Do you have a rear sag problem, say when you have people in the back seat or if your trunk is full of stuff? I'm not talking about alittle but more of a noticeable drop? I had the intrax springs and didn't liked how they sagged when you put a little weight in the rear...thanks.

 

Dont tell me that, I'll be installing them today if I can get hold of my mechanic.. I went with the standard KYB shock/struts.. By the way, did you paint the springs?, red seems to stand out... My car is black..

 

Install them yourself. Springs won't be hard, just time consuming. (Lack of air-tools). You won't see the red unless you get down and look. My car is black too, I've also wondered about this...

 

Cool, no red... The mechanic is a good friend of mine and he'll do everything for $50.. He would rather work on cars and make extra cash than being yelled at by his girlfriend.. You got to luv her!!!

 

You must have misunderstood my post, was looking for opinions from current B&G spring owners b/c i do not have them myself yet and wanted to know if there was a rear sag problem...i wouldn't know myself b/c i do not have the springs....yet

 

Negitive. No one who has them has ever had a sagging problem.

 

50 !? You LUCKY bastard! They usually charge like $175 for normals. I am not special like you, so I will do it myself.

 

Good to hear that there is no sag problem, by any chance how much did you pay for yours and where did you get them? I got quoted for $200 for install and they said "drop it off in the morning and we should have it done in 9-12 hours" i was like, "i'll do it myself"

 

I got them for like 175-200 shipped from Shox.com. (dont remember too well). Gives you a 1.6 drop all around, and supposed to be comfy. $200?! 9-12 hours!?!

I said to myself there is no way in hell I am paying that much for labor when the springs themselves cost that much or less !! As long as your not installing shocks/struts, the springs should be e-z.

 

im good at mechanics and so is my friend, we dropped the front last night, we have air tools, spring compressor, torque wrench, all the goodies, new everything, and somehow i have a huge rattling problem, its not just noise, the entire car shakes, this is one thing i would suggest to get done proffesionally, bc mine is going to go to the shop now

 

How many miles is on your car ? What trim line is it ? Did you use your stock dust boots, covers, ect. ?

 

He is a certified mechanic and he does jobs on the side to make extra money.. he gets paid hourly at the shop he works at.. It will probably take 2 hours or so, working on it at my place.. I paid $159 for springs and $260 for the struts/shocks plus $30 shipping from shox.com.. Let us know whats causing the rattling. I'm also replacing the boot, bearing and spacers...

Mark

 

i dont know if the trim and whatnot matters, 95 GXE with 92K miles, rode smooth the other day, has to be something with the springs, though i watched as the car rolled and they werent moving, sounded more like it was coming from the connection with the struts near the bottom, how much do you think replacing the bearing matters, or at least how do i tell if the old one is bad

 

My Sprints have this problem, so I can definitely understand if B&Gs do (Considering Sprints are harsher and larger drop). Exactly how much weight and how much drop do you mean? When I put 100 lbs. in the very front of my trunk (the rear od car), it may sag about .5" maximum.
As for the people who want to paint springs, believe me its not worth it. Sprints are painted BRIGHT blue, but with the drop you will not even be able to see them (and I have very open and exposing wheels). I suppose if you get down to looks you can see them, but then you also attract attention to some dirty-@ss wheelwells.
-Cyrus

 

Well when your in there your might as well install struts too. Installing springs or struts is exactly the same procedure. There are no shortcuts to doing one over the other.

Btw... If you have 60,000 miles or more you'll need new boots too. Get those, they are alot cheaper then new struts, well the front ones anyways.

 

I dont have the B&G springs but I have APEX which is the same drop as the B&G. The rears on mine seem to be about .25 inches higher than the fronts. It might be because I have an auto which lowers the front more.

 

Major sagging problem. Atleast it looks very bad! They are nice springs, very comfy (atleast on stock struts), but the rear looks sags big time.

Have you researched into any possible solutions? I was thinking "Spring Spacers"...if there is such a thing. Or use some rubber hose padding. Even a 1/4" decrease in drop would be nice.

Pls, let me know...
Thanks.

 

I put my B&G's in on my '95 SE with 59,000 miles about a month ago w/stock everything else and its been beautiful. Better handling, WAY better looking, and I honestly didn't notice a change in ride quality. I guess I'll just have to wait till I get the after-market struts eh ?

Oh yea, I have no sagging problems whatsoever. If you have 17" or 18" wheels this drop is the drop for you !

 

How much of a sag problem are we looking at here, in your case? Is it a measureable difference? Is this when it is on level ground without any weight in the trunk? I was questioning whether if there was a sagging problem with weight in the trunk...

 

i have a sag problem with my bg's

 

The sagging problem is with empty trunk (just the spare tire).
Since I have 2 1999 Maxima SE, one Bone stock and one modded, I had the opportunity to compare the difference in wheel gap. The difference is 1.5" in the front and 1.6" in the rear. So I guess there is a measurable 0.1" difference.

Even stock, the wheel gap is 4" front and 3.5" rear. When lowered the difference in wheel gap becomes very obvious and hence the ugly sagged look.

I was thinking spacers from Autozone which should decrease the drop, increase the wheel gap in the rear by 0.25". However, this would reduce the spring travel in a already lowered car. When I hit a bump, my rear would just jump... What are your thoughts...

 

Do some of you guys getting the sagging problem w/ the B&G's have lots of audio or other heavy gear in the trunk?

I don't have any audio, but I want to be able to have cargo/passengers and not have my car sagging a$$ significantly.

I just placed an order for my B&G's. HEEELP! Hurry!

(Buyer's remorse - thinking maybe I should get the H&R's instead!)

Thanks.

 

Nope. No sagging problem here buddy boy.

 

Craig Mack - do you have any pics of your car with you B&G's on?

 

The film is being developed as we speak, should be done about 7:30pm eastern time.

 

I've read every post there is about B&G's. Only one max.org member claimed rear-end sagging problems with four (4) 180 pound guys in his vehicle and a massive stereo system in the trunk (What car wouldn't sag under these conditions?) Almost universally, those who have installed B&G's enthusiastically endorse their use.

First, they find the 1.6" more aesthetic than the 1.3"-1.4" drop offered by H&R's or Eibachs. Two, they find them equally as comfortable as H&R's (if not more comfortable) and certainly less harsh that Intrax, Sprints or Eibachs. (See MCROS' post/thread who has had both H&R's and B&G's in his car) Third, at $180, they are less expensive than H&R's or Eibach's ($200-$260). Furthermore, B&G's are also used in high-end European imports such as Audi's and Mercedes-Benz and are manufactured by a company having over 50 years experience in coil spring development and a track record comprised of over 1,500 after-market applications.

I am not saying H&R's are ill-suited as many Max.org members prefer and recommend these springs too; however, your observation that B&G's are unsatisfactory springs is innacurate and lacks sufficient, credible, support from the users of this website. There is no evidence that these springs are inferior.

When combined with an "appropriate" performance strut/shock (such as KYB AGX's or Koni's), they offer excellent handling enhancements to the 4th generation Maxima.

 

You put that beautifully. I applaud you.

 

you sed agx or koni- how bout gr2?
im finding it difficult to get an answer on this

 

Believe me folks - I couldn't be happier to find more positive accounts of people using the B&G's. That's the drop I want & I know B&G is a quality manufacturer supplying OE for some pretty impressive european badges, among them, Mercedes-Benz.

I am merely a seeker of information, not a basher of B&G!

Peace.

 

i like gr2s, they go well with my sprints

 

coool thanks
how do you know if you need new boots and stuff like that b4 you actually get into the install? im not too sure about this aspect of the suspension

 

look in there, there will be black covers near the top, the are probably torn to pieces like mine are, especially bc of the year, if yours is fairly new they may still be ok, if something looks broken it will be obvious, its just plastic-like stuff

 

The rear boots (especially) tend to get shredded after a few years. With a 1998, you're right on the edge. Visually inspect the boots & feel the backside of them too. If they're torn, it'll be obvious.

Unless they're in perfect shape, it's relatively cheap insurance to just replace them anyway.

 

i just put in b+g springs (1.6" drop) and kyb agx shocks. it's been 3 weeks and so far so good. the ride is nice and i have the settings at 2 in the front and 4 in the rear. there is slight squeaking from the rears but that's from lack of wire wrap on one of the coils. i'll be fixin that today.

as for sagging, i haven't seen anything yet. i've loaded the car up with 4 adults and so far so good.

 

Could you please get into more detail about your sag problem? What year max do you have? What struts did you use or did you use stock struts? Is it visually sagging or have you actually put a tape measure up on level ground and physically checked? Have an stereo equipment in the trunk or any extra weight in the trunk? I'm not doubting you at all but these seem to be new springs to us maxima owners and would like to get all the correct information out in the open.

 

I'm still trying to get a handle on the "sagging" issue that a couple people report w/ the B&G's. (again, so nobody flames, 95% of the reports I've read have been positive on the B&G's)

Are those of you reporting "sag" sure you're not maybe just referring to the way the wheel looks in the wheel well?

What I mean is, the rear wheels on the Max are "tucked in" (have the appearance of a higher offset value) further vs. on the front. When you lower the car, this feature is exaggerated, visually, imho. -A problem for the Max.

I'm anticipating this, and considering using 5mm hub-centric wheel spacers in-between the wheels and the hub for my rear wheels, only. This would move the wheels slightly "outward" and make them appear more flush with the edge of the wheelwell.

(Effectively, this would change my +40mm offset wheel to a +35mm offset on the rear, only)

You might want to look into it - maybe that's what's actually causing the problem for you (visually), instead of "sag," which is really a different thing. If there were lots of other reports of "spring sag" w/ the B&G's, I'd be more open to the possibility, but the posts I've read do not support this as being a frequent problem.

-Not saying I disbelieve those who claim their B&G's are sagging. I'm just trying to see if "what we have here, is a [simple] failure to communicate."

H&R makes high-quality alloy wheel spacers.
(Your bolt pattern is: 5 x 114.3)

www.hrsprings.com

 

Very very small sag problem, I've had mine for a few month's now. The rear is about half an inch lower...no biggie.

 

I think you are right on the money. I just realized that the rear wheels are indeed tucked in a little. Therefore, the 0.1" difference "APPEARS" to be amplified. I had my wife video the car while I drove it around in the neighborhood. The car looks quite beautiful in the video. It's probably just me.
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From 6 feet away, you couldn't tell. But I look at it 6 inches away and start to complain.

Nevermind...

PS: I'll still give the spring spacers a try this weekend

 

dashingMax,

Wow. Looking at that pic. you just posted of your car sold me. It looks NICE! I think I'm going to go with the B&G's afterall. That drop looks sooooooo right.

Btw, are those 17"s or 18"s?

Cheers!

 

Just curious: are you 5-speed, or autotragic?

(I'm trying to figure out if there's a correlation between reports of sagging & tranny type)

The word w/ springs has always been that the heavier auto tranny settles the front down slightly lower than would the 5-speed on the same springs.

My theory: Maybe those w/ manual trannys report "sagging" more frequently because the fronts sit slightly higher than the rears, exaggerating the visual perception that the rear is "sagging."

Hmmm. . . on the other hand, maybe I just have too much time on my hands.