the coupling didnt look like they had a air tight seal so I decided to not go with it.

 

This may seem counter intuitive, but perhaps using the stock accordian coupler with the midpipe (to allow flex and bend) may solve the problem.

RL

 

Nope I used the accordian coupler and still had fitment issues, It might have worked but I wasnt happy with the fitment. It flexed with enough angle to get the job done but the rubber couplers were uneven, had open gaps which wasnt air tight, and I wasnt happy with the way it looked. Also I didnt have much room for the 3 intake hoses with the rubber couplers, I could've used you breather filters for the two larger hoses but I didnt even get that far.

 

What about this mid-pipe on ebay??? It has a bent to it and it's not long either.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=1855339943

 

I couldnt afford it if I wanted it anyway. Also why are there four pipes sticking out of the thing? There should only be three pipes not four from what I remember. Also I think that thing wouldnt work with the stock airbox it looks to big.

 

These intakes were discussed a little while ago, some members have them. Some people were using that fourth hole to connect to the transmission vent. If you don't hook it to that, cap it off.

 

Hey, was this with the Frankencar or with a custom? What if you were to cut the pipe a bit shorter?

 

This pipe was a homemade one made from a 3" exhaust pipe. The homemade dealy will work well with a aftermarket cone filter but not with the stock airbox. I asked Matt from Frankencar about their upper intake and he said it wouldn't work with the stock airbox. If I cut the Frankencar pipe it may work, but I dont wanna spend what little money I have and potentialy waste a perfectly good part. All in all I dont think its worth it to replace the stock upper intake with an aftermarket one, while keeping the stock airbox as is. Its only gonna make more noise and give you a little better throttle response and if your lucky maybe an extra 1 or 2 hp.