own a 96 5 speed. im debating weather or not i want to 00vi swap, or 3.5 swap. i need your input on the pros and cons of both, power of both, reliability, and of course $$$...

either way i go, i already have a v1 vortech waiting.

i had my heart set on a 3.5 supercharged maxima, but i keep reading cam issues and so on. please, input muuch appreciated.

ps... i will not be doing swaps myself which is more $ due to time space and tools.

 

If you're doing the VQ35 swap is it gonna be a hybrid or full swap?

If it's gonna be a hybrid I'd just go with the 00VI, get a PFTB and you're set. It'll be more reliable than a 35 swap if done properly and will make similar power as a hybrid swap.

 

Do you plan to run high or low PSI with the S/C? If high, go with DEK. If relatively low, go with 3.5. DEK is an all around stronger motor and can handle the power.

 

What do u mean by hybrid chris? And I'll be running about 10 psi. I'm also getting emanage ultimate in the near future which is also leading me to the vi swap. And I have a pf tb as well. Just need an adapter if I use it toward the 3.0 manifold.

 

Hybrid = 3.5 with 3.0 timing/ECU.

Since you're getting the EU I think you should definitely go with the 00VI > the VQ35 swap.

 

oh yes it would have to be hybrid due to the s/c but yeah im about 90% sure im going 00vi. thanks guys.

 

I say go with 3.5 hybrid swap but then again thats maybe because I've done it, but speaking from economic point of view go with 00vi since, its a lot cheaper. Don't get me wrong I think 3.5 are great and have a lot of low end torque but since you will be going boost you might want to keep the 3.0 since the compression is lower then 3.5 so you can run more boost safely but note that running boost on any engine regardless on what you choose to go with you can end up blowing it. It all depends on the tuning and how hard you going to be pushing the car.

Btw you mentioned cam issues on the 3.5 im not to entirely sure but the only issues that I know would be if the adapters are not placed and secured properly the timing chain could slip, other then that it's a pretty solid motor, and 02-03 have oil burning issues

So I say do the 00vi swap since its cheaper and "maybe" more reliable

 

Yea dave Id do the 00vi much less expensive and easier. Plus as its been stated the DE is great for boost. Look at V's car. I think you will be more than happy with the DE/00VI + supercharger. Now sell me that damn VAFC you got lol!!

 

How come I keep hearing about so many reliability issues from the 3.5? I just got rid of my '96, but from everyone I know that's have a 5+ gen, they have had pretty good luck with the 3.5

 

00VI and 3.5 cams?

 

All motor, the 3.5 can be very reliable and last years. One of the first recorded 3.5 swapped maximas from 04 is still running till this day. (different car though) and that motor has seen countless races and countless shots of nitrous from 50 shots all the way up to 100+ shots and its a daily driven car that starts up the first time everytime.

Now on boost though, with a 3.5, you can potentially make the same amount of power with much less boost. But the 3.0 has a higher tolerance for abuse as far as forced induction goes, but it's not bullet proof. And on that note, i'd probably SC the 3.0 unless I was gonna put a nice set of pistons and rods in the 3.5 block.

 

i wish i had 2 4th gens, so i can have one with a 00vi setup and one with a 3.5 swap. my current setup of 00vi i love so much, car pulls real hard up top. it actually runs dead even with lightly modded 5.5 gens.

since it seems your going 00vi, i would recommend that you make sure your current motor is running in great shape, no oil leaks or anything so that you can get the most out of your setup. my engine had over 180k, took abuse to 7500rpms everytime i drove it before it finally went down, which i would take blame for. these 3.0s can take a real good beating...

 

im personally going to do a vq35de swap, it seems to be that the 3.5 has a few more internal upgrades and more options from high end brands than the 3.0

 

Yes 3.5 are very reliable I haven't had an issue yet and I did the swap probably 4 years ago now so 40k+ miles later it still runs strong, the point I was trying to make that if your on severe budget then go with 00vi if not they go with 3.5 it also depends on who will do your motor, person who will be doing should at least done it in the past.

 

i've read alot of misconception over the years of 'the lower the compression, the better it is for boost.' i read one statement on one forum a while back that basically shut that down. higher compression = more power for force induction, and if properly tuned can last long as well. but as with anything tuning is key. i know you said that you're going the 00VI, which is good and all, but i just wanted to make that statement. i'm not speaking from experience on teh subject, just saying of what i've read over the years

 

VQ30DE and VQ35DEs both have 10 to 1..... (unless you're ****, the VQ35 has 10.3, not enough of a difference to consider imo).

No matter what vehicle you own, The 2/3 rule A L W A Y S applies.

Speed-Power/Reliability/Low Cost

You can only have 2/3.

 

i wasnt saying which one was cost effective i was just making a point that even though the VQ35 may not have as low compression as the 3.0s, it doesnt mean it cant be reliable

 

I'm saying the compression is the same...

 

understood

 

Nice aack.

i swear, the noobs have no understanding of this

 

Thanks for the correction I read somewhere and it said 11 to1 i guess I was wrong. And I have to agree with that 2/3 rule its generally true