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Old Dec 19, 2008 | 12:02 PM
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Help decide: Bi Xenon or single kit

I'm stuck between purchasing a bi xenon 6000k 9004 kit or just a single kit. Do i really need a bi xenon kit? Are there any benefits or anything i need to know about both? Thanks for reading. Serious comments only please.
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Old Dec 19, 2008 | 12:12 PM
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Bi-Xenon retrofit with good HID projectors. That way both your high beam and low beam are functional and HID.
Old Dec 19, 2008 | 12:17 PM
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well i don't have projectors and don't plan on buying any. is it still worth it? thanks for the reply by the way
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If you're not going to put (retro fit) some projectors in .... then an HID kit is a waste of time and money. Our cars are not set up for HID systems - that is why eveyone retroz and fits projectors.

You need to do some more reading to be honest. Bi-xenon will allow you to have hi and low beams, single xenon will only give you low beams. Yes there are differences, why else would they make single -vs- bi-xenon? If you are serious about doing this, please read and for God sake boy!~! S E A R C H .... this thread is a waste of space.

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Bi-Xenon retrofit with good HID projectors. That way both your high beam and low beam are functional and HID.
+1, this will give you a better output. If your just going hid, then i would get a bi-xenon kit but that just my opinion.
Old Dec 19, 2008 | 12:25 PM
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if u choose 6000k its probably because u want them for the good looking not really for light output, because in the stock reflector housing u will not have good light output, u will have al lot of glare and light everywhere, so if ur planning on putting them on the stock housing go for a single xenon, cuz if u go bixenon with the hi beam u will blind everyone on the road
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if u choose 6000k its probably because u want them for the good looking not really for light output, because in the stock reflector housing u will not have good light output, u will have al lot of glare and light everywhere, so if ur planning on putting them on the stock housing go for a single xenon, cuz if u go bixenon with the hi beam u will blind everyone on the road
Wow ... just when I wasn't sure it could get any worse.

I'm not trying to be an *** here, but you all need to READ and SEARCH. This subject has been covered about 5,489,301,920,339,800,029,330 times on these forums and as I already stated, this thread is a waste of HD space.

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You don't get that an HID kit is not what makes it a bi-xenon or single xenon set up .... anybody, do you? It's the projector that determines that, plain and simple. The ballast (HID kit) only has one output signal to the light. Therefore, you're not going to get hi and low beam w/o having projectors. You will only get low beam output and it will look like **** in the stock housing (w/o projectors). Common people ... READ first, then post, and by all means ... if you don't know what the hell you're talking about, DON'T POST at all. Better to be thunk a fool of then to type it and let everybody know for sure that you are.
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Originally Posted by Cveega
if u choose 6000k its probably because u want them for the good looking not really for light output, because in the stock reflector housing u will not have good light output, u will have al lot of glare and light everywhere, so if ur planning on putting them on the stock housing go for a single xenon, cuz if u go bixenon with the hi beam u will blind everyone on the road
WHy would he need high beams when his lows would be blinding?
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cuz if u go bixenon with the hi beam u will blind everyone on the road
Do you normally run YOUR high beams into oncoming traffic or when you're behind someone? You must have a lot of enemies!
Old Dec 19, 2008 | 12:40 PM
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okay i get it , if i want to enjoy more output (lumen's i assume) i should buy a projector setup, or make one. So it is not worth it to buy lights unless i have a projector.. hmm haven't heard that before.
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okay i get it , if i want to enjoy more output (lumen's i assume) i should buy a projector setup, or make one. So it is not worth it to buy lights unless i have a projector.. hmm haven't heard that before.
Well now you have. They are a waste in the oem housings.
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Obviousely, you don't get it mate. lol

Try searching for "HID Set up" or "HID ..... xxxx anydamnthing" and see what you get. Oh, in case nobody told you, the SEARCH is at the top of every ... yes, EVERY page at the right hand side.

Old Dec 19, 2008 | 12:46 PM
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how much do projectors cost? TO buy or to make.
Old Dec 19, 2008 | 12:48 PM
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"Why come you don't have a tattoo? ... Where's your tattoo?"

How much do you have to spend? lol
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how much do projectors cost? TO buy or to make.
Depends and depends. You can buy projectors for 100-400 a set . Then you would need bulbs and ballasts and if you want a shroud to make it nice. To have some one do it also depends on what you get done. I do them for 100-200 depending on the projectors you choose.
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What it comes down to James is that it is your decision! Legally you need to have high beams, so that answers that question. If you have time and money, the projector is the BEST way to go. You will get the same answer in this forum almost everytime. No matter what you do to try to aim the lights with a Bi-xenon kit, you will get glare.

However, people have them on other cars that in my opinon glare a lot more than a 98 factory housing. Decision Time!
Old Dec 19, 2008 | 12:53 PM
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How much do you have to spend? lol
never mind this junk all i wanted was some straight answers, i know how to search, i did search, i saw projectors, they are really expensive, more than i want to spend on a car. My headlights are not cutting it, they are dull and i cannot see a thing. I wanted brighter lights. Maybe 5000k? i have no idea anymore because i get so many different answers. All i need is help deciding and some one to point me in the right direction please.
Old Dec 19, 2008 | 12:54 PM
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What it comes down to James is that it is your decision! Legally you need to have high beams, so that answers that question. If you have time and money, the projector is the BEST way to go. You will get the same answer in this forum almost everytime. No matter what you do to try to aim the lights with a Bi-xenon kit, you will get glare.

However, people have them on other cars that in my opinon glare a lot more than a 98 factory housing. Decision Time!
Thank you! a answer without mindless tangents.
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okay i get it , if i want to enjoy more output (lumen's i assume) i should buy a projector setup, or make one. So it is not worth it to buy lights unless i have a projector.. hmm haven't heard that before.
yep, i bought a bi-xenon 4300k kit and stuck it in stock 95 housings, then i upgraded to 97 lamps from depo lights (almost no glare but crappy pattern - thus not seeing that much more) so i can retro projectors - they're pretty cheap on ebay (even bi-xenons). so make yourself a x-mas gift - xenon d2s hid kit and bi-xenon projectors - all can be had for under $200 shipped, and then put some work into a nice retro.
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To answer you question about brighter, 5000k is brighter than halogen but not as bright as oem 4300 or 4100k.
Old Dec 19, 2008 | 12:59 PM
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To answer you question about brighter, 5000k is brighter than halogen but not as bright as oem 4300 or 4100k.
Thanks, i think i understand the temperature deal. higher K means less output. Lower K means more out put (4000k most output, 8000k and above, least output.)

"yep, i bought a bi-xenon 4300k kit and stuck it in stock 95 housings, then i upgraded to 97 lamps from depo lights (almost no glare but crappy pattern - thus not seeing that much more) so i can retro projectors - they're pretty cheap on ebay (even bi-xenons). so make yourself a x-mas gift - xenon d2s hid kit and bi-xenon projectors - all can be had for under $200 shipped, and then put some work into a nice retro."

So your saying you do retro? Or your saying it is cheaper to just buy them off eBay.

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What it comes down to James is that it is your decision! Legally you need to have high beams, so that answers that question. If you have time and money, the projector is the BEST way to go. You will get the same answer in this forum almost everytime. No matter what you do to try to aim the lights with a Bi-xenon kit, you will get glare.

However, people have them on other cars that in my opinon glare a lot more than a 98 factory housing. Decision Time!
legally you can't have an aftermarket hid kit installed without a proper reflector/projector.
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Thanks, i think i understand the temperature deal. higher K means less output. Lower K means more out put (4000k most output, 8000k and above, least amount.

"yep, i bought a bi-xenon 4300k kit and stuck it in stock 95 housings, then i upgraded to 97 lamps from depo lights (almost no glare but crappy pattern - thus not seeing that much more) so i can retro projectors - they're pretty cheap on ebay (even bi-xenons). so make yourself a x-mas gift - xenon d2s hid kit and bi-xenon projectors - all can be had for under $200 shipped, and then put some work into a nice retro."

So your saying you do retro? Or your saying it is cheaper to just buy them off eBay.
kzoosho does retros (check out his thread "o no another retro"), i'll do mine myself when i have the time.
and yes - the parts are cheaper on ebay for the job.
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legally you can't have an aftermarket hid kit installed without a proper reflector/projector.
Legally retrofits are illegal lol.

Originally Posted by JumpinJimmy
Thanks, i think i understand the temperature deal. higher K means less output. Lower K means more out put (4000k most output, 8000k and above, least output.)

"yep, i bought a bi-xenon 4300k kit and stuck it in stock 95 housings, then i upgraded to 97 lamps from depo lights (almost no glare but crappy pattern - thus not seeing that much more) so i can retro projectors - they're pretty cheap on ebay (even bi-xenons). so make yourself a x-mas gift - xenon d2s hid kit and bi-xenon projectors - all can be had for under $200 shipped, and then put some work into a nice retro."

So your saying you do retro? Or your saying it is cheaper to just buy them off eBay.
I do retros but you can always drop in hids. Would it be worth it? Nope . Can you do it? Yes.
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Legally retrofits are illegal lol.
please elaborate...
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Legally retrofits are illegal lol.



I do retros but you can always drop in hids. Would it be worth it? Nope . Can you do it? Yes.
Drop in HID's? sorry can you explain a little bit. Just confused about what your saying.
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legally you can't have an aftermarket hid kit installed without a proper reflector/projector.
Well stated, and also true!
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please elaborate...
If you look at the law books my friend. Even retrofited headlights unless a factory option are illegal. Will that stop us, well no. We will still retro fit. DO we get messed with , no. As long as its clean and not blinding the cops wont mess wit ya.
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If you look at the law books my friend. Even retrofited headlights unless a factory option are illegal. Will that stop us, well no. We will still retro fit. DO we get messed with , no. As long as its clean and not blinding the cops wont mess wit ya.
good to know. thx
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Drop in HID's? sorry can you explain a little bit. Just confused about what your saying.
Im saying that you CAN put a hid kit in your car. It WILL not perform the way you want it do. If you do retro then you can harness hids full potential and what they were meant to do.
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Im saying that you CAN put a hid kit in your car. It WILL not perform the way you want it do. If you do retro then you can harness hids full potential and what they were meant to do.
so lets say this, i find some one to retrofit projectors (say you) for a certain price. Install those and just save the hid kit for later after i have the projectors. If i use projectors with just stock lights will they perform better?
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by law, it is illegal to modify the lighting of the car in anyway. I.E., the red and clears are illegal, led tailights are illegal, hid fogs are illegal. Unless it comes stock with the car, it is illegal. However, the law is pursued with law officers that will pursue legal or illegal issues on your car. Hence, if you are most likely to do a retro-fit, they won't bother you because you're not really blinding anyone or anything.

Light output does suck. A lot of people have HIDs, yes they are illegal, and yes they glare other people's vision. However, i have cefiro's which require h4 that has a glare shield on them which cuts off some of the blinding to other drivers. i lower the output of the housing to the point where i can still see better than stock. Considering i'm pretty low, a normal car driving towards me does not get blinded where they cannot see anything.

Do i want projectors? Why of course, i've always wanted projectors. But everytime i look at the prices for good projectors, ballasts, shrouds, and all that good stuff, it runs somewhere around 500-600.

If you cannot see at night, see if changing to sylvania silverstars will help. If it doesn't, and if its pretty dangerous, see if you can add fog lights. If both of those answers are no, then hid set is the cheapest solution right now. However, everyone is right that if you are not considerate, blinding on-coming traffic is a bad thing.

A test to see if your hid's are blinding people. If you drive when there is a police officer coming towards you, he doesn't turn around and pull you over, you should be ok. If he does, you better lower that beam quick and try to figure out how not to blind people.
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Do i want projectors? Why of course, i've always wanted projectors. But everytime i look at the prices for good projectors, ballasts, shrouds, and all that good stuff, it runs somewhere around 500-600.
couldn't have said it any better, thank you, its crazy that all this is illegal. had no idea. thanks
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You don't get that an HID kit is not what makes it a bi-xenon or single xenon set up .... anybody, do you? It's the projector that determines that, plain and simple.
Wrong. You CAN get a bi-xenon HID kit without using a projector. It has a shield that is activated by the output from the high beams. It moves the shield that changes the pattern of the light. Bi-xenon projectors have this shield built into the projector.

To the OP, FWIW, if it is not worth doing right, it is not worth doing at all. Get the proper parts, do a nice retro fit (Infiniti FX35 bi-xenon projectors with an OEM HID kit (I like the Infiniti kits myself) and a 4300K bulb) and you will be VERY happy.
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Wrong. You CAN get a bi-xenon HID kit without using a projector. It has a shield that is activated by the output from the high beams. It moves the shield that changes the pattern of the light. Bi-xenon projectors have this shield built into the projector.

To the OP, FWIW, if it is not worth doing right, it is not worth doing at all. Get the proper parts, do a nice retro fit (Infiniti FX35 bi-xenon projectors with an OEM HID kit (I like the Infiniti kits myself) and a 4300K bulb) and you will be VERY happy.
Do you have an HID set up in your car? Hummm .... if not, how do you know what advice to give? Just wondering. I'd be interested to see this "bi-xenon kit with reflector" you speak of ... sounds hi-tech!
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Do you have an HID set up in your car? Hummm .... if not, how do you know what advice to give? Just wondering. I'd be interested to see this "bi-xenon kit with reflector" you speak of ... sounds hi-tech!
They do have bi xenon KITS and they suck ***** lol.
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They do have bi xenon KITS and they suck ***** lol.
ROFL ..... well, I guess if that is what he wants, it's his car .....

lol
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couldn't have said it any better, thank you, its crazy that all this is illegal. had no idea. thanks
Almost any aftermarket modification to a vehicle is considered illegal, lights or otherwise. There have been turboed vehicles that got pulled over and by law they had to show up in court with all stock parts reinstalled or the car would be impounded. As per sticky: http://forums.maxima.org/4th-generat...-hid-kits.html
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Seriously... this thread has a lot of good information. I'm not gonna be an *** and tell you too search OP. I'm hoping this info has helped you so far.

And the point i wanted to make was:

Get Koozsho to do a retro for you with bixenon projectors. This will give you the maximum amount of light on the road.

If you get a kit and no projectors, you will be a few months after b/c you are not happy w/the intensity and beam pattern.

Trust us, most of us have been in your shoes.
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if i were you, i might opt to get the r34 headlights and use the 9005 and 9006 bulbs. (i believe thats what they use) 9005 and 9006 bulbs are soooo much better in light output imo...but then again, it might have been the housing. Haven't seen the r34 light output in person, but i believe ANY bulb is better than the stock 9004...



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