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Old 07-23-2006, 07:44 AM
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Must I do an alignment?

I plan on replacing my LCA's/sway bar end links & springs/struts. The springs/struts are Eibach & Illuminas which were removed intact from another local member's ride (used for a year) when he switched to KSports. They are complete, including the mounts & strut bearings. My question is an alignment required since the mechanic won't be touching the tie-rods? I've read on here that since the Max only has toe-in adjustment, an alignment is not REQUIRED. I know it won't hurt, but is it a necessity? I had an alignment less than a year ago & the roads here are in pretty good shape. The car suffers no tendency to pull (apart from low speed issues related to my bad ball joint.

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Old 07-23-2006, 07:45 AM
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its a good idea, so is getting the ball joint fixed before the change
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Old 07-23-2006, 08:16 AM
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Yeah, from experience, even though you don't touch the tie rods you should still get alignment. My steering wheel was turned 45* to track straight after installing my suspension. Also you should get some camber bolts (they're like $25-30) so that you can adjust the camber back to spec after the insallation. Just make sure you tell the idiot at the alignment shop that you have camber bolts and that he needs to use them.
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Originally Posted by the_3d_man
Yeah, from experience, even though you don't touch the tie rods you should still get alignment. My steering wheel was turned 45* to track straight after installing my suspension. Also you should get some camber bolts (they're like $25-30) so that you can adjust the camber back to spec after the insallation. Just make sure you tell the idiot at the alignment shop that you have camber bolts and that he needs to use them.
Thx for the comments...do I need camber bolts even though the Eibach drop is only 1.5"? I'll search for them locally (toronto area).
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Old 07-23-2006, 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by scubasteve
its a good idea, so is getting the ball joint fixed before the change
yeah, the LCA's come with ball joint installed.
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Old 07-23-2006, 10:32 AM
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oh ok, drop on then =]
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Old 07-23-2006, 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by 95bluse
Thx for the comments...do I need camber bolts even though the Eibach drop is only 1.5"? I'll search for them locally (toronto area).
I had them & just used them for my Progress/Illumina drop.
I don't think they're necessary, only if your drop is 2.0 or more.
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Old 07-23-2006, 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Geo T
I had them & just used them for my Progress/Illumina drop.
I don't think they're necessary, only if your drop is 2.0 or more.
That's what I thought..thx
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Originally Posted by 95bluse
I plan on replacing my LCA's/sway bar end links & springs/struts.
Sooooooooooo your replacing your entire suspension, basically.

Why would you need an alignment?

Thats sort of like changing your oil, but leaving the old filter on.
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Old 07-24-2006, 03:36 AM
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I replaced my struts and didn't get an alignment. Nothing really moved. That was 40,000 miles ago. 274k miles on the maxima and I still change the oil filter every other time I change oil. But I do change the oil every 3,000 miles, synthetic or not.
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Old 07-24-2006, 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by njmaxseltd
Sooooooooooo your replacing your entire suspension, basically.

Why would you need an alignment?

Thats sort of like changing your oil, but leaving the old filter on.
Hey njmaxseltd, I have read lots of your posts & have agreed with you on all of them e.g the "bent frame" thread, you know what you're talking about.
Well consider this...the LCA has no adjustments, it's bolted to the undercarriage & moves vertically. I'm basically changing it because my balljoints are shot. I know they can be replaced, but I've already gone that route previously. The struts are also attached with no form of adjustment. The only reason why I can see an alignment might be needed is that there might be a small variance when everything is bolted back together due to the bolts holes not being completely snug with the bolts That sounds convoluted, but that's the best way I can describe it.

My analogy to your oil change point -> after changing brake pads, should I bleed the brakes? Not necessary, but it's a good thing to bleed your brakes occasionally...
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you should always always ALWAYS bleed the brakes after you change them, that is a horrible example.
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Old 07-24-2006, 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by scubasteve
you should always always ALWAYS bleed the brakes after you change them, that is a horrible example.
You always bleed your brakes after replacing the BRAKE PADS????
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Old 07-24-2006, 08:41 AM
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personally i change the fluid everytime i do the brakes too. If anything looks even a little worn i replace that too. Brakes are one thing you dont take any chances with.
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If the ride height changes due to new spring, I think you need an alignment.
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The LCA's also are an integral part of the front end geometry. You're replacing rubber bushings which also shift the mount points a 1/32" or so. It all adds up. With that much change I'd get an alignment.

Only try and get a $35 toe in adjustment rather than the $95 "alignment" I got. DOH!!!!

By the way. I did this same job and just love the improved responsiveness. The sway bar bushings are V. important I think. You'll be pleasantly surprised!.
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Originally Posted by xlr8r
The LCA's also are an integral part of the front end geometry. You're replacing rubber bushings which also shift the mount points a 1/32" or so. It all adds up. With that much change I'd get an alignment.

Only try and get a $35 toe in adjustment rather than the $95 "alignment" I got. DOH!!!!

By the way. I did this same job and just love the improved responsiveness. The sway bar bushings are V. important I think. You'll be pleasantly surprised!.
great tip..appreciate it. I'm looking forward to a tighter front-end, mine is so damn loose it's a challenge to drive confidently.
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