Parents approved springs/struts...help me decide what I should order tonight...
09-26-2002, 04:48 PM
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Parents approved springs/struts...help me decide what I should order tonight...
Yay! I convinced my parents to let me get new springs/struts!
I'm going to get the KYB-AGXs, no question, but I'm still trying to decide on the springs. I want the best handling springs w/o going to coilovers. I've limited it down to Eibach ($220) or Sprints ($130).
I'm leaning towards Eibach since they seem to have the reputation, quality, and just the right amount of drop. Plus, I like the fact that they are more even of a drop, and I wouldn't have to cut a coil to even it out like I would with Sprints since I'm an automagic.
I'm still considering the Sprints because they are $90 cheaper of southwestautoworks.com and have a little lower drop. Only thing I'm worried about out is it being too low that I might rub with a full car, and of course the hassle of cutting the springs in the back.
Tell me what you guys think.
I'm going to get the KYB-AGXs, no question, but I'm still trying to decide on the springs. I want the best handling springs w/o going to coilovers. I've limited it down to Eibach ($220) or Sprints ($130).
I'm leaning towards Eibach since they seem to have the reputation, quality, and just the right amount of drop. Plus, I like the fact that they are more even of a drop, and I wouldn't have to cut a coil to even it out like I would with Sprints since I'm an automagic.
I'm still considering the Sprints because they are $90 cheaper of southwestautoworks.com and have a little lower drop. Only thing I'm worried about out is it being too low that I might rub with a full car, and of course the hassle of cutting the springs in the back.
Tell me what you guys think.
09-26-2002, 06:14 PM
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Re: Re: Parents approved springs/struts...help me decide what I should order tonight...
Originally posted by seximagtr
sprints.....
sprints.....
09-26-2002, 06:57 PM
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Re: Parents approved springs/struts...help me decide what I should order tonight...
Originally posted by sidewinder740
Yay! I convinced my parents to let me get new springs/struts!
I'm going to get the KYB-AGXs, no question, but I'm still trying to decide on the springs. I want the best handling springs w/o going to coilovers. I've limited it down to Eibach ($220) or Sprints ($130).
I'm leaning towards Eibach since they seem to have the reputation, quality, and just the right amount of drop. Plus, I like the fact that they are more even of a drop, and I wouldn't have to cut a coil to even it out like I would with Sprints since I'm an automagic.
I'm still considering the Sprints because they are $90 cheaper of southwestautoworks.com and have a little lower drop. Only thing I'm worried about out is it being too low that I might rub with a full car, and of course the hassle of cutting the springs in the back.
Tell me what you guys think.
Yay! I convinced my parents to let me get new springs/struts!
I'm going to get the KYB-AGXs, no question, but I'm still trying to decide on the springs. I want the best handling springs w/o going to coilovers. I've limited it down to Eibach ($220) or Sprints ($130).
I'm leaning towards Eibach since they seem to have the reputation, quality, and just the right amount of drop. Plus, I like the fact that they are more even of a drop, and I wouldn't have to cut a coil to even it out like I would with Sprints since I'm an automagic.
I'm still considering the Sprints because they are $90 cheaper of southwestautoworks.com and have a little lower drop. Only thing I'm worried about out is it being too low that I might rub with a full car, and of course the hassle of cutting the springs in the back.
Tell me what you guys think.
09-26-2002, 07:11 PM
#11
Originally posted by Nismo98
Why not go with Intrax. I'll right in the middle of what you looking for.
Andrei
Why not go with Intrax. I'll right in the middle of what you looking for.
Andrei
09-26-2002, 07:15 PM
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IMO,
Eibachs were meant to go with AGX's . I had them for a while with Tokico's but the Tok's were too soft for them. H&R's are great with aGX's but if you want the ultimate handling go with the Eibachs. Not sure how Sprints compare handling wise.
Kevin
FYI...Eibachs that wre manufactured in 1999 and later are much lower then prevoius Eibachs.
Eibachs were meant to go with AGX's . I had them for a while with Tokico's but the Tok's were too soft for them. H&R's are great with aGX's but if you want the ultimate handling go with the Eibachs. Not sure how Sprints compare handling wise.
Kevin
FYI...Eibachs that wre manufactured in 1999 and later are much lower then prevoius Eibachs.
09-26-2002, 07:33 PM
#16
Originally posted by sidewinder740
Lets count...
Sprints:
seximagtr
SprintMax
Eibachs:
mzmtg
nixima
Supermachoman
Kevin
Lets count...
Sprints:
seximagtr
SprintMax
Eibachs:
mzmtg
nixima
Supermachoman
Kevin
and i counted Nismo98 because he said intrax and they are basically like sprint
09-26-2002, 07:37 PM
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Originally posted by SprintMax
I counted max1ma97se because he owns them
and i counted Nismo98 because he said intrax and they are basically like sprint
I counted max1ma97se because he owns them
and i counted Nismo98 because he said intrax and they are basically like sprint
09-26-2002, 08:22 PM
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Re: Re: Re: Parents approved springs/struts...help me decide what I should order toni
Originally posted by mzmtg
Eibachs. Sprints are too low. You need to retain at least some suspension travel...
Eibachs. Sprints are too low. You need to retain at least some suspension travel...
09-26-2002, 10:18 PM
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i say get B&Gs....definately sumthing perfectly in the middle of wut ur looking for...and theyre 159 at shox.com...1.6 drop all around, not harsh and theyre a great thick heavy strong spring, theyre red so they match with the AGX..and i love them as have many of the B&G/AGX owners!!
09-26-2002, 11:20 PM
#22
Eibachs.
Perfect drop, awesome handling. What the heck you need the car so low for? You aren't working for the city and paving their roads anyway. Don't go for looks, go for handling, that's what springs are meant to be.
Tifosi
Perfect drop, awesome handling. What the heck you need the car so low for? You aren't working for the city and paving their roads anyway. Don't go for looks, go for handling, that's what springs are meant to be.
Tifosi
09-27-2002, 07:30 AM
#27
Originally posted by sidewinder740
Thanks guys! I'm going to go with Eibachs!
Thanks guys! I'm going to go with Eibachs!
But remember, you are putting on real performance oriented springs and dampers. We don't want you to come back complaining about how stiff the ride is after you install the stuff. It's not unbearable, or even uncomfortable, but it is MUCH stiffer than stock. After a couple of days, you will really appreciate how well your car handles. 90mph lane changes and freeway ramps are fun now....not that we condone any sort of illegal or irresponsible activity...
09-27-2002, 07:45 AM
#28
Originally posted by NyC97Max
i say get B&Gs....definately sumthing perfectly in the middle of wut ur looking for...and theyre 159 at shox.com...1.6 drop all around, not harsh and theyre a great thick heavy strong spring, theyre red so they match with the AGX..and i love them as have many of the B&G/AGX owners!!
i say get B&Gs....definately sumthing perfectly in the middle of wut ur looking for...and theyre 159 at shox.com...1.6 drop all around, not harsh and theyre a great thick heavy strong spring, theyre red so they match with the AGX..and i love them as have many of the B&G/AGX owners!!
The only downside to Eibach's is that it doesn't look lowered, unless it's next to a stock maxima. As for B&G's dropping 1.6in, it might actually be a little more, like 1.8in.
09-27-2002, 08:06 AM
#30
"don't low enough"?
Sprints are too low. The Maxima, even at stock ride height, has relatively little suspension travel. Going down 2 inches with Sprints gives up too much.
Sprints are for rice boys who think looking lower is more important than handling better...
Sprints are too low. The Maxima, even at stock ride height, has relatively little suspension travel. Going down 2 inches with Sprints gives up too much.
Sprints are for rice boys who think looking lower is more important than handling better...
09-27-2002, 08:27 AM
#31
Originally posted by mzmtg
Sprints are for rice boys who think looking lower is more important than handling better...
Sprints are for rice boys who think looking lower is more important than handling better...
09-27-2002, 10:00 AM
#34
Ben is getting old and can't handle the ride of Sprints..
my Sprints out handle my H&R ten times over.. and since 2 inches is too low.. what about people with coilovers @ 3 inches and lower
in my opinion.. the maxima is way too high to begin with.. look at most sports cars.. vette.. bmw's.. even VW GTI's .. they have 1 1/2 inch of wheel gap stock .. and thats even less wheel gap than a maxima with sprints..
FYI.. Ben you of all people should know a lower center of gravity gives better handling
my Sprints out handle my H&R ten times over.. and since 2 inches is too low.. what about people with coilovers @ 3 inches and lower
in my opinion.. the maxima is way too high to begin with.. look at most sports cars.. vette.. bmw's.. even VW GTI's .. they have 1 1/2 inch of wheel gap stock .. and thats even less wheel gap than a maxima with sprints..
FYI.. Ben you of all people should know a lower center of gravity gives better handling
09-27-2002, 10:23 AM
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Originally posted by SprintMax
in my opinion.. the maxima is way too high to begin with.. look at most sports cars.. vette.. bmw's.. even VW GTI's .. they have 1 1/2 inch of wheel gap stock .. and thats even less wheel gap than a maxima with sprints..
in my opinion.. the maxima is way too high to begin with.. look at most sports cars.. vette.. bmw's.. even VW GTI's .. they have 1 1/2 inch of wheel gap stock .. and thats even less wheel gap than a maxima with sprints..
Originally posted by SprintMax
FYI.. Ben you of all people should know a lower center of gravity gives better handling
FYI.. Ben you of all people should know a lower center of gravity gives better handling
Originally posted by mzmtg
Sprints do not handle all that well. This stems from the fact that they are too low. If you are corning at 100% lateral grip and hit a bump that bottoms out the Sprints, you'll spin right off the road. Not good. With the Eibachs (which I dont think are harsh), the handling is better than Sprint because you have more wheel travel. Mid-corner bumps are not so dangerous anymore.
Lower is not always better. With the MacPherson strut suspension system we have, lowering causes problems. As you go down, the roll center gets lower much faster than the center of gravity. Having the roll center so low drastically increases body roll. Simple example (I have no idea if these numbers are correct, but you get the idea):
STOCK
Center of Gravity (CG) height - 8 inches
Roll Center (RC) height - 7 inches
This means that under lateral ecceleration, the CG on has a 1 inch long lever to push on.
SPRINTS
CG height - 6 inches (2 inch drop springs)
RC height - 3 inches
Now the CG has a 3 inch long lever to push on.
When you apply the same force to the longer lever...you end up with more body roll. To counteract this inherent increase in body roll, you have to raise the spring rate (stiffness) a lot. This results in a bad ride.
Sprints do not handle all that well. This stems from the fact that they are too low. If you are corning at 100% lateral grip and hit a bump that bottoms out the Sprints, you'll spin right off the road. Not good. With the Eibachs (which I dont think are harsh), the handling is better than Sprint because you have more wheel travel. Mid-corner bumps are not so dangerous anymore.
Lower is not always better. With the MacPherson strut suspension system we have, lowering causes problems. As you go down, the roll center gets lower much faster than the center of gravity. Having the roll center so low drastically increases body roll. Simple example (I have no idea if these numbers are correct, but you get the idea):
STOCK
Center of Gravity (CG) height - 8 inches
Roll Center (RC) height - 7 inches
This means that under lateral ecceleration, the CG on has a 1 inch long lever to push on.
SPRINTS
CG height - 6 inches (2 inch drop springs)
RC height - 3 inches
Now the CG has a 3 inch long lever to push on.
When you apply the same force to the longer lever...you end up with more body roll. To counteract this inherent increase in body roll, you have to raise the spring rate (stiffness) a lot. This results in a bad ride.
09-27-2002, 10:38 AM
#36
Originally posted by mzmtg
Yes, we have more wheel well gap than those cars, but we have less suspension travel, especially in the rear.
Yes, we have more wheel well gap than those cars, but we have less suspension travel, especially in the rear.
Originally posted by mzmtg
There's more to it than that...to quote myself from a long time ago:
There's more to it than that...to quote myself from a long time ago:
but bottom line is.. my sprints handle excellent.. something i am noting here.. you had sprints with your stock GXE hubs.. i almost lost it around a turn with my GXE hubs while i was on sprint springs.. i blamed it on being used to my 235/40 tires... however.. my car never handled any different when i ran them on H&R's.. maybe Sprint don't handle well on skinny tires 
but let me put it this way.. on my 15 inch GXE hubs.. my H&R's out handled my Sprint.. on my 18 inch Rims.. my Sprints out handle my H&R
09-27-2002, 11:17 AM
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by sidewinder740 Since every one put in their 2 cents, I will just tell you that I have Eibachs, and AGX combo. Oh did I tell you I am a family man, who occationally carry my parents too. FYI , I had to tell people that I droped the car; they could not tell with the ride quality. MY settings are 2 front , 2 back on the AGX. I used to have 1, all around but it was too soft ,(no handling).
Note, becareful what u wish for ; you might just get it! (GET IT?).
Lets count...
Sprints:
seximagtr
SprintMax
Eibachs:
mzmtg
nixima
Supermachoman
Kevin [/QUOTE
Note, becareful what u wish for ; you might just get it! (GET IT?).
Lets count...
Sprints:
seximagtr
SprintMax
Eibachs:
mzmtg
nixima
Supermachoman
Kevin [/QUOTE
09-27-2002, 12:01 PM
#40
ive owned both eibachs and sprints.
burned me cause i spent 200+$ on springs just to have everyone say " when are you going to lower it?"
140.00 later and i have some sprints which drop it perfect(in the front) and handle fine.
i dont understand what you guys mean by handle better. if they are any differences i cant notice them. it feels better lowered around turns compared to stock though. handling wise the eibachs and sprints are about the same to me. never really paid that much attetion to them.
also i bought my eibachs in 2000 and they were high (almost stock) in the front. i knew few guys who had eibachs that had nice even drops and i was puzzled. swafford98 bought some eibachs off of some on the board and he had the same problem as my eibachs.
bags bought eibachs brand new in 2001 and they are just as low all around as my sprints.
go figure. eibachs diffinetly come in two drops.
burned me cause i spent 200+$ on springs just to have everyone say " when are you going to lower it?"
140.00 later and i have some sprints which drop it perfect(in the front) and handle fine.
i dont understand what you guys mean by handle better. if they are any differences i cant notice them. it feels better lowered around turns compared to stock though. handling wise the eibachs and sprints are about the same to me. never really paid that much attetion to them.
also i bought my eibachs in 2000 and they were high (almost stock) in the front. i knew few guys who had eibachs that had nice even drops and i was puzzled. swafford98 bought some eibachs off of some on the board and he had the same problem as my eibachs.
bags bought eibachs brand new in 2001 and they are just as low all around as my sprints.
go figure. eibachs diffinetly come in two drops.