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Old Sep 26, 2002 | 04:48 PM
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Parents approved springs/struts...help me decide what I should order tonight...

Yay! I convinced my parents to let me get new springs/struts!

I'm going to get the KYB-AGXs, no question, but I'm still trying to decide on the springs. I want the best handling springs w/o going to coilovers. I've limited it down to Eibach ($220) or Sprints ($130).

I'm leaning towards Eibach since they seem to have the reputation, quality, and just the right amount of drop. Plus, I like the fact that they are more even of a drop, and I wouldn't have to cut a coil to even it out like I would with Sprints since I'm an automagic.

I'm still considering the Sprints because they are $90 cheaper of southwestautoworks.com and have a little lower drop. Only thing I'm worried about out is it being too low that I might rub with a full car, and of course the hassle of cutting the springs in the back.


Tell me what you guys think.
Old Sep 26, 2002 | 06:13 PM
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Re: Parents approved springs/struts...help me decide what I should order tonight...

sprints.....
Old Sep 26, 2002 | 06:14 PM
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Re: Re: Parents approved springs/struts...help me decide what I should order tonight...

Originally posted by seximagtr
sprints.....
Eibachs. Sprints are too low. You need to retain at least some suspension travel...
Old Sep 26, 2002 | 06:19 PM
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Sprints... only pussiies ride on anything higher
Old Sep 26, 2002 | 06:38 PM
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sprite is right.... trim your bumpstops and there's your suspension travel.... mzmtg is just jealous, don't mind him
Old Sep 26, 2002 | 06:57 PM
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I had Sprints, I wasn't man enough to handle them...so I switched to ghey Eibachs...
Old Sep 26, 2002 | 06:57 PM
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Re: Parents approved springs/struts...help me decide what I should order tonight...

Originally posted by sidewinder740
Yay! I convinced my parents to let me get new springs/struts!

I'm going to get the KYB-AGXs, no question, but I'm still trying to decide on the springs. I want the best handling springs w/o going to coilovers. I've limited it down to Eibach ($220) or Sprints ($130).

I'm leaning towards Eibach since they seem to have the reputation, quality, and just the right amount of drop. Plus, I like the fact that they are more even of a drop, and I wouldn't have to cut a coil to even it out like I would with Sprints since I'm an automagic.

I'm still considering the Sprints because they are $90 cheaper of southwestautoworks.com and have a little lower drop. Only thing I'm worried about out is it being too low that I might rub with a full car, and of course the hassle of cutting the springs in the back.


Tell me what you guys think.
Since you needed your parents to approve the mod, I am sure they would be happier if you went with Eibach...
Old Sep 26, 2002 | 07:04 PM
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Old Sep 26, 2002 | 07:04 PM
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Why not go with Intrax. I'll right in the middle of what you looking for.

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Old Sep 26, 2002 | 07:10 PM
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Go with Eibachs.
Old Sep 26, 2002 | 07:11 PM
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Originally posted by Nismo98
Why not go with Intrax. I'll right in the middle of what you looking for.

Andrei
Actualy Intrax are the opposite of Sprint.. Sprint is low in the front.. high in the back and Intrax is high in the front.. low in the back.. the ideal coilover look without coilovers would be sprint fronts and intrax rears
Old Sep 26, 2002 | 07:15 PM
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IMO,

Eibachs were meant to go with AGX's . I had them for a while with Tokico's but the Tok's were too soft for them. H&R's are great with aGX's but if you want the ultimate handling go with the Eibachs. Not sure how Sprints compare handling wise.

Kevin

FYI...Eibachs that wre manufactured in 1999 and later are much lower then prevoius Eibachs.
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So far it's 4-2 in favor Eibach....
Old Sep 26, 2002 | 07:18 PM
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Originally posted by sidewinder740
So far it's 4-2 in favor Eibach....
i counted 4 people for Sprint
Old Sep 26, 2002 | 07:28 PM
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Originally posted by SprintMax
i counted 4 people for Sprint
Lets count...

Sprints:

seximagtr
SprintMax


Eibachs:

mzmtg
nixima
Supermachoman
Kevin
Old Sep 26, 2002 | 07:33 PM
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Originally posted by sidewinder740


Lets count...

Sprints:

seximagtr
SprintMax


Eibachs:

mzmtg
nixima
Supermachoman
Kevin
I counted max1ma97se because he owns them
and i counted Nismo98 because he said intrax and they are basically like sprint
Old Sep 26, 2002 | 07:37 PM
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Originally posted by SprintMax


I counted max1ma97se because he owns them
and i counted Nismo98 because he said intrax and they are basically like sprint
Nismo98 said intrax were in between sprint/eibach....neutral...no vote....4-3...
Old Sep 26, 2002 | 08:22 PM
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Re: Re: Re: Parents approved springs/struts...help me decide what I should order toni

Originally posted by mzmtg


Eibachs. Sprints are too low. You need to retain at least some suspension travel...
Word to that Ben. I love my Eibies.
Old Sep 26, 2002 | 10:06 PM
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Eibachs. From what I know they are the best performing spring. I do wish I was a bit lower sometimes.
Old Sep 26, 2002 | 10:18 PM
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i say get B&Gs....definately sumthing perfectly in the middle of wut ur looking for...and theyre 159 at shox.com...1.6 drop all around, not harsh and theyre a great thick heavy strong spring, theyre red so they match with the AGX..and i love them as have many of the B&G/AGX owners!!
Old Sep 26, 2002 | 11:07 PM
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Very good choice on the struts. Progress springs.
Old Sep 26, 2002 | 11:20 PM
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Eibachs.

Perfect drop, awesome handling. What the heck you need the car so low for? You aren't working for the city and paving their roads anyway. Don't go for looks, go for handling, that's what springs are meant to be.

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Old Sep 27, 2002 | 01:16 AM
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Sprints(easier on the wallet), H&R's are my preference though
Old Sep 27, 2002 | 06:45 AM
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I luv my Eibachs.
Old Sep 27, 2002 | 07:17 AM
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Thanks guys! I'm going to go with Eibachs!
Old Sep 27, 2002 | 07:27 AM
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take it from someone whose owned both (eibachs on my 95 SE)(sweet handling/****ty drop), (sprints on my 97 SE)(sweet handling/ill drop)
Old Sep 27, 2002 | 07:30 AM
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Originally posted by sidewinder740
Thanks guys! I'm going to go with Eibachs!
Excellent choice!

But remember, you are putting on real performance oriented springs and dampers. We don't want you to come back complaining about how stiff the ride is after you install the stuff. It's not unbearable, or even uncomfortable, but it is MUCH stiffer than stock. After a couple of days, you will really appreciate how well your car handles. 90mph lane changes and freeway ramps are fun now....not that we condone any sort of illegal or irresponsible activity...
Old Sep 27, 2002 | 07:45 AM
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Originally posted by NyC97Max
i say get B&Gs....definately sumthing perfectly in the middle of wut ur looking for...and theyre 159 at shox.com...1.6 drop all around, not harsh and theyre a great thick heavy strong spring, theyre red so they match with the AGX..and i love them as have many of the B&G/AGX owners!!
I agree. B&G are inbetween the Eibach's and sprints. I autocrossed last weekend with B&G/AGX and the setup was awesome. When I want a smoother ride I adjust the AGX and it's pretty smooth.

The only downside to Eibach's is that it doesn't look lowered, unless it's next to a stock maxima. As for B&G's dropping 1.6in, it might actually be a little more, like 1.8in.
Old Sep 27, 2002 | 08:01 AM
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Go with sprints. Eibach don't low enough. Even our MOTM Redmax is going to change of eibach to sprints.
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"don't low enough"?

Sprints are too low. The Maxima, even at stock ride height, has relatively little suspension travel. Going down 2 inches with Sprints gives up too much.

Sprints are for rice boys who think looking lower is more important than handling better...
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Originally posted by mzmtg
Sprints are for rice boys who think looking lower is more important than handling better...
So your trying to say I'm a rice boy?! I like how my sprints handle. I can take turns that say 25 and do 45 around it easily. I have no complaints about it being to rough also. I even have my agx set at 3/6.
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i have my agx set at 2/4 with the sprints and i can certainly outhandle the 95 SE i had with eibachs.
Old Sep 27, 2002 | 10:00 AM
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i'd go for the eibachs if i had money, but since i dont have any.......sprints all the way.
Old Sep 27, 2002 | 10:00 AM
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Ben is getting old and can't handle the ride of Sprints..

my Sprints out handle my H&R ten times over.. and since 2 inches is too low.. what about people with coilovers @ 3 inches and lower

in my opinion.. the maxima is way too high to begin with.. look at most sports cars.. vette.. bmw's.. even VW GTI's .. they have 1 1/2 inch of wheel gap stock .. and thats even less wheel gap than a maxima with sprints..

FYI.. Ben you of all people should know a lower center of gravity gives better handling
Old Sep 27, 2002 | 10:23 AM
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Originally posted by SprintMax
in my opinion.. the maxima is way too high to begin with.. look at most sports cars.. vette.. bmw's.. even VW GTI's .. they have 1 1/2 inch of wheel gap stock .. and thats even less wheel gap than a maxima with sprints..
Yes, we have more wheel well gap than those cars, but we have less suspension travel, especially in the rear.

Originally posted by SprintMax
FYI.. Ben you of all people should know a lower center of gravity gives better handling
There's more to it than that...to quote myself from a long time ago:

Originally posted by mzmtg
Sprints do not handle all that well. This stems from the fact that they are too low. If you are corning at 100% lateral grip and hit a bump that bottoms out the Sprints, you'll spin right off the road. Not good. With the Eibachs (which I dont think are harsh), the handling is better than Sprint because you have more wheel travel. Mid-corner bumps are not so dangerous anymore.

Lower is not always better. With the MacPherson strut suspension system we have, lowering causes problems. As you go down, the roll center gets lower much faster than the center of gravity. Having the roll center so low drastically increases body roll. Simple example (I have no idea if these numbers are correct, but you get the idea):

STOCK
Center of Gravity (CG) height - 8 inches
Roll Center (RC) height - 7 inches

This means that under lateral ecceleration, the CG on has a 1 inch long lever to push on.

SPRINTS
CG height - 6 inches (2 inch drop springs)
RC height - 3 inches

Now the CG has a 3 inch long lever to push on.

When you apply the same force to the longer lever...you end up with more body roll. To counteract this inherent increase in body roll, you have to raise the spring rate (stiffness) a lot. This results in a bad ride.
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Originally posted by mzmtg


Yes, we have more wheel well gap than those cars, but we have less suspension travel, especially in the rear.
that is why sprint are high in the rear.. the drop in the rear with sprint is the same as the drop with Eibachs... sprints are only low in the front..



Originally posted by mzmtg
There's more to it than that...to quote myself from a long time ago:

i can't really read all that right now.. its too technical for me but bottom line is.. my sprints handle excellent.. something i am noting here.. you had sprints with your stock GXE hubs.. i almost lost it around a turn with my GXE hubs while i was on sprint springs.. i blamed it on being used to my 235/40 tires... however.. my car never handled any different when i ran them on H&R's.. maybe Sprint don't handle well on skinny tires but let me put it this way.. on my 15 inch GXE hubs.. my H&R's out handled my Sprint.. on my 18 inch Rims.. my Sprints out handle my H&R
Old Sep 27, 2002 | 11:12 AM
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What about progress springs? Anything wrong with them there the ones I'm thinking of getting for christmas.
Old Sep 27, 2002 | 11:17 AM
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by sidewinder740 Since every one put in their 2 cents, I will just tell you that I have Eibachs, and AGX combo. Oh did I tell you I am a family man, who occationally carry my parents too. FYI , I had to tell people that I droped the car; they could not tell with the ride quality. MY settings are 2 front , 2 back on the AGX. I used to have 1, all around but it was too soft ,(no handling).
Note, becareful what u wish for ; you might just get it! (GET IT?).


Lets count...

Sprints:

seximagtr
SprintMax


Eibachs:

mzmtg
nixima
Supermachoman
Kevin
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Old Sep 27, 2002 | 11:40 AM
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Old Sep 27, 2002 | 12:01 PM
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ive owned both eibachs and sprints.

burned me cause i spent 200+$ on springs just to have everyone say " when are you going to lower it?"

140.00 later and i have some sprints which drop it perfect(in the front) and handle fine.

i dont understand what you guys mean by handle better. if they are any differences i cant notice them. it feels better lowered around turns compared to stock though. handling wise the eibachs and sprints are about the same to me. never really paid that much attetion to them.

also i bought my eibachs in 2000 and they were high (almost stock) in the front. i knew few guys who had eibachs that had nice even drops and i was puzzled. swafford98 bought some eibachs off of some on the board and he had the same problem as my eibachs.

bags bought eibachs brand new in 2001 and they are just as low all around as my sprints.

go figure. eibachs diffinetly come in two drops.



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