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Old 12-14-2001 | 02:48 PM
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Auto or Stick that is the question

I have a chance to buy a 98 Maxima SE.
One is standard the other auto. Same price.
What do I do?
Old 12-14-2001 | 02:52 PM
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I own a automagic, so I'm biased.




Get the stick!

Old 12-14-2001 | 03:02 PM
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Stupid question but all Maximas are FWD right
Old 12-14-2001 | 03:04 PM
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Originally posted by Toffy
Stupid question but all Maximas are FWD right
Yes...except someone did a RWD conversion....look above!

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Old 12-14-2001 | 03:04 PM
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Originally posted by Toffy
Stupid question but all Maximas are FWD right
yes they are


I am biased too, I have a standard and I say 'stir ur own cogs!' hahaha
Old 12-14-2001 | 03:09 PM
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Both can be made quite fast, get what you like.
Old 12-14-2001 | 03:14 PM
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It also depends on if you do a lot of city driving...stick can be a pain in the city. If I had to buy another Max I would get stick.

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Whether or not you can drive a manual get it. You will love it. I am never going automatic again.
Old 12-14-2001 | 03:14 PM
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Old 12-14-2001 | 03:31 PM
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Originally posted by tifosiv122


Yes...except someone did a RWD conversion....look above!

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Where above? post the link please
Old 12-14-2001 | 03:41 PM
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Where above? post the link please
http://forums.maxima.org/member.php?...fo&userid=1091


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Old 12-14-2001 | 04:20 PM
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i have an automatic, should went stick
Old 12-14-2001 | 04:32 PM
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i bought an automagic and i wish i would have gone with a stick. get the stick. you are lucky you found one. i couldn't
Old 12-14-2001 | 04:34 PM
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just deliberated over this question

my friend got a 2002 mustang gt. never drove a stick before and we let him drive ours, picked it up better than i did, but anyway, it came down to what he wanted, but he went with stick.

we told him that if the only thing that was stopping him from getting that was that he wouldnt be able to drive it well, go for it, hed pick it up fast enough.

also, arent standards more reliable, faster, better mpg, cheaper to work on than an auto trans... i think those are all accurate.

the guy selling him the gt said the autos were faster, but i think he was just flat out wrong or lying, anybody ever heard of that? for the mustang gts

also, standards are loads more fun. i dont live in the city city but i could see how that could get annoying.

let us know what you get.
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Re: just deliberated over this question

Stick is fater on NON-TURBO.. Auto is faster on TURBOS.. The reason being that a turbo cars HP is produced at higher RPMS and in order to shift in a 5 speed you have to let off on the gas hence lowering your RPMS and loosing HP..
But non the less I do own a turbo Porsche and yes it is stick.. The control factor is well worth it..
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Originally posted by cbr2
Stick is fater on NON-TURBO.. Auto is faster on TURBOS.. The reason being that a turbo cars HP is produced at higher RPMS and in order to shift in a 5 speed you have to let off on the gas hence lowering your RPMS and loosing HP..
But non the less I do own a turbo Porsche and yes it is stick.. The control factor is well worth it..
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Re: Auto or Stick that is the question

Originally posted by Toffy
I have a chance to buy a 98 Maxima SE.
One is standard the other auto. Same price.
What do I do?
GET THE STICK!!!!!!

i made the mistake of buying a auto.
now i have the headache of trying to find parts to do the conversion and saving money.

at 78k miles my auto is dying.
F#$@in weak A$$ trannies.
Old 12-14-2001 | 05:07 PM
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Re: Re: just deliberated over this question

Originally posted by cbr2
Stick is fater on NON-TURBO.. Auto is faster on TURBOS.. The reason being that a turbo cars HP is produced at higher RPMS and in order to shift in a 5 speed you have to let off on the gas hence lowering your RPMS and loosing HP..
But non the less I do own a turbo Porsche and yes it is stick.. The control factor is well worth it..
hey cbr2 do you still have the stick set up???????
if you do let me scrap some money toghter and i will buy it from you.
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Old 12-14-2001 | 05:21 PM
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what about power shifting

you know when you never let off the gas while shifting. thats not a daily thing, but if racing, wouldnt that keep your rpms up enough to be faster than a turbo?
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Re: what about power shifting

Originally posted by Justin95SE
you know when you never let off the gas while shifting. thats not a daily thing, but if racing, wouldnt that keep your rpms up enough to be faster than a turbo?
no auto's build boost quicker than the stick shifts
Old 12-14-2001 | 09:42 PM
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Stick with the STICK, just my .02 cents
Old 12-15-2001 | 10:33 AM
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Re: Re: just deliberated over this question

Originally posted by cbr2
Stick is fater on NON-TURBO.. Auto is faster on TURBOS.. The reason being that a turbo cars HP is produced at higher RPMS and in order to shift in a 5 speed you have to let off on the gas hence lowering your RPMS and loosing HP..
But non the less I do own a turbo Porsche and yes it is stick.. The control factor is well worth it..
so you're saying automatic WRX is faster than manual WRX? I dun think so?
Old 12-15-2001 | 11:58 AM
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yeah i agree with costco. True you rpms drop when shifting but that why you double clutch. I assuming you mean for turning other wise shifting is much faster in a manual in a strait line
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i think it really depends on the your particular situation. if this max is a 2nd car, get a stick. it's a lot more fun. but, if you live in the a major metro area like me and this is your everyday commute car, get a automagic.

i've just spent 60k on a brand new bmw for my wife and i thought Wow! this car is going to so much fun driving...well, since i driver 30 mins each way from work and home in 5 mph traffic, i really didn't see the ultimate driving experience from this car. only time i get to cut lose is very seldom late at night. my point is, stick is not worth it if it's a pain 90% of the time and fun 10% of the time. ...this is my 2 cents.

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Old 12-15-2001 | 01:30 PM
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i think it really depends on the your particular situation. if this max is a 2nd car, get a stick. it's a lot more fun. but, if you live in the a major metro area like me and this is your everyday commute car, get a automagic.

i've just spent 60k on a brand new bmw for my wife and i thought Wow! this car is going to so much fun driving...well, since i driver 30 mins each way from work and home in 5 mph traffic, i really didn't see the ultimate driving experience from this car. only time i get to cut lose is very seldom late at night. my point is, stick is not worth it if it's a pain 90% of the time and fun 10% of the time. ...this is my 2 cents.

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I have owned 2 sticks before this, and don't get what people mean when they say 'More Fun'. Can someone elaborate?
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I have owned 2 sticks before this, and don't get what people mean when they say 'More Fun'. Can someone elaborate?
downshifting into turns.. clutch .. gas.. clutch gas.. blah blah..

if you are manually shifting your auto you are half way there
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so you're saying automatic WRX is faster than manual WRX? I dun think so?
at low boost of 7 PSI you won't notice any big diffence.. bump them up to 22 PSI.. and you will see a difference
Old 12-15-2001 | 01:41 PM
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Medic is right...

Both manual and auto can be made quite fast, however the manual will theoretically always be faster (with comparable modifications). However keep in mind that for some reason the fastest proven Maximas are AUTOS... Thanks Don in Texas.
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Old 12-15-2001 | 01:42 PM
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Originally posted by SprintMax
at low boost of 7 PSI you won't notice any big diffence.. bump them up to 22 PSI.. and you will see a difference
WRX runs over 14 lbs of boost stock..... and I am not sure how a auto is better with a turbo, if you know how to drive a manual can handle a lot more power, and you can hold the RPM's much higher. With a turbo it seems that the extra control (ie the driver has full control) is useful. I have an auto, drive in bumper to bumper traffic when I am in Austin, and I would trade it for a stick in a minute....................................
Old 12-15-2001 | 01:43 PM
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Originally posted by SprintMax
downshifting into turns.. clutch .. gas.. clutch gas.. blah blah..

if you are manually shifting your auto you are half way there
How is that fun? I do it, and it seems like work to me....
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well all i know is with the supra... the auto's build boost at 3000 rpms.. and the 6spd builds at 4000 rpms.. so the auto SupraTT's are faster to 140 than the 6spds..

you know i am beggining to wonder if 14 PSI is 14 PSI on some cars.. because i was in a passat with 19 PSI... and it was slower than my 97 5spd with bolt ons.. the thing was quick.. but it wasn't that fast.. and now the wrx has 14 PSI..but only 220 hp? who knows..
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WRX runs over 14 lbs of boost stock..... and I am not sure how a auto is better with a turbo, if you know how to drive a manual can handle a lot more power, and you can hold the RPM's much higher. With a turbo it seems that the extra control (ie the driver has full control) is useful. I have an auto, drive in bumper to bumper traffic when I am in Austin, and I would trade it for a stick in a minute....................................
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about the WRX

my friend with the stang gt alsdo looked at a wrx, at that point he wanted an auto. the company said they would have to special order it because they had only sold 3 this year. Reaon being that the auto compared to the stick was so slow. he suggested we drive the station wagon auto to get an idea. i guess it depends greatly on how well the auto tranny is built which varies from company to company.
Old 12-15-2001 | 01:52 PM
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I have owned 2 sticks before this, and don't get what people mean when they say 'More Fun'. Can someone elaborate?
I normally drive my stick in the 2-3k rpm range. If I want to 'play' then I can drive in the 3-5k rpm range - where there is TONS more power.

My friend and I bought news cars the same week - he got an autobox domestic and I got the 5spd Max. We were driving side-by side at 40mph on a highway and he wanted to get into it. We both had a carful of friends. I counted down from three and just left him behind. Partially because his car was not as fast, but partially because I was in 2nd gear at 40, at about 4,200 rpm right at the tourque peak, just ready to instantly launch. He stomped on the gas and spent over a second waiting for his tranny to switch from OD to 2nd. :bawl: By the time he even started to gain speed I was almost 5 carlengths ahead and in his lane, signalling like; "Oh, I thought you wanted to race..."
Old 12-15-2001 | 02:02 PM
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I normally drive my stick in the 2-3k rpm range. If I want to 'play' then I can drive in the 3-5k rpm range - where there is TONS more power.

My friend and I bought news cars the same week - he got an autobox domestic and I got the 5spd Max. We were driving side-by side at 40mph on a highway and he wanted to get into it. We both had a carful of friends. I counted down from three and just left him behind. Partially because his car was not as fast, but partially because I was in 2nd gear at 40, at about 4,200 rpm right at the tourque peak, just ready to instantly launch. He stomped on the gas and spent over a second waiting for his tranny to switch from OD to 2nd. :bawl: By the time he even started to gain speed I was almost 5 carlengths ahead and in his lane, signalling like; "Oh, I thought you wanted to race..."
As any of the NUMEROUS NE forum people I hang with, my car is an automatic and a highway GOD. You didn't say what kind of car he had, but then again, not all cars were created equal. I still haven't heard the 'fun' part.
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I drove stick in England because British law considers people who learn to drive an auto as not fully qualified drivers. They even give you an special licence with a "AUTOMATIC ONLY" endorsement on it, kinda like the "UNDER 21" US licences. If you learn auto and want to drive stick you have to retake the test in a stick to prove you have finally figured out how to drive a real car. Don't flame me - I didn't write the law!

When I moved to the US and bought a car I couldn't even find a freakin' stickshift car, so I had to buy an auto. This was a 3.0 v6 and had the same 0-60 as the 4-cyl 2.1 5Spd VOLVO I left behind.

I visited England last year and rented a car - a stickshift Peugeot 306. 1.6 4-cyl - and it was faster than my '95 Ford Taurus because I know how to drive a stick properly. Much more fun to drive.

As soon as I got back to the US (ie less than 1 week) I traded the Taurus. I asked a few friends for advice on a car, and finally settled on the Maxima I wanted Fast, powerful, stick, understated, reliable and something I don't feel like I have to justify... "You have a Taurus?" "Yeah, but it was cheap, and it was on $9k when I got it at 18months old... Stop laughing. Please?"

Now people say; "You drive a Maxima?" and I say; "Sure do. And I love it!"

I actually liked the Taurus - it just wasn't powerful enough to make it feel like I was able to control it. The auto made it feel like I was supervising the car instead of driving it. Thing was, when I got the maxima I said to my wife; "I finally have a car that people won't ask me; Why did you get one of THOSE?"

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Old 12-15-2001 | 02:14 PM
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I drove stick in England because British law considers people who learn to drive an auto as not fully qualified drivers. They even give you an special licence with a "AUTOMATIC ONLY" endorsement on it, kinda like the "UNDER 21" US licences. If you learn auto and want to drive stick you have to retake the test in a stick to prove you have finally figured out how to drive a real car. Don't flame me - I didn't write the law!

When I moved to the US and bought a car I couldn't even find a freakin' stickshift car, so I had to buy an auto. This was a 3.0 v6 and had the same 0-60 as the 4-cyl 2.1 5Spd VOLVO I left behind.

I visited England last year and rented a car - a stickshift Peugeot 306. 1.6 4-cyl - and it was faster than my '95 Ford Taurus because I know how to drive a stick properly. Much more fun to drive.

As soon as I got back to the US (ie less than 1 week) I traded the Taurus. I asked a few friends for advice on a car, and finally settled on the Maxima I wanted Fast, powerful, stick, understated, reliable and something I don't feel like I have to justify... "You have a Taurus?" "Yeah, but it was cheap, and it was on $9k when I got it at 18months old... Stop laughing. Please?"

Now people say; "You drive a Maxima?" and I say; "Sure do. And I love it!"

I actually liked the Taurus - it just wasn't powerful enough to make it feel like I was able to control it. The auto made it feel like I was supervising the car instead of driving it. Thing was, when I got the maxima I said to my wife; "I finally have a car that people won't ask me; Why did you get one of THOSE?"

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Ya know, I just noticed that you name is Screw it...
People over here (I'm in Germany now) laugh at auto's, they think its crazy to own one, at least the German's and Brit's I work with. I have to convince the people at the car rental that I can drive a 5 spd, or 6 spd, they try to give American's auto's, and they have like two out of a couple 1000 rental cars..........
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: just deliberated over this question

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well all i know is with the supra... the auto's build boost at 3000 rpms.. and the 6spd builds at 4000 rpms.. so the auto SupraTT's are faster to 140 than the 6spds..

you know i am beggining to wonder if 14 PSI is 14 PSI on some cars.. because i was in a passat with 19 PSI... and it was slower than my 97 5spd with bolt ons.. the thing was quick.. but it wasn't that fast.. and now the wrx has 14 PSI..but only 220 hp? who knows..

A stock car does not always hold its boost, a WRX does not always run at 14 lbs, the stock ECU varries it based on a myriad of factors, so 10-12 is more likely, I've also heard that the auto on supra's and also RX7's are the only ones worth anything for a Turbo, and saw a passat with 20 lbs of boost with 0-60 in 7 secs and 1/4 around 14.5?????? funno whats up with that, the guy claimed he was putting down 260+ hp, makes me not wanna get a passat.............
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I have owned 2 sticks before this, and don't get what people mean when they say 'More Fun'. Can someone elaborate?

Medic., you are the man! The question I always wanted to know but was afraid to ask! That's exactly how I feel. I've had stick shifts, to me it was WORK, not fun. Using both feet and hands - too much work and, to me, not as much fun. It just seems like it's going backwards in time/progression. To me a stick vs. an auto is like crank windows vs. power windows, getting up and changing the channel vs. clicking a remote, driving a screw by hand vs using a drill, handdrafting vs. autocad, etc., etc. To me, just plain more work. How is it more fun?
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I have owned 2 sticks before this, and don't get what people mean when they say 'More Fun'. Can someone elaborate?
People are saying get the stick because its a second quicker in 0-60 and 1/4 runs. If you're not going to race your car get an auto. I love mine and wouldn't give it up. Its even better when playin with the ladies while cruising.


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