I have a 4th generation and I am trying to figure out what I should do first. I will be getting some money soon and I dont know what would be the better choice for my car with 86,000 miles on it. I could either save up for the turbo or get the bullet proof tranny and save up for a turbo another time later. The bullet proof tranny consists of:http://www.vqpower.com/v2/modules.ph...article&sid=16

Someone please help me on this big decision, thanks.

 

Do tranny, imo turbo will kill your tranny sooner or later so you will have to fork out money for it. Do the bullet proof tranny and run nitrous.

 

turbo, then when your tranny goes do a 5 speed swap.

 

Think about this one sherlock, hes asking to get ONE of the two, if he does turbo, how will he afford a 5 speed swap later?

And without any proper modifications to the tranny, the turbo will kill it, especially at that mileage. Not saying it'd die the next day, but it will start to slip and eventually die, thus losing performance anyways.

Pearly, do it right, start off buy doing the tranny. If you turbo, your tranny will start slipping eventually and you will lose a lot of performance that way, which will make the turbo nearly pointless.

If I were you, id do the bulletproof tranny, and run a 50-100 shot of nitrous, with the strong tranny, that thing will be a quick motherfuker.

 

Is Their Anybody Else Who Sells The Bullet Proof Tranny Besides Maximum Tuning? Like A Better Price?

 

Might want to check out phoenix hard parts. They dont have the bullet proof tranny but i've heard great things about both their products and warranty service. Not sure if they have one for the max, but its worth a look. Also- IMO do the tranny before the turbo, you will be happy later.

Brett

 

Is their any way of just getting a better transmission without spending $2500 on a bulletproof tranny? Like what do other people do when they say they had a tranny upgrade done to their car?

 

the key is just the stronger elements of the transmission itself. if you find a supplier of hardened gears, with the same size and ratio, made for this trans, you could do it yourself. they change all the bearings to be up for a stressful application, and that you could do as well, same with the bushings and mounts. I have no idea where to get the new high strength clutch bands and stuff....they obviously make it in-house or have a direct supplier.

 

Not really. A 5spd tranny will last longer with boost because it is not allowed to slip as much. You wear the clutch, not the tranny so much. Although they aren't exactly made of stone either. Most "upgraded" autos you hear about are referring to an upgraded valve body. This mostly consists of stiffer springs and some other stronger parts that make the tranny shifts firmer, allowing it to slip less and thus have longer life. No doubt that this would help somewhat with the boost problem, but it too will die sooner rather than later. The auto tranny is simply weak unless you upgrade a lot of internals besides the valve body.

Do a 5spd swap, or spend the money on a bulletproof auto. Remember, the 5spd swap alone will give you a performance boost too.

 

so would a brand new hardened tranny with VB

 

http://www.vqpower.com/v2/modules.ph...article&sid=16

These will be stronger then the units currently available from Level 10. The units will include the following:
High volume pump
new bushings/bearings
High energy clutches and bands and frictions
VB mod of your choice
All steel parts hardened and welded (not available by level 10)
Sunshell hardened (not available by level 10)
High drum hardened (not available by level 10)
Gears and differential welded (not available by level 10)
Solenoids replaced (not available by level 10)
The units will cost $2500 without torque converter.
Torque converter prices vary.
Price of unit without TC installed is $2900
Yes, they would need a core.

very expensive. but worth it if you have the cash.

 

yea....he already posted that link.... so?

 

You sure about that one captain?

Ive seen numerous amounts of supras running 500+rwhp with bulletproof autos, they out run the 6 speed when their bullet proof autos are only 3 speeds. A bullet proof automatic transmission will outlast a 5speed swap hands down. Dont even think thats a logical response on what you said, a bullet proof auto will give MUCH better gains over the 5 speed swap, plus you will be able to depend on it more since its handled to use A LOT of power. 5speed swap would only be good if you upgraded everything on the transmission itself, thus equaling even more money.

I would reccomend the bullet proof auto tranny.

 

i think he meant stock auto vs stock 5 speed....captain

 

starting to sound like star-trek here.


how about cryo treated 5speed swap?

 

i think it comes down to the fact of...does he want a 5 speed or an auto?

 

Bulletproof 5-speed or bulletproof auto are going to cost the same amount.

I would call around locally and see if you can get a warraenty on the work done. I don't think level 10 warrenties their work. Try to get lifetime warranty if you can I know someone on this board got a lifetime warranty on their bulletproof tranny.

An auto will always be faster than manual. I think either tranny will shift very hard for daily driving but auto should be a little more forgiving. The autos longer gears are good for when you turbocharge your car. You can always eat a hamburger, french fried, and drink a soda with an auto. A manual probally be more fun if you go to an auto-x track.

Expect to spend 2500-3000 on bulletproof tranny, maybe even more. Plus turbo kit around 5000 after all the electronics and such. If you do internals maybe 2500-3000 more. If you have the money do that but most of us don't have that much money to do stuff like that. Do a 5-speed swap and turbo right now. The 5-speed will outlast the auto stock for stock.

 

even with a 5 speed swap, im gonna spend about 3000 so either one will work, so if thats the case if a bullettproof auto trany is faster then a 5 speed i would get that? do they make the 5 speed bulettproof tranny?

 

a full 5 speed swap wouldnt be that much

 

so whats an estimate?

 

you mean a swap to a stock 5 speed or a bullet proof 5 speed?

 

actually if you could give me both it would be nice, thanks for helpin me out

 

You can do a swap to 5-speed for 1000-1500 dollars.

 

yea, and bullet proof 5 speed would be similarly priced to the bullet proof auto, 2300-2500 bucks

 

they need to make a bulletproof differential bearing tranny for 5-spds

 

vb won't give a performance boost, ie drop in 1/4 time. vb will make the car feel faster, and help make the tranny last longer.. but not really a performance boost

 

WHAT YOU TALKIN ABOUT WILLIS???? Haha, sorry had to do that!

VB will give a performance boost, mildly-to highly modified cars should get at least a .2 second drop in the quater mile even a half a second drop.

 

Picking auto or manual is up to you, that is the hardest choice, price will be the same.

 

ok, i will chalk this one up to some bad crack or something. it will definately give you a big performance boost, in the quarter, you can see anywhere from .4-.6 off your time... that is HUGE.

 

I have the vb mod.. it won't take .4 - .6 off your time.

search for threads on it..

start here

and work your way back from there...

the vb mod makes the car seem a ton faster, more fun to drive and overall I would highly recommend it. However, it will do nothing to drop time off of your 1/4 mile.

 

it increases line pressure on up and down shifts. therefore it should indeed give you less slip on up shifts. im just going off of manufacterer information
http://www.mobiletek.net/vb.html

as well as claims made by org members, including Y2KevSE, on that very page. if they made up those claims, take that up with them

 

Not trying to be a d*ck to you about it.. but it won't shave time off. The one "testimonial" on that page that said they lost time was using a g-tech, which is not quite the same as two timeslips one before and one after.

Seriously, I think the vb mod is great for any auto tranny's.. but don't get one expecting to lose a half second off your 1/4.. it's just not going to happen.

 

actually the ".4-.6" comment was kevin, who made no referance to gtech times

 

How do you make a 5-speed bulletproof. I thought it would be fine to run extreme high amounts of boost if you just basically upgrade the clutch.

 

no, because if you run too much power through a transmission....there are still gears in there

the clutch takes a lot of abuse, but once the clutch grabs, the engine is linked to the trans itself, and can do plenty of damage. hardened gears and such, new, stronger case, better syncros, probably coated

 

my bad, I missed that.. whatev, done arguing over it. From personal experience and searching on the subject, I believe you will in no way shape or form take .4-.6 off your times. Still worth it to get for any auto, but imo don't buy one to shave time off, it ain't gonna happen.

 

All ya'll are forgetting about the drop resistor mod..........


Wire it to a WOT switch, and you'll be set.


And those of you that want to flame about the DR not being good for your tranny, please don't. Jime will back me up on this saying that if anything, the DR mod is GOOD for your tranny, but only on WOT shifts. Try it out for yourselves, and you'll wonder why you ever bought a VB mod.

Nuff said.

 

because my tranny sucks and the vb mod brings it back to a little past stock feel during normal driving, and dr mod feeling when wot

 

what is the drop resistor mod? where do you get it from? how much does it cost? and what is wot?

 

well bullet proof trannies weigh alot more, how much tho?