H&R's need a camber kit!
H&R's need a camber kit!
[Story] I put my H&R/AGX set-up on sometime in March. I paid attention to tire wear for the first month or so and noticed no uneven wear. So I just stopped paying attention. Last night I happened to park my car with the wheels turned so the tread could be seen easily. To my suprise, a friend of mine started howling at my tire wear. I got out and inspected them. I have about 4-5/32" of tread on the outer part of the front tires and the inner sides have steel wires exposed. NOT GOOD! [/End of story]
I read from several people that you don't need a camber kit with H&R's. Well, you do!
So now I'm in the hole $37 for a camber kit + $683 for some new Potenza 750's. Mind you, this is without any installation, mounting & balancing, or the follow-up allignment.
Moral of the story. Spend the initial $37 and get a damn camber kit. Don't be like me.
I read from several people that you don't need a camber kit with H&R's. Well, you do!
So now I'm in the hole $37 for a camber kit + $683 for some new Potenza 750's. Mind you, this is without any installation, mounting & balancing, or the follow-up allignment.
Moral of the story. Spend the initial $37 and get a damn camber kit. Don't be like me.
Re: H&R's need a camber kit!
Originally posted by Bluebird
[Story] I put my H&R/AGX set-up on sometime in March. I paid attention to tire wear for the first month or so and noticed no uneven wear. So I just stopped paying attention. Last night I happened to park my car with the wheels turned so the tread could be seen easily. To my suprise, a friend of mine started howling at my tire wear. I got out and inspected them. I have about 4-5/32" of tread on the outer part of the front tires and the inner sides have steel wires exposed. NOT GOOD! [/End of story]
I read from several people that you don't need a camber kit with H&R's. Well, you do!
So now I'm in the hole $37 for a camber kit + $683 for some new Potenza 750's. Mind you, this is without any installation, mounting & balancing, or the follow-up allignment.
Moral of the story. Spend the initial $37 and get a damn camber kit. Don't be like me.
[Story] I put my H&R/AGX set-up on sometime in March. I paid attention to tire wear for the first month or so and noticed no uneven wear. So I just stopped paying attention. Last night I happened to park my car with the wheels turned so the tread could be seen easily. To my suprise, a friend of mine started howling at my tire wear. I got out and inspected them. I have about 4-5/32" of tread on the outer part of the front tires and the inner sides have steel wires exposed. NOT GOOD! [/End of story]
I read from several people that you don't need a camber kit with H&R's. Well, you do!
So now I'm in the hole $37 for a camber kit + $683 for some new Potenza 750's. Mind you, this is without any installation, mounting & balancing, or the follow-up allignment.
Moral of the story. Spend the initial $37 and get a damn camber kit. Don't be like me.
I have eibachs and my tires wear perfectly even.
I've had H&Rs for well over one year and haven't had any of the problems you've described. When I take a part my suspension, I mark where the struts/hardware lined up prior to disassembling so that when it goes back togehter everything is set the way it orginally was.
To me, it sounds like your suspension had a "toe" problem like Drewn said.
Dave
To me, it sounds like your suspension had a "toe" problem like Drewn said.
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When you lower your car, your toe goes outwards.
Toe out = lots of inner tire ware.
Rotate your tires and then have your car aligned.
EDIT:
I find it hard to believe that guys change there entire suspension and never have there alignment reset. It's like boiling water for tea and never putting the tea bag in.
Toe out = lots of inner tire ware.
Rotate your tires and then have your car aligned.
EDIT:
I find it hard to believe that guys change there entire suspension and never have there alignment reset. It's like boiling water for tea and never putting the tea bag in.
Originally posted by chillinmax
DOH! i have GC's as well. I thought camber kits run in the hundreds? if not, is it an easy install and where can i find one? thanx.
DOH! i have GC's as well. I thought camber kits run in the hundreds? if not, is it an easy install and where can i find one? thanx.
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Originally posted by njmaxseltd
When you lower your car, your toe goes outwards.
Toe out = lots of inner tire ware.
Rotate your tires and then have your car aligned.
EDIT:
I find it hard to believe that guys change there entire suspension and never have there alignment reset. It's like boiling water for tea and never putting the tea bag in.
When you lower your car, your toe goes outwards.
Toe out = lots of inner tire ware.
Rotate your tires and then have your car aligned.
EDIT:
I find it hard to believe that guys change there entire suspension and never have there alignment reset. It's like boiling water for tea and never putting the tea bag in.
I never got an allignment 
I drove it on the interstate at 80 mph and let go of the wheel and it would track perfectly straight for miles. I assumed that if it went straight I didn't need an allignment.
Yes, I now realize that it was a stupid thing to do, errr...I mean, to not do.

I drove it on the interstate at 80 mph and let go of the wheel and it would track perfectly straight for miles. I assumed that if it went straight I didn't need an allignment.
Yes, I now realize that it was a stupid thing to do, errr...I mean, to not do.
Originally posted by chillinmax
Is it the same if I have coilovers? Jay25 stated that Eibachs are one of the few springs that do NOT require camber kit. Since Ground Control coilovers use eibach springs, am i required one?
Is it the same if I have coilovers? Jay25 stated that Eibachs are one of the few springs that do NOT require camber kit. Since Ground Control coilovers use eibach springs, am i required one?
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From: Near Archer High School, Ga
Originally posted by chillinmax
Is it the same if I have coilovers? Jay25 stated that Eibachs are one of the few springs that do NOT require camber kit. Since Ground Control coilovers use eibach springs, am i required one?
Is it the same if I have coilovers? Jay25 stated that Eibachs are one of the few springs that do NOT require camber kit. Since Ground Control coilovers use eibach springs, am i required one?
if you think you can get away with GCs and no camber adjustment go ahead. I never said anything about coilovers
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From: Near Archer High School, Ga
Originally posted by cerumo
the thing is, is it necessary to get a camber kit since he has a groundcontrol setup?
the thing is, is it necessary to get a camber kit since he has a groundcontrol setup?
with ground controls or any type of drop below 2 inches on the drop you will need camber adjustment with bolts or camber plates and some of the high end expensive coilovers already have camber plates built into them
Originally posted by JAY25
with ground controls or any type of drop below 2 inches on the drop you will need camber adjustment with bolts or camber plates and some of the high end expensive coilovers already have camber plates built into them
with ground controls or any type of drop below 2 inches on the drop you will need camber adjustment with bolts or camber plates and some of the high end expensive coilovers already have camber plates built into them
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