So anyways, I am an ex-5.0 Liter Mustang GT owner... And now I am the proud owner of my '97 SE. Quite a bit of a change from the Mustang class of cars (it was fast, loud and rough... But more than fun to drive when you 16-20 yrs. old, especially with 300+ ft. lbs. of torque under your foot.) The Maxima is a quick car... But nowhere as powerful and quick as a Mustang GT. Even with my old *automatic GT I was able knock anyones head in to the headrest and get nothing but tire spin in first thru second.

After reading all these posts of a basically stock 4th gen. beating (or even almost beating) a 1995+ Mustang GT non-convertible, I had to do nothing more than laugh and giggle... So last nite, SweetSound2001 and me went out with my buddy, who happens to have a newer 2000 Mustang GT, 5-speed. (No leather, full system... Stock except for mufflers only.) I was missing driving a car with real power (like my old 'stang) so I asked if I could drive. Of course I drove it all nite... Let me make it plain and simple. After owning an older 5.0 automatic, owning my '97 SE for over a year; And now driving a 2000 GT with SweetSound2001 trying to keep up with me from the stops, and the 30mph+ sprints...

There is absolutely no way that I can imagine a 4th Gen Maxima even keeping up with those things. I wasn't even trying last nite to have a good run at the lights with him, and all I was getting was tire-spin (and a green Max in my rearview in the distance, from ANY speed). That 'Stang last nite was leaving SweetSound's Max as if it was stopped... A majority of the time last nite I didn't even down-shift to need to pull on SweetSound2001... I would just push the pedal and pull on him at any speed.

I have had both cars now, and even with my older 5.0 automatic, the Max is no competition for those Stangs. (I used to run 'em all the time...) And even on a butt-dyno, I can tell you that a near-stock Max can't pull nearly as hard as a stock Mustang... Even if the Max had a few mods, my money is on the 'Stang...

My buddy (who owns the Stang) even asked me if SweetSound2001 was even racing last nite... Oh well, just thought I would let you know my experience... I still love my Max more then any other Mustang out there, but just wanted to give my own un-biased opinion about a " A Mustang kill..." It should read -- The Mustang killed the Max...

BTW - Both SweetSound's GXE and the Mustang were basically bone stock. Mufflers for a Mustang don't do anything like they do on an import... The Stang had a nice system, and the Max was running stock... But even as 4th Gen. owners we will both admit that 'Stang can spank the Max...

I would still buy a new Maxima over a Stang any day... I'm Maxed for life... (But still miss that power...)
Sweetsound2001 can probably put his side of the story here too... I thought it would be cool to put an opinion here that doesn't simply rely on the Maxima side to tell the truth...

 

I don't know about all you 5 speed guys, but my car was wasted by the gt. I did have an extra person in the car, but it's not big of deal as he had a system in the stang and i have nothing in the max.

Let's see how many flames this post gets

You are the weakest link...Goodbye!

 

so timely.. just last night on my way to a friends house for a bbq i came across a very nice new mustang cobra.. not sure years.. as im not a big domestic fan.. any way.. i was driving along minding my own buisness and he romps on it.. so im thinking ahh.. lets have some fun.. take off and walk him realatively fast.. him in disbelief tries it again.. same outcome.. finally we get a light.. from the light he takes off.. i hit it.. pass him and get to about 70 and slow down.. next light he's got this puzzled look on his face i love that look

 

let's see here... on paper, even the 5sp V6 mustangs should be able to get by an auto max (they're spec'd at 0-60 somewhere in the 6.8 to 7.3 seconds...)

the gt is rated at 0-60mph in about 5.4 to 5.7 seconds, even s-charged max's only run in the 5.7 to 6 second range...

so even on paper, it shouldn't be too much of a competetion against the mustang gt. however, the older gt's are a bit slower, so the 5sp max's do have a chance.

just my .02.

-V

 

The 2000 Mustangs are incredibly fast. A 95 GT Convertible isn't that fast actually and a Maxima can take one, but leave the 99+ alone.

 

I agree with vmok that a v6 Mustang would be a closer match to a Max. I have 2 friends with Mustangs, and they are not slow cars. The 94-98 Mustangs (including GTs) are not nearly as fast as the new gen, and even the older 5.0's are no match for the models. To me the Mustangs feel faster than my Max, but I think that has a lot to do with acoustics. I drive a 5spd. and would have to say that to get an accurate test you'd have to race one instead of an auto. I don't mean to offend SweetSound either, but racing a Maxima with a heavy system and a fully dynamatted car can't help either I have normal bolt ons, and my Sub+Amp weighs in at 35lbs. The sub and my wheels weigh me down too, but street racing isn't everything.
-hype

 

I don't know about that... Even in my older generation Stang, I was pulling on on the newer (1996+) Mustangs too. The older Stangs were VERY underrated (from Ford) and when the new style of Stangs came out in '94, alot of people were disappointed... When I was running Maxes in my 5.0, I know I walked 'em real good... 5-speeds and all... The Max is really no competition... Just ask anyone who has *owned* both...

 

Oops, forgot to add that the 2000+ generation of Mustangs are the fastest to date... Slowest are the '94-'95... The only way a Max will beat a Mustang:

If it is: a convertible, automatic, '94-'95, has more than one person in the car, and has more sound deadening than SweetSound2001.

 

yeah that too... the '93 and older (square body) mustangs and mustangs with the 5.0 v8 really didnt' have that much horse power, 225hp... their main claim to fame was the way it could put the measly 205lbs of torque of the maxima to shame with it's 315lbs of torque, over 100lbs more! it also put out that torque almost from idle to it's 5500rpm or so redline... these cars weren't top speed cars in stock form, but cars that launched good off the line. they'd run out of steam on the top end. the new stang gt's with the 4.6 are using overhead cams instead of push rods. the redline is higher, about 6000rpm+? and they have more top end, and less torque low down.

-V

 

Hehe....
You don't buy a stang to sound deaden the $hit out of it, so that probably wont happen. But i can see myself beating a 95 convetible automagic if i get a y-pipe and don's vb mod.

 

Buhahhahaha! Got to love it.

I have raced atleast a dozen stangs in my old 95 5spd max, which had these power mods: Intake,Y-Pipe,cat-Back,RT cat,UPRD ECU,Alluminum Flywheel,Stage III Centerforce Clutch. Well anyways I never got beat by a single stang! Though I never raced any 98+ Mustangs with that max. I recall one night I was at a party and I was talking to a dude there who had a 97 Mustang GT 5spd, Racing gears,K&N and a jet Chip, well anyways he was calling my max a Wing-**** so I said I will dust you, so we lined up and and I took him by about 6-8 cars by 90 MPH. Fiction? No, this really happened and I have done to tons of other stangs too.

Now for my I30, Stock and some what modded Mustangs have yet to even hang with it. Of course there are exception out there but I have not met one yet.


VMock, 5.7? 10 bucks sais I am running low 5's with my I30. My 95 max in stock trim ran a 0-60 in 6.13 and I know my I30 is way faster then my max. Anyways the #'s you are probably refurring to are from MT which rated a 98 Nissan maxima 5'spd,SC,and cat-back exaust at 5.9 sec from 0-60. Now take off the momo wheels, stick a Y-Pipe on and a smaller pully ans a alluminum flywheel a long with a ACT Clutch and you will easaly be in the 5's 0-60 and mid to low 13's in the 1/4 mile. Anyways my point is a modded max can and do dust Stock mustangs with out a problem! I know my does.

 

All I'd like to say is that I'm glad this did not turn into a flame post. I agree that the 99+ mustangs are fast, very fast. I on the other had have beaten several 90-98 stangs v6, and v8. The older 5spds are a little harder but the automatics are no problem. Besides I dont like street racing its for people who want to kill themselves.

 

Yeah, but it is torque that makes a car dust another off the line and going in to that real speed of a race... It's hard to play catch-up. All the horsepower in the world, without enough torque won't make a difference in a real world race (unless your going up a hill)...

Redline on the older mustangs '87-93 (square) : 6250
Redline on the newer mustangs '94-01 (latest) : 6250

 

Yeah, I didn't post to make this a flame thread... Just to let you all know what happened last night. The only reason why I bothered to post, is that I kept seeing these guys on here claming they whooped a GT in their bone stock Max... Maybe they beat a Mustang, but not a GT...

 

Plus all great sports car are rear wheel drive not front. See finally someone agrees with me that in a sense torque wins races and hp sells cars.

 

Let me explain something to you buddy. a 99+ GT will cream us. a 96-98 GT 4.6 is as fast as us STOCK. I have beaten 4 GT stangs since I owned my 2000 5spd Maxima. 2 4.6 and 2 5.0s. A Auto Maxima stands no chance against a GT stang, a 5spd does. I don't care what you say or do, when a car is rated mid 15s like the 4.6 in those years were. and we are rated 15.1 and some get 14.7 stock...there is a obvious difference. We are not biased. I owned a fbody, and personally the stangs are just not all that, sound good but can't keep up till the new 99s came out.

 

Phil, are you sure you walked him relatively fast?? For the '98 Cobra (not the fastest one)...
• 0-60 mph - 5.9 seconds
• Quarter Mile - 13.99 seconds @ 101.6 mph

 

The new GTs aren't that fast. The early 4.6 GTs(96-98') are only equal to a stock 95+ Max. The new ones are still slow compared to an LS1 F-body(their primary competition). Sure they are a huge step up(stock vs. stock) over the earlier GTs, but I beat 2 01's pretty easily. I have also beated 6 LS1 F-bodies. The only disadvantage I have is I either spin the tires off the line or smoke the clutch. Fortunately, almost every race I do is from a roll. From a roll even in first gear, it is no contest and the GT will be left. Keep in mind that I put out almost 300 hp to the wheels and a stock GT only puts out about 230 hp to the wheels. The last I ran one got a 1/2 car length jump on me starting at 70 and I pulled over 2 car lengths on him by 100. The new GTs are only equal to the early 93+ LT1 F-bodies. If you would like a demonstration of this, just find someone with a GT. You can ride along with me and I'll demonstrate.

 

at the track I beat a 95' GT several times in a row and I only have an exhaust... and I was not even running my best times. now as for the 4.6... don't think we have a shot without S/C...

 

lets just say that phil's car is one of the fastest maxima's here if not THE Fastest Maxima here.. any of you texas boys want to put up some money? lets just say phil's supercharger pulley is no longer in the 3's and when you factor in Nitrous.. a mustang cobra to phil would be a TT Supra racing a N/A Supra

 

So what you basically saying is that phil is running well over 10psi of boost?

 

well since 10 PSI is in 3's pulley size.. i don't think i have to say much more

 

I can't remember coming across a 96-97 Mustang running a "mid" 15 seconds... Almost all the later years are tapping anywhere from 14.6 - 15.2 (I checked at Car and Driver and Motor Trend .com right now...) I am pretty damn sure of that too, since I used to be a Mustang junkie... The 1996's were slower... but not that slow. Who tested the 4th gen. at 15.1 ??

 

Russ doesn't own a 4th Gen.. he owns a 5th Gen.. those were tested at 15.1 by Motor Trend

the fastest 1/4 mile 4th Gen was the 95 Maxima at 15.2 and 0 to 60 in 6.6 .. tested by Car and Driver, Motor Trend, Automobile Magazine and Road and Track

 

What other mods does phil96se has? It's nearly impossible for an engine with stock internals to run so much boost

 

you have a better chance of getting in Cindy Crawfords Panties than finding out what mods phil has

 

In that case, I'm ready and qualify to know what mods Phil has...

 

just because we(me and sx7r) haven't post any racing videos lately, you people forgot how fast a maximas are??heehee man, mustangs, "shieetstain" is got to be the slowest Domestic ever made. i raced a supercharged mustang (foxbody 5.0) at the street race, few weeks ago. We were dead even until we hit 3rd, he only pulled about 2 cars on me, that is it. A Freaking "supercharged" mustang! if i had the Stillen supercharger, or NOS kit from YJ(if he ever decided to let me use it), you know wut is ganna happen. i didn't know he was supercharged until the next week after, he showed up at Starbucks in plano, and told my friend he raced a fast gold maxima. lol........i have to agree with 99+ mustang is alot quicker then the foxbody mustang. but still.......no chance! oh check this out, 3days ago, we raced a 5spd, 4.6 foxbody mustang with the usual mods in YJ's AUTOMAGIC. we have 3people in the car, full tank of gas. we raced from 90-120, he only pulled us a car, one car, on YJ's STOCK AUTOMAGIC maxima. that is sad, very sad. got the video SX7R?? or YJ??

 

There are several things wrong with what I just read... Ok, if you ask anybody what the slowest or the fastest domestics made are, you really think that the Mustang will be one of the slower ones? Are you sure? I was just thinking that it is one of the faster cars put out in Detroit. Also, If you raced a supercharged 5.0 Mustang, that thing should be hitting high 13's without a cough... (If installed correctly, pushing about 7lbs.)...

Exactly what mods do you have in your Max that beat a SC Maxima? And, there is no such thing as a Foxbody 4.6 Mustang... It's a wonder where you raced one of those...

No disrespect in this thread... Just curious people...

 

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Paul i am here to serve you

 

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So anyways, I am an ex-5.0 Liter Mustang GT owner... And now I am the proud owner of my '97 SE.
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I thought my evil twin wrote this. I had a 90 GT and currently a 97 SE.

I agree with everything said in yoru comments. In my experience, the slowest GTs are the 1996-1998 models. A stock 5-speed Max could probably hang with them. I just don't see a stock Maxima running with an old LX 5.0 or anything V8 powered after 1998.

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Now for my I30, Stock and some what modded Mustangs have yet to even hang with it. Of course there are exception out there but I have not met one yet.


VMock, 5.7? 10 bucks sais I am running low 5's with my I30.
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Not to be a skeptic, but if I ever witness a stock I30 run mid-5 sec to 60, I'll eat a bucket of my own excrement.

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3days ago, we raced a 5spd, 4.6 foxbody mustang
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No such car. Fox body (i'm assuming you mean 1979-1993) never had a 4.6l.

 

Not to be a skeptic, but if I ever witness a stock I30 run mid-5 sec to 60, I'll eat a bucket of my own excrement.
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Maybe you need to go back to his post and read his sig twice

 

I agree... I will eat out of that same bucket, unless Terminator is really hungry -- Than I will let him eat first... I might as well since I had a '90 GT too... ahh... Those were the days...

 

you 97 SE boys need to take your head out the bucket and read Emax's Sig .. TWICE

 

I could have sworn I was referring to those Maxes that were stock (or at least somewhat stock with a few minor mods). Everyone knows that a Max with enough mods (or money) in it can out run most of the other bad boys on the street. That's not hard to figure out... We all agree.

And usually when referring to your car as "stock", most people don't consider SC's, NOS and other mods that heavy as "stock"... Unless you are running for money; than of course your car is stock and there isn't *any* need to pop the hood...

 

my car is stock .. its stock i swear it

 

Ahh? I never said my I30 was stock, so??
You will be eating some fowel stuff shortly because I will be testing my I30 out in about a week. Like I said before I will be running low 5's 0-60 with out a dow't. I will post my results after testing. I have to wait to have my new Clutch put in and then a break in period. BTW don't forget about my VLSD only available on 96-99 5spd I30's and 98+ canadian Max's and 2K1 AE's with a 5spd. Were do you live{R.I}? Maybe you can borrow a Mustang and get wasted by me .

 

I have my Buddies auto Mustang GT for the next few months. It just sets collecting dust because I hate to drive it. I beat him, STOCK, on more than one occasion. After 100, yeah, he beat me. So what, I still whooped on him, on the street, on the freeway, from a stop and a rolling start. He almost cried and will be gettin rid of the car when he returns. Anyone around So Cal with a digital video camera and a stock Max, let me know. I'll take his ride out, run it against you, and you can post your trophy. I think Sprintmax already posted enough of Sx7r's video's to make the point, but obviously there are still some uninformed sceptics. The newest gen mustangs are FAST. Last gen...nothing special.

 

Ooooh well... I can borrow a 'Stang and run you, but I can assure you that it is "stock ", driven daily to work and back and clocks in at low 12's...

If you read my first post it said "After reading all these posts of a basically stock 4th gen. beating (or even almost beating) a 1995+ Mustang GT...." Like I said just a couple posts above, everyone agrees that a modded Max can run with the bad boys on the street... Nobody disagrees... Why dispute it ?? Any car with money in it can go fast... Nobody said a modded Max is slow...

 

Heres a quote from your first post that I made my reply too, now were in your first post did you say a modded max would win etc.. So get your story straight.

There is absolutely no way that I can imagine a 4th Gen Maxima even keeping up with those things. I wasn't even trying last nite to have a good run at the lights with him, and all I was getting was tire-spin