I know this topic was dicussed a lot of times, but i couldnt find the straight answer. can anyone tell me, is it possible, without supercharging 97 max, to bring it to 250s hoprsepower level. Basically, add 70 horses w/o supercharging it
thanx

 

To the wheels, no without spending large quantities of cash. anything is possible. It would be far cheaper to SC

To the crank. possibly, but will still cost ya. The parts are available to hit that. Check out Ironlung's post, he's got cams, headers, mevi, and some other stuff and is pushing in the neighborhood of 250 at the crank.

 

Nitrous, turbo

 

for maintence too.

 

Nitrous, Intake, Y-pipe, Test Pipe, Catback, ECU, UDP, and some stickers for that final 5-10 hp! Ha

 

It can be done ,but get your wallet out.

 

yeah, mad cash...I would rather just S/C for the money you will end up spending, and you will see more hp than That!

 

you would need mevi and ecu, new cams, pistons, valves and springs, intake, high flow exhaust...and probably still not get 250wheel horse power, crank...maybe. Nos would get you there, but the power would be in a bottle, not on tap at all times. I seriously think supercharging would be a smarter option. If you can get a turbo, even better

 

... the amount of work you would need to do to the engine to get 250fwhp NA, would be almost impossible. I don't think the parts exist for the car that could get you past 220whp

 

Iron Lung has 215 WHP N/A, and this without the raised rev-limiter. If he could somehow find a way to get the limiter removed on his '99, he would be looking at well over 220 WHP because as is, his HP curve keeps going up to redline...

 

you would need to probably change the displacement if you wanted to keep it N/A and get it anywhere near 250hp

 

MEVI wouldnt do anything.

Doesnt MEVI just move the power up from below?

 

what do you mean it wouldnt do anything? you smoke the rock, and your sig has been used by several different org members You can gain up to 30 horsepower at the peak with a mevi, and lose like 8-16 across the band. doesnt just magically move the power around. read up about the mevi

 

Yeah, i was asked by several after i got it, i was the first
Dont show your ingorance!

Dont forget losing low end

 

what does across the band mean? that includes low end...tard. also you weren't the first with that sig

 

Actually the loss that most ppl see is in the mid-range, 3-5k, not low-end necessarily.

 

i said across the band. he said low end

 

Look it up smarty pants, your a paying member!

Youll see "many" people stating loss in "low end"

Heck, Iwannamax96 states mid-range, not "across the band".

 

you are contradicting yourself with what you're saying anyway. Usually about 8-18 hp and torque across the band is what you lose. across the band is everywhere. could be down low, could be mid range. peak is where you gain it back. smarty pants? .....anyway

not the loses ACROSS THE BAND? its especially worse midranger instead of low end
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/stevte...MEVI_HP_MD.jpg

 

In a way he's right SXN, because users (5-speed anyway) that installed the MEVI without the JWT ECU didn't see gains in the 1/4 mile because the gains up top basically equaled the losses down low. So essenially the power is basically cut and pasted up top...

 

shhh, you are missing my point i know it hurts bottom end to. but across the band means everything, right? so how am i wrong

 

I wasn't saying you were wrong, i was just saying he was right on ONE level...

 

no he's not, psh. well he was wrong for calling me wrong

 

The only people gaining 30 hp at the peak from the MEVI are the supercharged folks.

Also, the stock 4th gen fuel injectors are only good up to 250 bhp with an 80% duty cycle and BSFC of .45 . If you're making that much NA hp you might oughtta consider getting larger injectors.

 

I said can, not will

 

Who can, and how?

 

by supercharging, you said it yourself. whats a consistent average gain? 15-20?

 

I gained 37.7 hp at 6800 rpms. Gained 15.6 peak horsepower.

VI off, peak was hit at 5300 and it was 168.3 hp. VI turned on, peak was hit at 6000 and it was 183.9 hp.

 

Oh. I thought you meant a 30 hp gain NA, in keeping with the subject of the thread.

 

but Stephen Max, you dont need to be SC to get big gains really

 

True. But there are gains, and then there are gains in peak power. The MEVI will give about 30 hp to everybody at redline. For NA people, the power at redline has dropped significantly so that peak gains are small. Supercharged people enjoy a monotonically (if you ignore minor variations) rising power curve all the way to redline, so that extra 30 hp does translate to a 30 hp gain in peak power.

 

which in essence was my point

 

sure is...

 

i think he meant REAL horsepower