runelind

So we were coming home from a dinner party and I pulled up next to my mom at a red light. She drives a 1995 Volvo 850 Turbo, which was, when it was released, the fastest car from a rolling start. I kept up through second gear, but then she just took off like I was standing still. I will get new piping for my maxima, but I still dont think I'll be able to keep up. Especially since she's probably giving the 850T to my dad for him to drive, and she's getting a 740i. *whimper*

Anyone else have parents whose cars kick your ***?

1MAX2NV

iTrader: (5)

Maybe she got a manual boost controller that you didn't know about

runelind

Nope, I drive it on a pretty regular basis. It surprises me every time I drive it. The euro cars definitely have high end power figured out. Like the SAAB Aero slogan of old "From 60-80mph, we're faster than a 911 or a lamborghini)

Sean97SE

Automatic = Get more mods and stuff, be mean with your car.

Manual = you suck at driving maybe

MAXIN

iTrader: (5)

That car runs low 14's and will run up to 155mph stock. Dont sleep on Mom's volvo...

runelind

Colin McRae driving my stock 5sp couldn't beat a 850T - it just won't happen

runelind

Yep

They have the Garrett/Mitsu 15G turbo which, with just a simple exhaust switch and ecu mod will run 300 hp. Mate that with the AWD in the V70R and you have a wagon sleeper that will run with the best of them

Sean97SE

What do you want to bet a lot of maxima owners could get up to 155, not to mention run low 14's, nealoc obviously did that and better.

spiff56747

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runelind

Yeah but not with 222 hp like the 850T. Hell I'll get 220 some hp with just an intake and complete exhaust overhaul.

Sean97SE

what does that mean?

and

GL with that then.

runelind

I'm saying that the 850T comes with 222hp stock. To get a maxima to run those numbers you have to add some pretty serious boost to it, I'm guessing 300 hp.

Sean97SE

I dont know if you noticed or not but nealoc is all motor, and there are plenty of all motor maxes on this forum that have run a low 14 as your moms car does. 4psi of boost on current max turbos gives you nearly 280 hp if not a little more which is over 300 at the crank.

Is it me or is 4psi not a lot of boost?

runelind

No matter how you arrive to your horse power, you will not have a maxima that runs low 14's at 222 hp.

Sean97SE

Im going to bed, you are an idiot, ill let others finish this up.

spiff56747

iTrader: (-1)

i think he's saying that nealoc's maxima probably has around 220 hp with all the mods, and he ran a 13.9

Sean97SE

no thats what im saying, hes saying unless you have high boost you wont have a maxima that puts down 850t numbers.

NOW im going to bed

runelind

I fail to see the flaw in my logic. Its just like saying because Maxima X has made the proper modifications to arrive at 227 horse power, it will keep up with a WRX.

/me nudges thread back on topic

Sean97SE

I swear to god, are you foreign or something? do you not understand other people ideas as well as your own? Cars have things called DRIVERS, some drivers are worse than others. Im going to break down a this conversation in YOUR stupid *** logic then in mine.

runelind lame logic: A 222 hp volvo 850t ( or 227 hp wrx dont cry ) puts down better numbers all the time because it has more hp than a slightly modified maxima and the driver has no bearing on the results because of the cars motor. A slightly modded max will NEVER run a low 14 because they just cant do it for some odd reason in your mind.

OR A car with more hp than another car is ALWAYS faster because the hp count is higher, in so many words.

my logic: A slightly modded max will run VARYING numbers due to driver experience and MAY or MAY NOT run better numbers than OTHER cars.

OR a 190 hp maxima can beat a 200hp rsx type S not because of hp count, in so many words.

runelind

Wow, some definite rage going on. I guess that is what happens when you stay up past your bedtime. What I was saying is that horse power does not necessarily facilitate high performance in the quarter mile. What I'm also saying is because of the difference in design of cars you will not have the same performance out of cars that have the same horsepower. This goes back to my example of a maxima with the same horsepower of a WRX still losing out to said car. My first example also stated that said maxima will probably not shave a second off its quarter mile speed running mod X which would equate its power to a volvo 850T.

runelind

And yes, I am a EU citizen

Sean97SE

You never said any of that, and if that was what was intended, so help you.

Dont equate me to a child that gets more hyperactive as they get more tired out either. A lot of people happen to believe in the proper amount of sleep than just me.

Sean97SE

runelind

"I'm saying that the 850T comes with 222hp stock. To get a maxima to run those numbers you have to add some pretty serious boost to it, I'm guessing 300 hp." which was later corrected by:
"No matter how you arrive to your horse power, you will not have a maxima that runs low 14's at 222 hp."


I suppose I could clarify the latter statement. It doesn't matter whether you arrive at the 850T's hp by means of piping, boost, or pixie dust, I fail to believe that you'll equal the performance of the Volvo at equal horse power if driven by the same driver.

I also did not equate your attitude with hyperactivity, more of a shoot-first-ask-later attitude.

CaLSoNiC

Hrm... why not race a Volvo S80? They got twin turbos

I30tMikeD

iTrader: (8)

I don't know what you guys are arguing about but this statement is just not true. It has happend many times.

thnikkamax

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I understand what you're saying.. Nealocs maxima is an all-motor beast with the transmission and other performance parts necessary to break into the 13's
(and gutted out interior, etc..)

Transmission, suspension, car's weight, and wheels/tires also add to better times.

I'd agree that a 4th gen with engine/exhaust mods that equal to 222hp will run mid 14's at most on stock clutch, tranny, shifter, wheels, suspension, full interior, jack, spare tire, etc...

Aren't the regular times for the 5th gen (255hp - 15hp = 240hp) between 14.3 to 14.7

jcy98maxse

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Actually, without extending the redline our max car prolly only reach about 150 mph max (that only if you have a long enough road and enough time and power to get up there). The reason I say this is if any of you were to pay attention to your speedo and tech at that speed, at about 140mph we are hiting high 5K to 6K rpm. I've noticed that for about every 500rpm from 80mph on, it equals 10 additional mph on the speedo. With our car redlining at 6.5K and rev limit kicking it right afterwards, if we were to get in to redline at 5th gear, our speed would only be about 150mph.

I do also think that getting a good 1/4 mile time really depends on the driver, I've seen dumba$$ drivers in Vipers (even though they're overrated) or other fast cars run slow track times cuz they don't know how to drive. So low 14s is possible for our max.