No **** I was kidding but after that response maybe they really should. If that did happen we wouldn't have all the monopoly garbage going around in the MAXIMA world. It ****es me off that I have to pay 2x as much for something that people with different cars can get from 20 different manufacturers. Saturns have more damn aftermarket support than maximas. WTF is that? I know what Brian and others are doing is great for us and I appreciate it but it sux that I have to pay more for everything just because I chose to go with a better car than others. And NOSHUA or whatever your headers are monkey ***** quality and won't do **** more than a y-pipe...

 

did you ever consider the fact that we have almost twice as much piping as 4 cyls? they have one manifold, we have 2. Theres more work and more pipeing that goes into that. Look at headers for a 300Zx vs. a straight 6 surps, the Z's exhaust will almost almways be more casue of the extra work that needs to be done

 

Those people selling the stone headers are taking there damn time, they should have already done the dynos by now.

 

I bet the Saturn V6es have less aftermarket support than the Maxima. Sheesh, they don't even offer a 5-speed manual on them. Then look at Honda. The Acura TLs/CLs have an aftermarket, but it's nothing like their 4 banger little brethren Integras,S2000s, Civics etc.

DW

 

Justin is doing the install and test after the 15th... Anyone who is interested in the deal I posted let me know. There is still a FREE set to gve away.

Nashua.i

 

Okay, I don't get this at all. Are you ****ed because we don't have 17 different companies making the same exact parts for our cars because that's the only real difference between us and them. We have available to us:

1) Tons of different intakes
2) 4 different types of y-pipes
3) 3 different types of headers
4) 3 different types of UDPs
5) A JDM intake manifold kit
6) 3 different companies making ECUs
7) valve springs
8) SC kit
9) 4 different companies making turbo kits
10) Tons of different exhaust setups
11) 4 different nitrous kits
12) 10 different coil/over and spring set ups
13) 4 different types of struts
14) Unlimited wheel and tire selections
15) 2 types of carbon fiber hoods
16) 7 different types of body kits
17) HKS ignition system (stupid, IMO)
18) gounding kits (stupid again)
19) 3 different types of sway bars
20) better rear strut mounts

I'm sure there's a lot more I'm missing, but I wouldn't exactly say the 4th gen Maxima is missing much aftermarket support.


Dave

 

Someone just got owned

 

Yeah I'm just mad that we don't have that many companies supporting maximas. It sucks cause this could be a goldmine as far as they know...

 

Some people dont realize that those "Aftermarket" parts for the Civics and Accords arent 1/3 the quality of that of the Maxima aftermarket pieces. If you were to take a look at those similar products that we have avaliable and look at the ones you can get for the civic. I can assure you that the $700 headers that you just purchased will outlast the $250 headers that the sick owners purchase. ("You get what you pay for...)

Most of those up and coming honda tuning companies dont give two licks about what kind of quality you want, they are just looking for those people who dont have much money and would buy anything as long as its in their price range and its "Cool sounding".. Which is where the phrase "rice burner" comes in to play.

 

there is a guy at a bar I always goto that has a sign that says "Why lie? just buy me a beer" and he is some dirty homeless dude.

 

Any updates?

It's friday...

 

dang i wanta see these

 

It is pretty obvious Brian that you have never really been part of the actual automotive exhaust business.

That is the way it is whether you are Ford, Daimler Chrysler or Nissan. Competitors will buy your or our products and reverse engineer them, they send them to Canada or Taiwan and shortly thereafter you have cheap competition. It does not matter how much you invested or how innovative you are. That is reality.

I did find the fact that you do now know the actual sizing of your header tubing a little strange, I always thought you designed this stuff yourself. No offense intended but one would think you would know the size.

Just so you know, we cut apart one of the first Y pipes we ever sold a few weeks ago, ( 4 years old plus ) took it to the carwash and other than a little surface rust flash on the welds it looked pretty much like it did the day it was installed. When we cut it apart the inside had a little soot in it but as we expected there was still the aluminized steel coating. We did not find any of the pitting you mentioned in your earlier post. Maybe we looked in the wrong spot.

regards
Dallas

WarpSpeed Performance

 

Dallas-

My 2-year old non-mandrel bent aluminized Y-pipe has been through two salty winters and it looks pretty much brand new except for some VERY minor surface rust on the exterior welds (see pics on my site). My non-mandrel bent y-pipe also made quite a bit more power on the dyno and lowered ET added mph at the track vs the crap Stillen Y-pipe I use to have


Dave

 

Seems to work well for Dell Computer.

Anyway, have a safe trip and thanks again for bringing these to market.

 

Someone mentioned that you were waiting on these headers to ship from New Zealand before you got them in. It is kind of funny that the only other headers that we know about were also from New Zealand. Are these headers designed and built by you, or are they purchased parts that you are re-selling?

 

you can get a nitrous kit for that much and make WAY more power....I dont know if I'd pay that much for headers on our car unless it ends up putting out 25+hp

 

nitrous is cool. but will be depleted after some 10-12 squeezes.... then no more Nitrous. NA is available all time.

 

Oh I understand how it's available all the time and thats the plus side, but I know it isnt going to make the same kind of performance difference. Unlike on larger engines where longtubes can give you 40+hp, I just dont see it being worth $700 since it wont make that much more power gain.

 

Good job @ Cattman;
I think a guy with a mainstream honda should worry more about why he bought "headers" and not if 550 was a good price lol. Headers and Naaawz (registered trade mark of th&th) make the world go around! yes? (I know that’s not what you mean. I just like exercising my lame humor, sorry.) keep cool
God bless,
dan

 

dyno does not lie:

Here's one for the Stone headers on a CLS:

http://www.acura-cl.com/forums/showt...threadid=98586

 

Comparing to a larger engine would only be fair if you factor in the percentage increase in power. A 350 hp Vette that gets 40 more hp from headers is getting an 11% increase in power. The 190 hp maxima with a 20 hp increase from headers is getting the same 11% increase in power. The Vette may have bigger gains, but it's not 40% better, it's 11.

DW

 

The ACURAS have ****ty headers to begin with and that's why you get a big gain. On a maxima the POS headers you're trying to sell won't even get us 5hp...

 

ummmmmmmmmmm....didnt motorvate guy dyno ~18fwhp???

whats his site? anybody know? he has dyno graphs on it.

it is my opinion that if i got rid of my ypipe and bought this setup that my car would not get any faster. dont think you would ever notice. just my opinion tho.

 

Don't forget the HD motor mounts and the Quaife ATB differential (we sponsored their development). Lightened flywheels, full Brembo Gran Turismo brakes, and other parts also come to mind.

Brian C Catts
Cattman Performance

 

Have you recieved them? Any pics?

 

yeah Brian, have you gotten them yet? If not, what's the ETA?

 

Way to show your maturity and ability to maintain an inteligent conversation while arguing your point.

 

Here you go:

http://www.motorvate.ca/mvp.php/519

 

I was just trying to sound "real", that way it's a lot easier for the kids to understand my "flow". Do you "catch my drift"? But on a serious note, the headers noshua is trying to sell were already proven to suck on the max. These things were out maybe 6months before he showed up and the gains were so minimal that people just dismissed the idea of us ever having headers...

 

Those stone headers have not test ffted ever... let alone dynoed! From where are you geting those info?!

Nashua

 

I agree, the Stone headers haven't been tested. We noticed them on Ebay a few months back, no one tested them. The only headers that have been tested are the New Zealand headers Emax bought and Cattman's headers which may or may not be the same ones.


Dave

 

I missed this post earlier. you do realize it's the people like you that keep us from gettin the aftermarket support we all crave. Dave really does have a good point, as well as others, there is an awful lot of talk and no action, i've fallen into that crowd twice...wasn't my fault the second time..., but what Brian is trying to do for us is awesome . I know i cannot afford the long tube headers, so you won't see me saying i want to see the dynos or the posting infamous "this thread is worthless without pics" smilies; I'll just trust him at his word, because so far he's said nothing to make me doubt anything he has to say. Now as far as power gains are concerned, i would venture to guess that since these equalize the lengths of the primaries that they will produce more power then the stock ones, or Nashua's for that matter. That in combination with basically a built in y-pipe will produce more power than a y-pipe alone (albeit not a huge increase), and increase the overall flowrate of the whole exhaust itself, a big plus for you supercharged guys. But anyway, if we ever hope to progress in aftermarket performance part's availability, we need to stop b!tching all the damn time because something is too exspensive, or isn't worth the money. No one is forcing you to buy a damn thing, if it's the only one in existance, and you can't afford it, save for it. It's really that simple. If you don't want to save up your money for it, because you don't think it's worth the money, then why post in the first place? if you don't like the price of something, yet have no intention of buying it in the first plsce just STFU and let those of us who know quality do what we got to do to get it without ****ing off the people that are providing us with something new and innovative.

 

Nice speech, however I said nothing bad about Brian's headers. I said I am thankful for all that he's doing. I am pretty sure that his will give us gains that I and hopefully all others will be happy with. About Noshua's headers, he's been talking about those things for two weeks or so and so far I see nothing to prove me wrong, I see othing to prove me right either. There have been many mebers agreeing to test them out but I've yet to hear tanything. Now he has the deal where he'll reimburse even installation costs. If I lived near NH I would be there in a second. ebay link to noshua's headers
This was posted in may and even the pics he uses are the same. The company selling them is from NC so I don't know whether it's his or not. Anyway I'm gonna say sorry for making everyone think I'm an *******, but companies should know by now that whenever they release a product a dyno should be shown the same day. They know people will be asking right away...

 

Why all this talk about Stone headers compared to Cattman's forthcoming set? The Stone headers replace just the exhaust manifolds, whereas the Cattman headers replace everything from the exhaust manifold down to, but not including, the cat.

Why not then compare Y pipes to B pipes? It's apples and oranges.

DW

 

Okay.. I am working with Torgus to get the headers installed, tested, etc.. The only problem is that he's dynoing on Firday and asked me to do the install on Saturday..Dyno after Then another dyno a week later. Now the Pro Shop of my choice can't do Saturday install, so I need to do it at any exhaust shop.. I will drop by meineke exhaust shop to see if we can do it on Saturday.

Nashua.

 

Go to a independent shop instead. A place like Meineke might be hesitant about doing the install...

 

In stock, ready to ship.

Brian C Catts
Cattman Performance

 

Pics??

Maybe you could email them? Horst_99(at)msn.com

 

there you go guys....18.85 PEAK HP GAIN AT THE WHEELS!!!

what are you guys talking about 10 hp???