yeah, i just ordered my Y-pipe from budgetexhaust.com $175 USD shipped to my house. Maybe its just me, but this seems like a hell of a deal for a T-304 stainless steel y-pipe. It is not mandrel bent, but thats not in my budget. Just thought i let the rest of the cash strapped max kids know.

 

I'm so up in the air... this or WSP... I just don't know. Let us know how the install goes.

 

I went through the same thing for a while until I chose Warpspeed's. Maybe you can see how people get along with the budget one after winter also. Make sure it held up.

SuDZ

 

My financial aid came in ( ) and I'm thinking I'll just go with the WSP. It's a litle more, but their company is always around on the board and they're always making running changes to improve the product. I know I said a lot I'll never do performance mods, but uh... this is a fuel economy mod. Yeah, that's it.

 

anything cheaper than 300 bucks will most likely have that "bees in a can noise"

 

95emeraldgxe you are incorrect in your assumption. ALL our y-pipes come with the best lined flex section that we can find. Believe me they can be tough to come by. Our $195 non-mandel bent pipe has the same flex section as out top of the line mandrel bent 304SS pipe. We have had no reports of the "bees in a can sound" since we have been using the lined flex section.
Budget pipes do not come with a lined flex section. Our pipes are welded by certified welders, not sure on the Budget brand. All non mandrel bent pipes are NOT the same.Our bender has brand new dies, this helps keep the restriction down. A recent poster estimated that there is about 11% difference from the prebend diameter compared to the narrowest diameter in the bend.

Dan WSP

 

I agree.

How many people have you heard complaining about WSP buzzing or not fitting right? And how many about cattman ?

I am looking at my WSP aluminized Madrel bent Y right now and It looks to be of very good quality.

 

I'm sure this has been asked before, but have you dynoed the non-mandrel bent against the mandrel bent pipe?

 

Does the buget one fit as good as the cheaper warpspeed one

 

The price sounds good...I was lucky the last time and picked up a WSP off EBay for 170 plus 20 bucks s/h...too bad I got rid of it though...it was sweet.

 

My cheap *** couldn't pass up the Budget one. It's in my garage, hopefully going on this week. I am curious how it's going to hold up to the salted roads here. I actually attempted to put it on the other night, but even after liberal amounts of Liquid Wrench and time, I sheared 2 bolts just taking the heat shield off the cat. I figured I'd better leave it until I have more time to break stuff before I try it again.

 

I just put on my Y pipe. I bought a Budget cos I planned to boost power in other ways. You would pobably see a 1 HP diff (2 at most) between mandrel and non-mandrel pipe. I couldn't justify $100 for 1-2 HP.

Fitment was about 95% OK. I had a slight problem with one of the O2 sensors. I had to bend a metal plate slightly that was obstructing placement of O2 sensor (think it was rear one) that was a one minute job.

The Budget has a slight "bees-in-the can" sound at high revs but it's not too bad!

If I had the choice again, I might consider the WSP, but the aluminized one is probably good enough! I am not unhappy with the Budget one, I am just not "wowed" by it!

I put it on last weekend in 45 minutes.

Want to buy it? I am going for a turbo and have to take it out anyway.

 

the WSP pipe is like 50 dollars more than that budget thing......i really think the extra cost is worth it, WSP gives very nice performance gains, and the customer service is great!

 

I agree that warpspeed is by far worth the money, zand i would have bought one if i had the cash. But i needed stainless steel beacuse of the massive ammounts on slat and sand they put on the roads( i dont evern think they plow around here!) so if in the south, the $20 price difference doesnt come close to value of warpspeed's service. if and when my budget goes, i should have a real job and i'll be gettin a warpspeed.

 

Well, I bit the bullet and just took it to Lou's in North Reading, $50 bucks and 1/2 hour. Sucker popped right on. No bees in can sound at any rpm, just a slight hiss at large throttle openings. Power is awesome, can't wait for track season!

One question though, is the paint supposed to burn off the pipe coming from the rear bank?

 

I have no clue why they bother to paint any of them, there is no paint which will withstand the high temps unless it is baked on. There is no need to paint the tubing if they are using aluminized steel and there is no need to paint 409 or 304 stainless. I suspect they just spray it on for looks, to get paint to stick to the metal it has to be etched or blasted. If you can scrape if off with a razor blade to bare metal they have done neither and it will just burn off. You get no protection at all from the paint. If one were to get real technical the only part of the Y pipe which would benefit from a high temp coating is the inside of it. They just do not rust from the outside in.

We have a "4 year no rust through warranty" on all of our WarpSpeed Performance aluminized steel Y pipes. We do not even suggest painting them. Unless you are running nitrous or a supercharger there is no real need for stainless. There is a difference between the mandrel bent and non mandrel bent pipes, the way we do it though it is hard to see the difference. We do have all new equipment and dies of course but a lot of it is technique.

As Dan mentioned earlier we use the domestic lined flex sections on all of our Y pipes, all are U.S. made flex connectors. We could use the Canadian made ones which we can buy for $10, yes just $10. They did not pass our testing and do not have an inner liner, after a short period of time they get loud.


If you a looking for a Y pipe and $30 makes the difference between buying a knockoff and buying an original give us a call. We may be able to help you.

Dallas

WarpSpeed Performance

 

dan could you explain why SS doesnt matter and why i could just go with a regular aluminum for the Ypipe? its not that i dont believe it. i just dont want problems

 

Hey Dan and Dallas, if i for some reason did not like the pipe i bought from you would i be able to return it? Because i bought a cattman ss one last year for my 95 but since then i had an accident and the pipe could not be salvaged, i am looking for the same performance and perfection as the cattman one that i had(because i have heard they were not always perfect)and if its not the same i would like to go the cattman route again.

 

I was with the guy when he installed mine (I hate other people working on my car) and the Budget one slid right on. He even commented on the fit saying it was way easier than some of the $300 he had seen.

 

Incorrect. I have a budget y-pipe. Have had it on my car for about 6 months. ZERO bees in can.

Performance you ask.... about 12 hp and 13 lbs TQ.

any other questions on it. just do a search or go look in group deals.

Seems about once a month someone has questions about the y-pipe.

Almost every question has been asked and answered.

 

Stainless is better at handling real high temperatures like a supercharger or that nitrous produces, other than that it tends to get very hard and brittle after it has seasoned or been exposed to heat, the aluminized steel tends to remain flexible and workable.

The aluminized steel we use for our Y pipes should last 8-10 years according to the company that manufactures it. The stainless probably longer. We felt offering a 4 year no rust through warranty for about $200 less than our competition's mandrel bent 304SS will make for a better value. Of course our own TIG welded 304SS are only $75 more than our aluminized steel Y pipes.

Remember, we use a custom formed 2-1/2" collector. Cattman and Stillen from what I have seen and measured use 2-1/4". We designed our Y pipes for maximum flow, I guess we could offer a necked down version that would produce the lower flow rates they do but why would we want to?

Dallas

WarrpSpeed Performance

 

We can't offer the same performance level you had with your Cattman Y pipe because we don't make them using the smaller 2-1/4" tubing that they are made with. We do of course offer a 2-1/2" 304SS TIG welded Y pipe proven to outperform the Cattman Y pipe for about $125 less, we feel even our non mandrel bent Y pipes will outperform both Stillen and Cattman for as much as $250 less.

I have never seen a budget pipe other than a few photo's posted. I think the first budget pipes showed up last year shortly after we started selling ours on eBay, several we sold went to Canada. Not pointing fingers but they have been less that forthcoming with the fact they were even not mandrel bent, I had to call and ask and they finally admitted they were not. I felt like a lot of people had been deceived by the omission. They said it really does not matter. Does it?

If you pull ones of ours out of the box and don't like it simply return it, if you bolt it on and there is a problem with it simply give us a call. Our warranty does not cover perfection it does however cover most problems.

Dallas
WarpSpeed Performance

 

So Dallas, money not being an issue, would you say SS is still "better" than aluminized steel and will last longer on a mild application? How much longer are they expected to last and what's the guarantee on the SS pipes?

Thanks

 

Dallas: The Y pipe and high flow cat are on zmaxcarguy's 97 SE. Thank you soo much for all you efforts. WOW! What a difference a Y pipe, and Cat can do for a stock auto. My compliments to the chef

 

Money is not really an issue to Dan or myself because we make them, I have an aluminized steel Y pipe on my 96SE and Dan has one on his 93SE. We offer the 304 TIG welded stainless mainly to compete with Cattman and for those running a SC or nitrous.

If I was running a supercharger or nitrous I would go stainless, if I was not I would take the extra money I saved buying the aluminized steel and buy something else, $75 to $200 will buy something else needed I am sure.

The stainless steel Cattman Y pipe I saw Thursday was brown in color but it was stainless. Dan's has been on for more than a year, mine about 9 months. Mine still looks like new, I guess Dan doesn't wash his as much. I like to do things once, put it on and forget about it.

2 years on our stainless, we know they will not rust out so there is not much need to offer a rust through warranty on them. We feel the 4 year on the aluminized steel is a pretty safe bet. There are others out there in different applications offering longer than 4 years.

Dallas
WarpSpeed Performance

 

Donald:
Glad to hear it went well.

Monday we will be looking at the possible new mounts for the gen 3 rear swaybar when Matt gets here and a couple of other things I know you are going to have to have for your VE. I'll keep you posted. We are also installing a new B pipe on his car and the X bracing. I am going to get a couple of sets of the x bracing out to you guys when we finish with photo's Monday. I'll try to ship around Thursday. (yes I am using my address book)

Dallas

 

the budget ypipe is a good deal. it took an average of 2 tenths off my 1/4 mi times. the engine response is greatly increased. i don't think it has hissing sounds eminating from it. it's entirely too quiet. i need more power! the ypipe lined up perfectly to the studs, i had to use a spark plug chaser on one of the O2 ports (30sec job) to clean the thread. the most satisfying bang for the buck power mod by far and this was when it was selling for $195. now it's for $175? go for it!

 

i think i'd rather go with the aluminized steel WSP y pipe

 

I ordered WSP Y- they were awesome about shipping and got it to me in a rush... It's going on the car today, and I will have HP measurements either today or tommorow.. I had 180hp wheels before , so we'll see exactly what it does for me!

I looked at all the dif. companies, and it came down to cattman or WSP. I couldn't pass up WSP for the price, and they seem to have all their bugs worked out. Good looking pipe, lets just hope it fit's perfectly I'm sure it will!

Look for my follow up post..

Dallas is very good and helpful, superfriendly people at WSP !!

 

Glad you like your pipe. We could offer a cheaper priced pipe as well but because we use only made in USA products we cannot.

If you want to get a real eye opener check out the following link:
http://www.uswa.org/

It is the United SteelWorkers of America webpage, they tell about the 29 US Steel companies who have filed for bankruptcy in the last several years and the 63,000 jobs lost due to countries like Canada dumping their steel on the US market. I apologize if my comment sound's offensive but we at WarpSpeed Performance are going to sell affordable performance products without supporting the economy of a foreign country, even Canada. If we don't even try we'll never know if we make a difference or not.

Dallas

 

Ok , I normally say nothing when I see this. But I have to say something here.

Sir, this website is devoted to the Maxima. Buying these cars, supports the economy of a foreign nation.

I just find it funny why you would post this... when we are driving foreign cars.

I KNOW I am gonna catch some flack about my statement. Before you say anything about my statement. Read it again, I did not say ONE word bad mouthing anybody.

 

No offense taken, I imagine it's just a matter of time with the Frontier, Sentra and Altima already made here. Nissan's design division is here already as well.

We don't buy Japanese tubing either.

Dallas

 

Sup Bro ... So wha luck did u come across with the WSP Y-pipe ?
did everythin come out ok ?? and weird bees in a can noise ?
cause i been trin to get a y-pipe but im stuck on which one to get .. stillen ... or wsp ??

 

Yes, you are correct. But when the Company is not american, isn't that the same thing?

So what your saying is that it is ok to give a non-american company money as long as they are kicking back into the american economy?

I was not trying to single out Japan. Just happened to work out that way.

I am just trying to understand, I am not trying to be a butt head. Which I am sure it seem I am trying to be an A$$.

 

Maybe its just me, but i think that if you put bees in a can, you would not hear anything. Has anyone tried this, i would do a search, but i dont think it has ever been done. I know i have a can around somewhere, can someone supply the bees? I think we should get this tested before anyone makes anymore reference to so called "Bees in a can."

 

i think petland discount might have a special on bees ....

:::lookin though his garbage can ::::::::

 

someone tell me if the warpspeed b pipe coming will have a resonator thanks

 

Optional, if you want it we got it.

 

ok I'm retarded... absolutely nothing to do with WSP but when trying to remove my old ypipe (Dallas warned me about this...) I stripped my old 14mm bolts connecting to the Cat.... so at 7:30am (8 hours from now) my car is scheduled to bein the shop having it installed... I will be there walking them through the whole thing cause I hear people have trouble with shops for some reason... I'll post more once its done in the morning... 730 sucks, but it was a rush last minute appointment.. cause I leave town at noon.

 

i must admit- with the freedom of choice we have, it's easy to overlook things like that. every imaginable US industry has gripes about foreign competition. heck, our maximas are made in japan.