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Old Feb 20, 2010 | 04:43 PM
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hey all i just replaced my clutch and slave cylinder my problem is while the car is in motion it is a pain in the *** to put the car in 1st gear like if im rollin to a stop i adjusted the adjustment on the clutch pedal with no improvement i have bled both bleeders i dont think that is a issue and its only 1st gear can anyone help with this
Old Feb 20, 2010 | 05:02 PM
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what kind of oil did you put back in it?
what happens if you push the clutch twice?
try reverse then 1st without releasing the pedal
Old Feb 20, 2010 | 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by smai555
what kind of oil did you put back in it?
what happens if you push the clutch twice?
try reverse then 1st without releasing the pedal
when the car is not rolling it is fine i cant go to reverse while im rolling if i go over 8 mph its really hard to get in first i have to shove it if im 5 mph it will go in to gear easy prior to clutch replacement it was fine i put in gl-4
Old Feb 20, 2010 | 08:03 PM
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mine does the same thing...i believe it's normal
Old Feb 21, 2010 | 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by smai555
what kind of oil did you put back in it?
what happens if you push the clutch twice?
try reverse then 1st without releasing the pedal
??????

You don't put oil in a clutch system. You use DOT 3 or DOT 4 brake fluid.
You also don't try to jam gears from 1st to R or opposite without the clutch pushed in. I hope you don't actually have a manual car!

OP: Sounds like it is a 'normal' problem. I don't think there's much you can do about it really. My 5spd does the same thing - before and after my rebuild. You can try to double clutch (go to N, let the clutch out, re-engage the clutch, select 1st) as you are coming to a stop, but it doesn't always work. Could be syncros or a mis-aligned shift fork, or a sloppy MS inside the trans. Don't jam it into 1st ... not a good thing. You risk breaking things (springs, shift fork, shifter, teeth on the shafts inside the trans). Just something us manual guys have to live with ... unelss you wanna tear it all down and see if you can figure it out.
Old Feb 21, 2010 | 09:53 AM
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yeap mine does the same thing, only thing you can do for smoother shifting is but good oil in the tranny like amsoil or something helped my car a lot specially when its freezing out.
Old Feb 21, 2010 | 11:29 AM
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yeap mine does the same thing, only thing you can do for smoother shifting is but good oil in the tranny like amsoil or something helped my car a lot specially when its freezing out.
thanks guys my brothers max did the same thing and i was like mine doesnt do that then i put a new clutch in and it started doing it but its not to bad to live with was just wondering if some one knew a way around it i used dot 3 brake fluid for the master cylinder i think what the dude above (smai555) meant is what kind of gear oil did i use when i put the tranny back on which was gl-4
Old Feb 21, 2010 | 02:17 PM
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??????

You don't put oil in a clutch system. You use DOT 3 or DOT 4 brake fluid.
You also don't try to jam gears from 1st to R or opposite without the clutch pushed in. I hope you don't actually have a manual car!
i was referring to the clutch job he did in which the OP knew what i was talking about

of course the clutch pedal would be pushed down thats why i said "without RELEASING the pedal"

and yes i do have a manual car i hope you dont read for a living
Old Feb 21, 2010 | 03:05 PM
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give the throttle a little blip and it will make it easier to get into 1st while still rolling
Old Feb 21, 2010 | 04:25 PM
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you should NEVER have to double clutch your car. i did my 5spd swap and it goes in just fine. pump the petal with your hand by pulling it all the way towards you then to the floor a few times giving the petal the FULL travel to help work out the air. it still sounds like you have air in there somewhere
Old Feb 21, 2010 | 05:04 PM
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This is normal on all maximas. (and most cars as far as I know)

The maxima has enough TQ to get going in second anyways... Hell i've moved off in 3rd while teaching my girl how to drive.

If the car is still rolling and you need to gear down to move again. 2nd gear is more than enough to get you going again.

I dont know why this is such a big issue.
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Old Feb 21, 2010 | 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by essential1
This is normal on all maximas. (and most cars as far as I know)

The maxima has enough TQ to get going in second anyways... Hell i've moved off in 3rd while teaching my girl how to drive.

If the car is still rolling and you need to gear down to move again. 2nd gear is more than enough to get you going again.

I dont know why this is such a big issue.
Exactly right....I drove 5 speed car for many years and I never put gear into 1st to move again when rolling slowly on neutral...2nd is the way to go...1st in such a case is overkill lol

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Old Feb 22, 2010 | 12:02 AM
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and why would you need to do that anyway? thats just retarted
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Old Feb 22, 2010 | 06:27 AM
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thanks for all the input i was just curious if it was something i did wrong during the clutch install only because it didnt do it before
Old Feb 22, 2010 | 06:41 AM
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Originally Posted by MoncefA33



It's ok... we're in the 4th gen section. I forgot they dont have wicked fast dek's and mad grippy LSDs in their A32...
Old Feb 22, 2010 | 06:57 AM
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It's ok... we're in the 4th gen section. I forgot they dont have wicked fast dek's and mad grippy LSDs in their A32...
lol i want a lsd though
Old Feb 22, 2010 | 07:16 AM
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Originally Posted by luke95gxe
thanks for all the input i was just curious if it was something i did wrong during the clutch install only because it didnt do it before
I think u need to be more clear....

are u sayin, before the clutch replacement the car would switch to first easier than it does now?

THe synchros inside of the transmission allows for the ease of gear engagement. If the sychros for first are worn OR if u replaced tranny fluid with some lesser fluid, then gear engagement will "feel" different.
Old Feb 22, 2010 | 07:22 AM
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I think u need to be more clear....

are u sayin, before the clutch replacement the car would switch to first easier than it does now?

THe synchros inside of the transmission allows for the ease of gear engagement. If the sychros for first are worn OR if u replaced tranny fluid with some lesser fluid, then gear engagement will "feel" different.
yes thats what im tryin to say thank you prior to clutch installment it went into first gear alot easier i believe that the gear oil was gl-5 that was in it i got this car from a friend thats what he said was in it i put gl-4 in it
Old Feb 22, 2010 | 07:30 AM
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Nissan recommends GL-4, 80W-90


I know what u mean, cuz u def noticed a differnence. I think i saw online somewhere ppl tried using GL-5. Do a search

Prolly jus need a better fluid

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Old Feb 22, 2010 | 10:47 AM
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depending on how hard it is, it could be the natural tendency of manual transmissions not wanting to go in to 1st gear because of high shaft speed differential (especially 95-96 maxima transmissions because of a single 1st gear synchro rather than double 1st gear synchro like they had in 97+ years), or you could have a worn out 1st gear synchro exacerbating the problem, or you could have a clutch engagement problem (though you stated you adjusted the clutch and noticed no difference, so it's probably one of the first two).
Old Feb 22, 2010 | 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Nealoc187
depending on how hard it is, it could be the natural tendency of manual transmissions not wanting to go in to 1st gear because of high shaft speed differential (especially 95-96 maxima transmissions because of a single 1st gear synchro rather than double 1st gear synchro like they had in 97+ years), or you could have a worn out 1st gear synchro exacerbating the problem, or you could have a clutch engagement problem (though you stated you adjusted the clutch and noticed no difference, so it's probably one of the first two).


Also - Sammi ....

I don't read for a living, but I try to help people here w/o an attitude. There's no need to be rude. You might need help in the future and if you give an attitude, people are not going to be so willing to help you. Not going to argue with you on this, it's a mute point. Stick around long enough and you'll understand.

Old Feb 22, 2010 | 12:19 PM
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That actually sounds about normal. Most manual cars I've owned don't want to go into first easily at anything above 10mph or so. These transmissions seem to have pretty weak syncros as well. At this point I don't even bother with first until I am at a stop, or even second unless I'm going less than 20. My syncros are horrible.

Hmm...excuses for a 6sp swap? hehehe
Old Apr 27, 2010 | 02:02 PM
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Everyone be jealous, lol i can go into first ~ 20mph on a warm tranni. Could be a good chance that that the 97 and up maximas have double syncros on first gear or maybe cause i use syn napa gl4 but its old and about a year and a half old (changing it this summer) or i am just lucky who knows. Lol
Old Apr 27, 2010 | 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Nealoc187
depending on how hard it is, it could be the natural tendency of manual transmissions not wanting to go in to 1st gear because of high shaft speed differential (especially 95-96 maxima transmissions because of a single 1st gear synchro rather than double 1st gear synchro like they had in 97+ years), or you could have a worn out 1st gear synchro exacerbating the problem, or you could have a clutch engagement problem (though you stated you adjusted the clutch and noticed no difference, so it's probably one of the first two).
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Old Apr 28, 2010 | 07:44 AM
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yo man....my car wont go into 1st unless basically at stop. My synchros prolly worn. To downshift i have to match revs with speed then the tranny will slide into gear.

I baby my tranny
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that is probably a clutch issue mostly. adjust your clutch. the clutch is dragging a little bit even when you have the pedal fully depressed most likely. was an issue with the last 4th gen i bought.
Old Apr 28, 2010 | 11:17 AM
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yea i notice that if i depress the clutch all the way to the floor then the car will shift smoother.

Ok cool, ima check it out and do a search how to adjust pedal

thanks.
Old Apr 28, 2010 | 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by essential1
This is normal on all maximas. (and most cars as far as I know)

The maxima has enough TQ to get going in second anyways... Hell i've moved off in 3rd while teaching my girl how to drive.

If the car is still rolling and you need to gear down to move again. 2nd gear is more than enough to get you going again.

I dont know why this is such a big issue.
You sir are correct.

A little irrelevant but my Maxima takes off with no problem from every gear, even from 5th gear and remote start is activated I experimented to see which which gears would start and stall right away and it launched fine in every gear.

Originally Posted by Nealoc187
depending on how hard it is, it could be the natural tendency of manual transmissions not wanting to go in to 1st gear because of high shaft speed differential (especially 95-96 maxima transmissions because of a single 1st gear synchro rather than double 1st gear synchro like they had in 97+ years), or you could have a worn out 1st gear synchro exacerbating the problem, or you could have a clutch engagement problem (though you stated you adjusted the clutch and noticed no difference, so it's probably one of the first two).
You sir are also correct. 95-96s dont go into 1st gear when rolling above around 8-10 ish MPH. I had a moron at AAMCO telling me I needed my trans rebuilt cuz his 3rd gen Crammy (camry) could go into 1st while doing 25mph and my Max couldn't, I told him he should change professions as he kept forcing the shifter into 1st and making it grind.
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