What do you guys think about supercharging a MAX
What do you guys think about supercharging a MAX
Hey guys, I have been toying with the Idea of Supercharging my 96 GLE. Has anyone here done this? Is it possiable to supercharge an automatic? The car barely has 80,000 miles on it, and is unaltered except for a stereo system.
What do you guys think??
What do you guys think??
Originally Posted by ajsilvaoc
Hey guys, I have been toying with the Idea of Supercharging my 96 GLE. Has anyone here done this? Is it possiable to supercharge an automatic? The car barely has 80,000 miles on it, and is unaltered except for a stereo system.
What do you guys think??
What do you guys think??
Originally Posted by ajsilvaoc
Hey guys, I have been toying with the Idea of Supercharging my 96 GLE. Has anyone here done this?
Originally Posted by ajsilvaoc
Is it possiable to supercharge an automatic?
It is not possiable to supercharge the engine either.
It may be possible though.
Originally Posted by ajsilvaoc
What do you guys think??
U need to build your own kit or buy a used one. Anyways, maxima's are not for supercharging. Swaping a better motors will be the best solution and if u like honda,get one and put some 12 lbs of boost in it. Can have both world, i prefer maxima'S by a million time.
Jokes aside - yes you can. Stillen version 1 and 2 air to air intercooled centrifugal superchargers. If you can't find any of those - go to Procharger.com and see if you can't custom fit their C2 sport-compact centrifugal supercharger on - it's virtually the same as the Vortech one Stillen sells.
Or try going the positive displacement route - like a Whipple 3.3 twin-screw supercharger or a GM M90 roots style blower. Beware though mate - these will cost a lot more money to get installed because of the custom fabrication involved.
If I had the money - I'd go the twin-screw supercharger route. Immediate boost - no lag - less heat build-up than the roots style - no power fall off up top either. Expensive but reliable, powerful and most importantly - great to drive in the real world.
Centrifugals only get their 'stated' maximum power at their redline - with hardly any noticeable boost low down.
Roots give immediate power, but are heavily parasitic, create massive heat (probably require a water to air intercooler - messy, expensive and not as efficient) and drop off boost at high rpms, due to heat build-up and the fact that they cannot 'compress' air at all (they 'blow' air) so the engine moves faster than the blower can cope with. At higher rpms (they were designed for low redline V8's) they actually can have a negative effect on engine performance.
Sorry for the (very) long post but you asked and you got back some dumb-*** responses.
We've all asked stupid questions and we were all newbies once.
Or try going the positive displacement route - like a Whipple 3.3 twin-screw supercharger or a GM M90 roots style blower. Beware though mate - these will cost a lot more money to get installed because of the custom fabrication involved.
If I had the money - I'd go the twin-screw supercharger route. Immediate boost - no lag - less heat build-up than the roots style - no power fall off up top either. Expensive but reliable, powerful and most importantly - great to drive in the real world.
Centrifugals only get their 'stated' maximum power at their redline - with hardly any noticeable boost low down.
Roots give immediate power, but are heavily parasitic, create massive heat (probably require a water to air intercooler - messy, expensive and not as efficient) and drop off boost at high rpms, due to heat build-up and the fact that they cannot 'compress' air at all (they 'blow' air) so the engine moves faster than the blower can cope with. At higher rpms (they were designed for low redline V8's) they actually can have a negative effect on engine performance.
Sorry for the (very) long post but you asked and you got back some dumb-*** responses.
We've all asked stupid questions and we were all newbies once.
Originally Posted by mike420
U need to build your own kit or buy a used one. Anyways, maxima's are not for supercharging. Swaping a better motors will be the best solution and if u like honda,get one and put some 12 lbs of boost in it. Can have both world, i prefer maxima'S by a million time.
You sure about that? Sure the engine is not made to handle 15 psi of boost but I doubt 8-9 psi is anything to worry about on a stock engine.
No way is a stock VQ30DE designed to handle a full bar (14.8lbs PSI) of boost. Compression ratio is too high - 10.5:1. It would work no doubt, but it would shorten the life of your block drastically.
At 10.5:1, you're probably safe maxing (like the pun) out a 9 maybe 10lbs boost safely with stock internals and fuel system. That's for a centrifugal though.
A roots or twin-screw would be much lower - maybe 5 or 6lbs but the 'real world' power would far better than the 10lbs from the belt-driven turbo Stillen offers...
At 10.5:1, you're probably safe maxing (like the pun) out a 9 maybe 10lbs boost safely with stock internals and fuel system. That's for a centrifugal though.
A roots or twin-screw would be much lower - maybe 5 or 6lbs but the 'real world' power would far better than the 10lbs from the belt-driven turbo Stillen offers...
Originally Posted by Flava_24/7
Supercharger lag??
I didnt know superchargers had lag either, quite frankly thats one of the reasons why people do superchargers instead of turbochargers.
This thread has some
in it.
Originally Posted by blackmaxx96
Good lord this thread is filled with completely un-true and worthless information....
wow
wow
But seriously, theres a Forced Induction forum where these types of questions can easily be answered.
I didn't get it done, but when I was living in Houston, Tx back in 2000 I had the opportunity to get my Max supercharged. They were going to beef up my clutch, transmission and brakes for a little over $3800. The only reason I didn't get it done was because they needed my car for about ten days to make sure there were no problems. Also, at the time I was active Army and leaving for Germany in 5 days. My car had 42K miles on it then and they said they would guarantee it for 2 years.
HP/$$ ratio doesn't seem realistic. I'm not bashing forced induction, if I had the money I would do it in a heart beat. I just feel that $3ooo/$1ooo for install is steep for the HP it gives you. If you have the Ca$h to spend go for it!!!!
Centrifugal superchargers don't have lag in the exact same sense that a turbocharger does, but their boost isn't noticeable until very rpm ranges - so it's the exact same result but from different sources.
One is from the slow build of compressed re-used exhaust gas and the other from the nature of centrifgual superchargers.
I can't put it better than quoting the sports compact car website:
"The mass flow rate of a centrifugal supercharger is roughly proportional to the square of the compressor's rotational speed. [sic] This means that boost rises nonlinearly with rpm, and power is biased strongly toward the top end.[sic] A centrifugal supercharger combines the weaknesses of a turbocharger with the weaknesses of a supercharger"
Positive displacements don't suffer lag - centrifugals do.
One is from the slow build of compressed re-used exhaust gas and the other from the nature of centrifgual superchargers.
I can't put it better than quoting the sports compact car website:
"The mass flow rate of a centrifugal supercharger is roughly proportional to the square of the compressor's rotational speed. [sic] This means that boost rises nonlinearly with rpm, and power is biased strongly toward the top end.[sic] A centrifugal supercharger combines the weaknesses of a turbocharger with the weaknesses of a supercharger"
Positive displacements don't suffer lag - centrifugals do.
Originally Posted by devilz05
I didnt know superchargers had lag either, quite frankly thats one of the reasons why people do superchargers instead of turbochargers.
This thread has some
in it.
This thread has some
in it.
Originally Posted by PHAT6
Centrifugal superchargers don't have lag in the exact same sense that a turbocharger does, but their boost isn't noticeable until very rpm ranges - so it's the exact same result but from different sources.
One is from the slow build of compressed re-used exhaust gas and the other from the nature of centrifgual superchargers.
I can't put it better than quoting the sports compact car website:
"The mass flow rate of a centrifugal supercharger is roughly proportional to the square of the compressor's rotational speed. [sic] This means that boost rises nonlinearly with rpm, and power is biased strongly toward the top end.[sic] A centrifugal supercharger combines the weaknesses of a turbocharger with the weaknesses of a supercharger"
Positive displacements don't suffer lag - centrifugals do.
One is from the slow build of compressed re-used exhaust gas and the other from the nature of centrifgual superchargers.
I can't put it better than quoting the sports compact car website:
"The mass flow rate of a centrifugal supercharger is roughly proportional to the square of the compressor's rotational speed. [sic] This means that boost rises nonlinearly with rpm, and power is biased strongly toward the top end.[sic] A centrifugal supercharger combines the weaknesses of a turbocharger with the weaknesses of a supercharger"
Positive displacements don't suffer lag - centrifugals do.
I agree with you the SC's boost not being noticable untill a certain RPM, and then more so in the higher RPMS but there is no lag. The car performs the same as did before the SC in the lower rpms, except that when it hits that sweet spot it really performs.
I like using my leaf blower instead. It gets more hp because its there as soon as i press the trigger. Its kinda like NAAAWWWSSSS. I only use it if there is a really fast civic next to me, dont want them to fly away from me. But i have a guage on it and i hit 13psi before on stock internals. Only bad thing i have to have 2 gas tanks now and go through alot more gas when i use the blower. But a supercharger thats unheard of, just get the turbonator from ebay works just as good im sure.
Read up in the Supercharge Forum a bit. There is alot of information on used kits and you can always purchase a starter kit from me and build your own kit. There is no way to buy from Stillen any longer.
-matt
-matt
i have a kit for sale http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?t=463141
Originally Posted by 90stanza
^^^^^ which one? the CA or the SR?
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