well guys, i'm about to put down $300 for a bet .yeah i know,racing for money is stupid, we're all here just to have fun, but this guy was talkin mad crap about maximas and i needed to prove him wrong and get something out of him. so we made a bet but now i'm not so sure if i can beat him. currently i got i/y/+a centerforce dual friction clutch and 9lb. flywheel and some 225/45/zr17 falkens
and he's got a 2003 330ci 5spd. w/ cai,sts,magnaflow muffler and some nitto 555's(i think 235's) what do u guys think? can i really beat him?...i mean we're both experienced drivers and he is rwd... please confirm or clear my doubts guys.
btw: my car is a 95 gle 5spd.
- thanx

 

good luck and let us know the results

 

gle 5speed? you did a conversion i suppose. neways its a 2003 bima man, i duno. how much miles do you have. i mean if you have low miles and your engine is pretty fresh, i guess, but then again a 95 and a 03 is a big diff. then again that car probably weighs a ton. but its german engineering one of the best, a real solid car....hmm fawk it you should take his bich *** car

 

330ci weighs 3300lbs. 225hp/214tq (I think).

~THT

 

The 2003 330ci weighs 3285 lbs. Comes with 225 hp and 214 torque. You might have the advantage on weight. You seem to have a few more mods than he does. I think you got him. If it's a drag..you definately have him. If it's on the highway...I don't know....those german cars just destroy cars on the highway. Oh yea...someone may yell at you for posting this. And for posting it here. Good luck anyways...drive safe.

 

Hey man im sorry but your $300 is gone might as well do not race 2003 BMW 330CI puts out 225 hp and 214 lbs of toque wiht a 0- 60 time at 5.9 plus his mods. so you will deff loose.

 

Good luck, but I think your gonna lose unless the BMW driver makes a mistake. Then odds are he's gonna want a re-match. Best bet is to save your gas and that $300 for something else.

stock specs-

'03 330CI coupe ~ 3300 pounds 225 Hp & 214 TQ
"95 Max ~ 3000 pounds 190 HP & 205 TQ

oh and IBTL...

 

I think the 300lbs diff in weight will more than make up for the difference in power. Just don't race him on the highway. His superior, german gearing will eat you whole.

 

dont forget to do some last min weight reduction mod like removing any extra crap.. spare tire, jack, any sub, rear seats maybe?, passenger seat maybe? and low tank of gas. make the most of the power to weight difference.

 

also i think it is best to race on a hot engine mabye after a good mid range revving run? but i could be totally wrong on this its just my observation on my car

 

I hate to say it but the 330Ci will win. The VQ30 and the 3.0L I-6 are bad-*** motors, but the I-6 will give the VQ a run for its money.

 

I beat a 325i.. by alot... Dont know about those 330's tho :\

 

Even if you dont win, it'll be a good run for both of you and will show that you're still a sport about it. Think about it this way though - you are the underdog if only because of the age difference of the two cars but also because of the stock spec's for each, you are not supposed to win here. If you loose, no biggie - give it your best and let the chips fall where they may - but if you win, imagine how pissed off that guy will be. I'd say go for it.

 

how is he not supposed to win? I think in a drag, the max has more than a fair shot. All german cars are over weight and don't take off fast...they're always geared for high speeds. All I would worry about is if the race goes on for a long distance.

 

Those 330's run low 15's at the track, but are faster on the highways. Keep the race short, and if you can get a sneaky pete nitrous kit, you'll win enough to pay for it. The race really is a driver's race for the 1/8 and 1/4. Heat your tires a bit before the race to get traction on your side. Too close to call, you just have to run him.

 

do you save a favor spend that money in your car and get a better performance parts and race him.. cause hell kill you by 3 or 4 cars

 

you're not gonna take him i can bet ur car does not weigh near 3000 lbs and the weights are probably more equal than you think, and i bet that given the mileages of both cars and the power that the bimmer will take you solely on the launch and good midrange power that it has.

 

him 30k dollar car to a 5k dollar car. that be sick if u win. just run your car hard. drive it like u stole it !!!

 

you'll lose... unless you do some serious weight reduction (krismax style) or have a little happy gas added on at the last second.

btw. wrong forum, wrong day.

 

cut as much weight as possible, change your oil, make sure your air filter is clean, and get some RACE GAS!!!! good luck but the 330 is a powerful machine i hate to say cause i hate the 3 series. i think youd be lucky to pull it off but like i said good luck none the less.

 

if you dont get him off the line you're done... and if he doesnt get you off the line, then he messed up once it hits 80+ its over... BMWs rawk!

 

is it going to be a one race shot? best 2/3?

I dont know I think it will be close, He just has a Cai and Exhaust, where you have Y-pipe which will help alot on top end, lightend flywheel to help you rev faster. I also think ifyou can get him off the line you should be abl to hold out before he starts walking you.

Tell him to run his A/C on the coldest setting, and lower his tires to 21psi for better grip

 

LOL

 

you are gonna get owned...especially if its a ZHP

 

by the way... how long are you going to run it up to?? 1/4 mile?? 1/8th?? first to 100mph?? i say since the BMW have more top end than accelaration, race him to 80 or something low. or you can even pull of a ricer move and when he starts to pull on you on the top end, say you already let go and let him pass you.. haha

 

Don't even bother, those 330CI do 0-60 constantly in flat 6 sec, a stock Maxima with a perfect driver and perfect launch will be lucky to do it in 6.7 With the mods you might get a little close but he has a couple of mods too. He got you pal, and most of us too, including my autotragic.

 

Well he has 225hp and 214 torque. Plus about 5 hp and tq from the CAI and then like 3 from the catback. So let's say he has 233hp and 222tq. So let's compare the cars theoretically. You get 10hp/15tq from y-pipe, 5 hp/tq from intake and 3 from catback giving you as follows.

BMW 330Ci Maxima
233 hp 208 hp
222 tq 228 tq
3285 lbs. 3017 lbs.
RWD (the killer) FWD

Because of his RWD he is almost gauranteed to beat you off the line. So you will NEED to react quicker than he does. Things you have helping you are your clutch and flywheel. But if you spin your tires off the line it's over.

What it all boils down to is the launch and the distance.

If you beat him on the launch and can get a car length on him it's yours. If he didn't have that RWD I'd give it to you but RWD is killer. Like everyone said just do as many weight reductions as possible. But don't be surprised if you lose.

 

im just curious - does RWD really have that big of an advantage over FWD?

 

Also don't forget that BMW consistently underrates their HP and torque. 0-60 you might stand a chance, but otherwise you've already lost. BMWs are better than they look on paper.

 

he is going to own you soo bad

 

Save your 300, go to a casino or t*ttie bar, or save it for another mod then race a couple weeks down the road. But then again its not my money so go ahead and lose it, unless you give your car a serious diet and maybe a cheat stick boost or if your lucky find some front slicks to borrow for a night(not likely), the odds are not in your favor. And if you do lose... Is he bigger than you ?

 

That's funny!!For traction, yes.


Like others have said, you're going to have to stay close and hope he makes a mistake. If he doesn't mess up, you can't win.

 

ive run with some modded 325's and 330's before on the highway from like 70-120+ and they had me by a full car length the entire time. The only way id pull on them would be if i was spraying or had a rocket up my a$$. Otherwise i had no chance!
Then again my boys 2k2 6spd with cai and catback can easily hang with them... guess its all that extra torque.

Ant

 

u wont win. Besides these numbers being at the crank, the RWD makes the BMW lose less power @ the wheels plus its a much newer motor/car, all you have is 300 pounds in your favor which i dont think is enough to give u a win. your only advantage is off the line due to weight and he cancels that out with his RWD. As he passes you off the block, hit a quick K turn and run run run like u never ran before.

 

ull get toasted just the like way Quiznos toasts their subs.

225 hp on that bmw is like 260 hp on a nissan.

and the sedan 330's run flat 6

 

unless he misses a shift, stay home

 

dude i suggest you dont show up, or go buy some NOS...

 

I eat those cars like its nothing, my friend with a 99 530i was so shoked when I smoked him, He was talking mad crap, and the car wasnt even his it was his brothers. He beat me buy a bumper when one of my cylnders wasnt working properly, and my ks was goin off the hook, but when I fixed it i was toying with it, O yeah it was a 5spd

 

How is it every other person with something close to your car says he'll lose, but you "eat those cars like its nothing" ?

Also, a 530i is 3600 pounds and I'm going to take a guess that your friend's 530 is an older one, like a '95 or earlier, and not a newer one...maybe something is wrong with his car? ...But your whole story still stinks of

 

actually RWD has more drivetrain loss than FWD... but BMW has always had very large horses... and its easier to put RWD to the road