Maxima VS SHO
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Alright everyone, I need your opinions. The specs. on each car: 97 Maxima with PR CAI VS 95 Taruas SHO bone stock, both cars have auto tranny's. Who will win?(0-100mph) In my opinion these two cars are the best low budget sedans ever built. I'm worried, the SHO might blast me.
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I've drove a 5 speed SHO and it was wery fast.... I would guess the max would win by just a little if drivers were exactly equal... other than that I would give the win to the better driver...
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I've driven my Max 27k miles in the past year and I've driven my friends 95 SHO Auto from Boston to Clemson, SC and back. Here's my take:
SHO:
highs - absolutely hauls A$$...I was between 95-110 the whole way home through Pennsylvania and it was like you were gliding down the road...with plenty of room between your foot and the floor...top speed is easily 140 or more, I forget what the speedo goes too...definately quicker off the line than a stock Max too, but also easier to spin the tires, my Max has more grip initially.
lows - talk about rattles! ..interior is a lot of plastic moldings that come apart with age..and it's much bulkier than a Max on the outside.
The 95 SHO has over 130k on it now and it runs like brand new. I hope my car is that strong at 130k...
SHO:
highs - absolutely hauls A$$...I was between 95-110 the whole way home through Pennsylvania and it was like you were gliding down the road...with plenty of room between your foot and the floor...top speed is easily 140 or more, I forget what the speedo goes too...definately quicker off the line than a stock Max too, but also easier to spin the tires, my Max has more grip initially.
lows - talk about rattles! ..interior is a lot of plastic moldings that come apart with age..and it's much bulkier than a Max on the outside.
The 95 SHO has over 130k on it now and it runs like brand new. I hope my car is that strong at 130k...
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It's been a while but I remember the SHO auto as having little torque down low. It's based on a motorcycle engine (I think) and requires some revs to equal the max's torque down low. That said, it'll be close buit off the line you might take him, up high he'll ctach you...
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Maxima vs SHO
My last car was a '90 SHO, and I have to say, it -smoked- my '96 SE 5-Speed.
It had 160kmi on it and had never had the 100kmi valvetrain adjustment or belt replacement, in fact the only thing that had ever been done to it was new plugs and wires.
With a g-tech I got 202hp at the wheels, 0-60 in 6.3 seconds, and a quarter mile of 15.3 @ 97. I bounced off the rev limiter on that run, too. My other runs on the g-tech were 15.5's and 15.4's. My fried with an S10 Xtreme was running a mid 17 and 160hp :-)
I ran my max at a dragstrip this summer and my best run was a 16.0 @ 87mph. That was bone stock with only a home-made air-intake. The SHO was stock with a similar intake setup. In the maxima's defense I probabally could have hit high 15's if I had been shifting it earlier. I was taking it right up to 6500rpm, way past the hp peak on the earlier maximas like mine.
I street raced everyone I could find in my SHO. I beat a maxima once, a few 5.0's, etc... I really loved that car, never mind the fact that the electrical system was all f@#$ed up, it was all rusty, and it had killed 5 deer in it's lifetime.
In normal day-to-day driving the maxima is more fun due to it's big fat torque curve, but I can say that I've never experienced anything quite like shifting an SHO at 7200 rpm :-)
Now I'm getting all sentimental......
So to answer your question, I think that the maxima would pull away from the SHO initially, but as soon as the SHO hits 4000rpm it'll pull past the maxima, screaming towards it's 7300rpm rev limiter.
smokin96se
It had 160kmi on it and had never had the 100kmi valvetrain adjustment or belt replacement, in fact the only thing that had ever been done to it was new plugs and wires.
With a g-tech I got 202hp at the wheels, 0-60 in 6.3 seconds, and a quarter mile of 15.3 @ 97. I bounced off the rev limiter on that run, too. My other runs on the g-tech were 15.5's and 15.4's. My fried with an S10 Xtreme was running a mid 17 and 160hp :-)
I ran my max at a dragstrip this summer and my best run was a 16.0 @ 87mph. That was bone stock with only a home-made air-intake. The SHO was stock with a similar intake setup. In the maxima's defense I probabally could have hit high 15's if I had been shifting it earlier. I was taking it right up to 6500rpm, way past the hp peak on the earlier maximas like mine.
I street raced everyone I could find in my SHO. I beat a maxima once, a few 5.0's, etc... I really loved that car, never mind the fact that the electrical system was all f@#$ed up, it was all rusty, and it had killed 5 deer in it's lifetime.
In normal day-to-day driving the maxima is more fun due to it's big fat torque curve, but I can say that I've never experienced anything quite like shifting an SHO at 7200 rpm :-)
Now I'm getting all sentimental......
So to answer your question, I think that the maxima would pull away from the SHO initially, but as soon as the SHO hits 4000rpm it'll pull past the maxima, screaming towards it's 7300rpm rev limiter.
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Re: Maxima vs SHO
Originally posted by smokin96se
My last car was a '90 SHO, and I have to say, it -smoked- my '96 SE 5-Speed.
It had 160kmi on it and had never had the 100kmi valvetrain adjustment or belt replacement, in fact the only thing that had ever been done to it was new plugs and wires.
With a g-tech I got 202hp at the wheels, 0-60 in 6.3 seconds, and a quarter mile of 15.3 @ 97. I bounced off the rev limiter on that run, too. My other runs on the g-tech were 15.5's and 15.4's. My fried with an S10 Xtreme was running a mid 17 and 160hp :-)
I ran my max at a dragstrip this summer and my best run was a 16.0 @ 87mph. That was bone stock with only a home-made air-intake. The SHO was stock with a similar intake setup. In the maxima's defense I probabally could have hit high 15's if I had been shifting it earlier. I was taking it right up to 6500rpm, way past the hp peak on the earlier maximas like mine.
I street raced everyone I could find in my SHO. I beat a maxima once, a few 5.0's, etc... I really loved that car, never mind the fact that the electrical system was all f@#$ed up, it was all rusty, and it had killed 5 deer in it's lifetime.
In normal day-to-day driving the maxima is more fun due to it's big fat torque curve, but I can say that I've never experienced anything quite like shifting an SHO at 7200 rpm :-)
Now I'm getting all sentimental......
So to answer your question, I think that the maxima would pull away from the SHO initially, but as soon as the SHO hits 4000rpm it'll pull past the maxima, screaming towards it's 7300rpm rev limiter.
smokin96se
My last car was a '90 SHO, and I have to say, it -smoked- my '96 SE 5-Speed.
It had 160kmi on it and had never had the 100kmi valvetrain adjustment or belt replacement, in fact the only thing that had ever been done to it was new plugs and wires.
With a g-tech I got 202hp at the wheels, 0-60 in 6.3 seconds, and a quarter mile of 15.3 @ 97. I bounced off the rev limiter on that run, too. My other runs on the g-tech were 15.5's and 15.4's. My fried with an S10 Xtreme was running a mid 17 and 160hp :-)
I ran my max at a dragstrip this summer and my best run was a 16.0 @ 87mph. That was bone stock with only a home-made air-intake. The SHO was stock with a similar intake setup. In the maxima's defense I probabally could have hit high 15's if I had been shifting it earlier. I was taking it right up to 6500rpm, way past the hp peak on the earlier maximas like mine.
I street raced everyone I could find in my SHO. I beat a maxima once, a few 5.0's, etc... I really loved that car, never mind the fact that the electrical system was all f@#$ed up, it was all rusty, and it had killed 5 deer in it's lifetime.
In normal day-to-day driving the maxima is more fun due to it's big fat torque curve, but I can say that I've never experienced anything quite like shifting an SHO at 7200 rpm :-)
Now I'm getting all sentimental......
So to answer your question, I think that the maxima would pull away from the SHO initially, but as soon as the SHO hits 4000rpm it'll pull past the maxima, screaming towards it's 7300rpm rev limiter.
smokin96se
Re: Maxima vs SHO
I think this description is highly accurate. With the sho's nice head design PLUS the dual tract intake manifold, this thing is really nice. And unlike a stock or near stock VQ30, the sho will pull and rev in the high rpm range. The VQ's power will start tailing off way before the sho will.
Originally posted by smokin96se
My last car was a '90 SHO, and I have to say, it -smoked- my '96 SE 5-Speed.
It had 160kmi on it and had never had the 100kmi valvetrain adjustment or belt replacement, in fact the only thing that had ever been done to it was new plugs and wires.
With a g-tech I got 202hp at the wheels, 0-60 in 6.3 seconds, and a quarter mile of 15.3 @ 97. I bounced off the rev limiter on that run, too. My other runs on the g-tech were 15.5's and 15.4's. My fried with an S10 Xtreme was running a mid 17 and 160hp :-)
I ran my max at a dragstrip this summer and my best run was a 16.0 @ 87mph. That was bone stock with only a home-made air-intake. The SHO was stock with a similar intake setup. In the maxima's defense I probabally could have hit high 15's if I had been shifting it earlier. I was taking it right up to 6500rpm, way past the hp peak on the earlier maximas like mine.
I street raced everyone I could find in my SHO. I beat a maxima once, a few 5.0's, etc... I really loved that car, never mind the fact that the electrical system was all f@#$ed up, it was all rusty, and it had killed 5 deer in it's lifetime.
In normal day-to-day driving the maxima is more fun due to it's big fat torque curve, but I can say that I've never experienced anything quite like shifting an SHO at 7200 rpm :-)
Now I'm getting all sentimental......
So to answer your question, I think that the maxima would pull away from the SHO initially, but as soon as the SHO hits 4000rpm it'll pull past the maxima, screaming towards it's 7300rpm rev limiter.
smokin96se
My last car was a '90 SHO, and I have to say, it -smoked- my '96 SE 5-Speed.
It had 160kmi on it and had never had the 100kmi valvetrain adjustment or belt replacement, in fact the only thing that had ever been done to it was new plugs and wires.
With a g-tech I got 202hp at the wheels, 0-60 in 6.3 seconds, and a quarter mile of 15.3 @ 97. I bounced off the rev limiter on that run, too. My other runs on the g-tech were 15.5's and 15.4's. My fried with an S10 Xtreme was running a mid 17 and 160hp :-)
I ran my max at a dragstrip this summer and my best run was a 16.0 @ 87mph. That was bone stock with only a home-made air-intake. The SHO was stock with a similar intake setup. In the maxima's defense I probabally could have hit high 15's if I had been shifting it earlier. I was taking it right up to 6500rpm, way past the hp peak on the earlier maximas like mine.
I street raced everyone I could find in my SHO. I beat a maxima once, a few 5.0's, etc... I really loved that car, never mind the fact that the electrical system was all f@#$ed up, it was all rusty, and it had killed 5 deer in it's lifetime.
In normal day-to-day driving the maxima is more fun due to it's big fat torque curve, but I can say that I've never experienced anything quite like shifting an SHO at 7200 rpm :-)
Now I'm getting all sentimental......
So to answer your question, I think that the maxima would pull away from the SHO initially, but as soon as the SHO hits 4000rpm it'll pull past the maxima, screaming towards it's 7300rpm rev limiter.
smokin96se
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Im friends with a couple SHO guys here in KC. One is a 90 and the other is a 91. They both have the typical mods like us (y-pipe, intake, exhaust, etc). We all run about the same. The Max pulls them off the line, then they come back, and then it's usually a tie. Sometimes I can pull them on the topend if it's cold. Honestly, I've never been beaten by any other SHO. My Max is significantly quicker with my mods (y-pipe, intake, rt cat, b-pipe). 3rd gear is by far my best gear and it shows (94-96mph traps in the 1/4 mile). I've G-teched numerous 6.0-6.2 0-60s and 14.3-4@98mph 1/4miles......but I don't trust G-Techs.
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sorry to sound naiive
about the topic here, but there have been a few times that a taurus SHO blasted by me on the NJ turnpike and I have trouble keeping up. Yes I have the auto--but still...it takes a lot to catch up to them in the 70-100 zone. I normally don't drive past 100--I fear tickets, high insurnace and cops hauling my butt and car to the respective penal hold-ups.
The SHO is fast--and so is its little brother the contour--I raced one once on rt 1 and wheww...it was fast--it was new and it seem to have a dual exhaust and the works--
now my naiive--what is it about these engines in these two cars that make them so fast? I thought our VQ were the BEST engine in a 4 door sedan--so what is it with these engines? are they V8? but it seems the contours is on a 6?
any words of wisdom on this? I'd like to smoke on one day--but it seems they can hold up quite well on their own, stock...
damn...
The SHO is fast--and so is its little brother the contour--I raced one once on rt 1 and wheww...it was fast--it was new and it seem to have a dual exhaust and the works--
now my naiive--what is it about these engines in these two cars that make them so fast? I thought our VQ were the BEST engine in a 4 door sedan--so what is it with these engines? are they V8? but it seems the contours is on a 6?
any words of wisdom on this? I'd like to smoke on one day--but it seems they can hold up quite well on their own, stock...
damn...
Uhhh...Tmeyers,ya our cars are fast, but SHO's ARE fast as hell considering they prob weigh alot more than a Max. Plus they have better top end. If you don't believe, just read the above posts. 
[Edited by MaxRod33 on 12-05-2000 at 08:33 PM]
Originally posted by Tmeyers
Max 5sp and a last gen 5 sp SHO (not the V8 version)
both did 6.6 to 60mph and 15.1 to 15.3 for 1/4 mile.
They are no faster than a Maxima....If you say they are
fast as hell then so are our 4th gen Maximas
Max 5sp and a last gen 5 sp SHO (not the V8 version)
both did 6.6 to 60mph and 15.1 to 15.3 for 1/4 mile.
They are no faster than a Maxima....If you say they are
fast as hell then so are our 4th gen Maximas
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SHO
The SHO motors are made by Yamaha. Ford must've had some contract with them or something. After 95, the 96-99 SHO's, are V8 and 5 spd is not an option.
When I bought my Maxima I was torn between a 95 SHO loaded or my 97 SE. I still look at those babies on the highway and wonder if I made the right choice, but I think I did.
When I bought my Maxima I was torn between a 95 SHO loaded or my 97 SE. I still look at those babies on the highway and wonder if I made the right choice, but I think I did.
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The SHO's are fast, but they are also like 250 lbs
heavier than a 4th gen max. The car are pretty much equal.
It's up to the driver to exploit the strenghs of one
vs another. My neighbor has a 92 5sp. He won't race me.
I suspect it would be up to each of us behind the wheel
because those 2 cars are pretty well matched. The engine
on a SHO is a beut to look at. For the record, Yamaha only
built the heads and intake for those engine...not the entire
motor....220HP vs 190HP with 250lbs less.
Tmeyers
heavier than a 4th gen max. The car are pretty much equal.
It's up to the driver to exploit the strenghs of one
vs another. My neighbor has a 92 5sp. He won't race me.
I suspect it would be up to each of us behind the wheel
because those 2 cars are pretty well matched. The engine
on a SHO is a beut to look at. For the record, Yamaha only
built the heads and intake for those engine...not the entire
motor....220HP vs 190HP with 250lbs less.
Tmeyers
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I have a 93 Auto SHO
It is very fast. I would say an auto SHO is comparable to a Max 5 speed. I havent done any tests, but it just feels similar. Bone stock of course. MY SHOs tranny is dead =(
and it rattled like crazy. I would be interested to see how a 5 speed SHO feels. The 5 speed has less tourque and HP though. Either way it was fun to drive!
and it rattled like crazy. I would be interested to see how a 5 speed SHO feels. The 5 speed has less tourque and HP though. Either way it was fun to drive!
SHO's,
a auto SHO is not comparable to a 5Speed Max,here are some times from a old Car and Driver,
95 5SPD SHO 0-60=6.5
95 5SPD MAX 0-60=6.6
So there you have it neck and neck between the two cars it's all up to the drivers and mods.
And the dude who was looking at the 95 SHO and 97 MAX those cars are in a total different price range,so I do not see how you can compare them to each other when there is a $8K price range difference between them.
95 5SPD SHO 0-60=6.5
95 5SPD MAX 0-60=6.6
So there you have it neck and neck between the two cars it's all up to the drivers and mods.
And the dude who was looking at the 95 SHO and 97 MAX those cars are in a total different price range,so I do not see how you can compare them to each other when there is a $8K price range difference between them.
Re: SHO
V8 is also made by Yahama, but barely made more power (only 235HP???). V6 has 220HP and 200ft-lb 5spd, 215ft-lb auto. They have plenty of parts to go faster, but expensive relative to the rapid depreciation of the car.
I was really thinking about an SHO, but for a 5spd that meant a 95 or older car notorious for rattles and rust.
That kind of power in an 89 must have been amazing.
shotimes.com has plenty of info and shoshop.com is a SHO/SVT dedicated shop.
[Edited by philpoe on 12-07-2000 at 10:48 AM]
I was really thinking about an SHO, but for a 5spd that meant a 95 or older car notorious for rattles and rust.
That kind of power in an 89 must have been amazing.
shotimes.com has plenty of info and shoshop.com is a SHO/SVT dedicated shop.
Originally posted by Bernie Lomax
The SHO motors are made by Yamaha. Ford must've had some contract with them or something. After 95, the 96-99 SHO's, are V8 and 5 spd is not an option.
When I bought my Maxima I was torn between a 95 SHO loaded or my 97 SE. I still look at those babies on the highway and wonder if I made the right choice, but I think I did.
The SHO motors are made by Yamaha. Ford must've had some contract with them or something. After 95, the 96-99 SHO's, are V8 and 5 spd is not an option.
When I bought my Maxima I was torn between a 95 SHO loaded or my 97 SE. I still look at those babies on the highway and wonder if I made the right choice, but I think I did.
Re: sorry to sound naiive
Dual exhaust means that you went up against a rare Contour SVT. It should have also had a fairly slick looking ground effects package. Wheels aren't that "unique", but headlight treatment is more aggressive, with integrated fogs. Look on the rear trunk for a small SVT badge.
200HP in most recent form, less torque, but a lightened flywheel. Stock vs stock, it's a bear (I think Max is slightly faster). Modded Maxima should be faster.
I'm very tempted to see if SHO V6 can fit in any Contour.
The earliest SHOs are cheap enough to buy for a parts source. In theory, the Duratec V6 from the Taurus fits in (200HP/200ft-lb), and can then be further modified.
200HP in most recent form, less torque, but a lightened flywheel. Stock vs stock, it's a bear (I think Max is slightly faster). Modded Maxima should be faster.
I'm very tempted to see if SHO V6 can fit in any Contour.
The earliest SHOs are cheap enough to buy for a parts source. In theory, the Duratec V6 from the Taurus fits in (200HP/200ft-lb), and can then be further modified.
Originally posted by humaras
The SHO is fast--and so is its little brother the contour--I raced one once on rt 1 and wheww...it was fast--it was new and it seem to have a dual exhaust and the works--
The SHO is fast--and so is its little brother the contour--I raced one once on rt 1 and wheww...it was fast--it was new and it seem to have a dual exhaust and the works--
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that ittle contour
yes--
that was the little annoying $bastard...it tailgated me for a good part of rt1 not too long ago.
it was black, had the fogs intergrated, and the ground work. I saw it had 16" rims --factory I am assuming with firestone tires on it and it had a ground effect package. And yes--I did see very small svt letters on the trunk when it pass by...
wheww--sorry to sound naiive again--but I never knew ford can make engines like this.
Are these high powered engines all ford or parts of it are made by yamaha?
that was the little annoying $bastard...it tailgated me for a good part of rt1 not too long ago.
it was black, had the fogs intergrated, and the ground work. I saw it had 16" rims --factory I am assuming with firestone tires on it and it had a ground effect package. And yes--I did see very small svt letters on the trunk when it pass by...
wheww--sorry to sound naiive again--but I never knew ford can make engines like this.
Are these high powered engines all ford or parts of it are made by yamaha?
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Hey, I love the Maxima, but say all you want, the SHO is faster, and not just a little. Magazine times make you feel more comfortable? Then go race an 88 to 91 SHO 5spd that’s in good shape and see what happens to you. I won’t say I told you so. The auto is a 3.5, and the 5spd is 3.0. They gave extra displacement to the automatic so that the performance would be close. Last time I checked, my GLE didn’t have more umph because its automatic compared to a 5spd SE? The 5spd still is slightly faster on the SHO with the right driver.
A slightly moded Maxima (like mine) can pull from the light, maybe even 1 and a half to two car lengths, soon as the SHO gets traction and hit 4k RPM its over. By 60MPH he is already passed you. A slightly moded SHO, even more dangerous. They make plenty of inexpensive mods for these cars. These SHOs are even faster then the current v8, which is pathetic for a v8. Do I think it’s a better car? No. Its not reliable worth crap. However, it’s a FASTER car.
If you can honestly say you have beaten one of these in a slightly moded N/A makima from a stop, then I’ll listen, but don’t bring up Magazine BS.
A slightly moded Maxima (like mine) can pull from the light, maybe even 1 and a half to two car lengths, soon as the SHO gets traction and hit 4k RPM its over. By 60MPH he is already passed you. A slightly moded SHO, even more dangerous. They make plenty of inexpensive mods for these cars. These SHOs are even faster then the current v8, which is pathetic for a v8. Do I think it’s a better car? No. Its not reliable worth crap. However, it’s a FASTER car.
If you can honestly say you have beaten one of these in a slightly moded N/A makima from a stop, then I’ll listen, but don’t bring up Magazine BS.
I am going to go hunting for a SHO,
and I gaurantee you if I find one I will murder it unless it has some good performance mods on it.Back when my Max was stock I raced a few and beat them by a little bit,but now my Max is a new animal and whould reck a stock one for sure.Also why are you busting on Magazine #'s they a completly legit,and with the #'s as follows a stock 95 5spd Max will be neck and neck with any year Sho.
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Oh really, magazines are legit? Magazines are not real world street racing, and only show what they want. It doesn’t say who took off first by half a second, what the road surface is like, they used a controlled environment.
Car manufactures give the automotive press a vehicle that is in excellent tune, not always like you and I might get. The know motor Trend’s enthusiast will try to get every last drop of HP and MPH.
If they the are legit, let me pull a mag out, Ok, Consumer Reports New Car Preview 2001, lets see the new Maxima. They buy anonymously and not borrow any cars by the way.
2000GXE is the test car with the Auto, 0-60 in 7.8, quarter mile in 16.2
What you think of that?
Another one, OK Infiniti I30. 2000, automatic 227HP 0-60 in 8.7 quarter mile in 16.7
How did that happen, weight distribution is off only by a pound and the i30 is only 100Lbs heavier and has 5 more HP?
Now I noticed all the times are a little high, even for a Vette so it could be elevation. Anyhow. My point is, you can’t say you’ll beat one in a real world situation only because a magazine it was only one tenth of a second faster? Are you reproducing the controlled environment, or going to race one at a red light? Also, not all Mags post the same times as you can see.
Car manufactures give the automotive press a vehicle that is in excellent tune, not always like you and I might get. The know motor Trend’s enthusiast will try to get every last drop of HP and MPH.
If they the are legit, let me pull a mag out, Ok, Consumer Reports New Car Preview 2001, lets see the new Maxima. They buy anonymously and not borrow any cars by the way.
2000GXE is the test car with the Auto, 0-60 in 7.8, quarter mile in 16.2
What you think of that?
Another one, OK Infiniti I30. 2000, automatic 227HP 0-60 in 8.7 quarter mile in 16.7
How did that happen, weight distribution is off only by a pound and the i30 is only 100Lbs heavier and has 5 more HP?
Now I noticed all the times are a little high, even for a Vette so it could be elevation. Anyhow. My point is, you can’t say you’ll beat one in a real world situation only because a magazine it was only one tenth of a second faster? Are you reproducing the controlled environment, or going to race one at a red light? Also, not all Mags post the same times as you can see.
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I think you're afraid of the SHO because your GLE doesn't stand much of chance against one. I don't fear SHOs and my SHO friends know this. We all run about the same et at the track and at the same mphs. They don't walk me on the topend like you suggest, actually it is the other way around . The Yamaha V6 isn't the end all to V6s. It makes more hp, but it lacks the torque of the VQ. The major problem with the SHO is it's poorly geared and EXTREMELY fragile Mazda 5 speed.
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I don't feel very encouraged to race this SHO, after all this positve talk about the yamaha/ford engine. I've got money and also respect for all maxima's if I win this race. If the weather ever gets partially nice in shy-town hopefully I'll prove who as the better car. Looks like I need another mod. Anyone want to give me NOS as a christmas present so I can bag this showdown.
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Dave B. Did I say it was a reliable car? No, I said it was horrible. Did I say I was afraid of them, no. What’s with the assumptions Dave? Read my last post, I was making a point. Furthermore no one here has given a victory from one at a stop.
Did you beat one? If so, if its stock, what if it have the same mods? Now why would my GLE not stand a chance with my given mods and everyone else’s SHO killer Maxima can? Most SHOs I run unto are not completely stock, and have a 5spd verse my Automation. Now I’m sure a 5spd will even the ods a little, buts is surely not an easy victory, and definitely not stock verse stock.
Like I said earlier, say what you want. I’ll be convinced when you beat one stock for stock or mod for mod. Any car can be made to beat another car, that’s not the point. I have a car that will embrace a SC’ed Maxima, not even to mention an SHO, but its not the same class of vehicle.
Did you beat one? If so, if its stock, what if it have the same mods? Now why would my GLE not stand a chance with my given mods and everyone else’s SHO killer Maxima can? Most SHOs I run unto are not completely stock, and have a 5spd verse my Automation. Now I’m sure a 5spd will even the ods a little, buts is surely not an easy victory, and definitely not stock verse stock.
Like I said earlier, say what you want. I’ll be convinced when you beat one stock for stock or mod for mod. Any car can be made to beat another car, that’s not the point. I have a car that will embrace a SC’ed Maxima, not even to mention an SHO, but its not the same class of vehicle.
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Also Dave, this info was for JayMax97 who wants to race a SHO and also has an auto Max. So I guess he should be afraid too? Hmm. Its funny how some people here over react to the maximas perfromance is if it rains supreme. I'm giving honest ods for him, rvery specific maxima. And like I said, the Maxima is a better car, even if you do loose JayMax97.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by TexMaximum
[I]Oh really, magazines are legit? Magazines are not real world street racing, and only show what they want.
It doesn’t say who took off first by half a second,
what the road surface is like, they used a controlled environment.
Car manufactures give the automotive press a vehicle that is in excellent tune, not always like you and I might get. The know motor Trend’s enthusiast will try to get every last drop of HP and MPH.
If they the are legit, let me pull a mag out, Ok, Consumer Reports New Car Preview 2001, lets see the new Maxima. They buy anonymously and not borrow any cars by the way.
2000GXE is the test car with the Auto, 0-60 in 7.8, quarter mile in 16.2
What you think of that?
Hey thats actually quicker the MT so what do you think of that?
How did that happen, weight distribution is off only by a pound and the i30 is only 100Lbs heavier and has 5 more HP?
My point is, you can’t say you’ll beat one in a real world situation only because a magazine it was only one tenth of a second faster?
I never said you could,infact I said it would be neck and neck and would depend on the drivers and mods.
Are you reproducing the controlled environment
or going to race one at a red light? Also, not all Mags post the same times as you can see.
Some of the points you brought up are true,but the tests from say MT are averaged out,they take 3 runs in the oppisite directions of each other to cancel out the wind factor and then they average the 3 times into what you see in the Mags,and the test tracks are the same for each car test so every car has the same fair test as one another.Also you say that the cars they test are beefed up a little,there is no evidence of this at least none brought to my attention,and if this was proven true there would most likely be massive law suits from one car manufacure to another for false advertising.The bottom line here is every car tested has the same test enviroment and rules applied,so once again I will say it IT IS LEGIT !!,further more try to compare tests from RT,MT,CD,not too consumer reports they seem to always be a bit slower due to the fact of the drivers not driving the car to the limit or inexperience with drag racing {I suspect both}. unless you can prove other wise?A final comment,I agree that just because a car is a 10th quicker then another car you will not nessaserly win but the odds are for you,further more comparing tests from the same magazine will give yield the most accurate times from one car to another,and with out car mags what base of comparison due we have?
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[I]Oh really, magazines are legit? Magazines are not real world street racing, and only show what they want.
It doesn’t say who took off first by half a second,
what the road surface is like, they used a controlled environment.
Car manufactures give the automotive press a vehicle that is in excellent tune, not always like you and I might get. The know motor Trend’s enthusiast will try to get every last drop of HP and MPH.
If they the are legit, let me pull a mag out, Ok, Consumer Reports New Car Preview 2001, lets see the new Maxima. They buy anonymously and not borrow any cars by the way.
2000GXE is the test car with the Auto, 0-60 in 7.8, quarter mile in 16.2
What you think of that?
Hey thats actually quicker the MT so what do you think of that?
How did that happen, weight distribution is off only by a pound and the i30 is only 100Lbs heavier and has 5 more HP?
My point is, you can’t say you’ll beat one in a real world situation only because a magazine it was only one tenth of a second faster?
I never said you could,infact I said it would be neck and neck and would depend on the drivers and mods.
Are you reproducing the controlled environment
or going to race one at a red light? Also, not all Mags post the same times as you can see.
Some of the points you brought up are true,but the tests from say MT are averaged out,they take 3 runs in the oppisite directions of each other to cancel out the wind factor and then they average the 3 times into what you see in the Mags,and the test tracks are the same for each car test so every car has the same fair test as one another.Also you say that the cars they test are beefed up a little,there is no evidence of this at least none brought to my attention,and if this was proven true there would most likely be massive law suits from one car manufacure to another for false advertising.The bottom line here is every car tested has the same test enviroment and rules applied,so once again I will say it IT IS LEGIT !!,further more try to compare tests from RT,MT,CD,not too consumer reports they seem to always be a bit slower due to the fact of the drivers not driving the car to the limit or inexperience with drag racing {I suspect both}. unless you can prove other wise?A final comment,I agree that just because a car is a 10th quicker then another car you will not nessaserly win but the odds are for you,further more comparing tests from the same magazine will give yield the most accurate times from one car to another,and with out car mags what base of comparison due we have?
Peace
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I did not say beefed up. I said that is in excellent tune. This is well known among the industry. This is one reason why loaner cars always tend to be manual if available as they will yield better performance data. Just like the Maximas RT and MT were given. This is nothing that will spark a legal battle, nor false advertisement, as the manufacturer is not responsible for what the Mag posts. Some mags post that a particular cars stinks, worse news for the manufacture. Doesn’t cause massive suites, called freedom of the press and opinion.
How many people here will dive better then the professionals day in and out, even the CR ones. Stock for stock the SHO is faster, and AUTO for auto, even more so, and that is who we are trying to help. A Auto maxima owner.
How many people here will dive better then the professionals day in and out, even the CR ones. Stock for stock the SHO is faster, and AUTO for auto, even more so, and that is who we are trying to help. A Auto maxima owner.
Originally posted by TexMaximum
I did not say beefed up. I said that is in excellent tune. This is well known among the industry. This is one reason why loaner cars always tend to be manual if available as they will yield better performance data. Just like the Maximas RT and MT were given. This is nothing that will spark a legal battle, nor false advertisement, as the manufacturer is not responsible for what the Mag posts. Some mags post that a particular cars stinks, worse news for the manufacture. Doesn’t cause massive suites, called freedom of the press and opinion.
You said ,They are In a better tune then you and I might get,which in my mind you were saying that they get better/quicker cars then the general public which now your saying is not true,whats up with that? and also you refered to consumer reports having a regular car so why did you make the original statement?,never the less the vehicles that are under comparison are both tuned to there best ability,so bottum line here is you are trying to twist your words to your advantage in this disscusion and in result make me look like a fool.
How many people here will dive better then the professionals day in and out
Most likely none of us will what is your point?The drivers testing the mags offer us abase of comparison true to the real world,regular people VS regular people will abide by the same rules.
Stock for stock the SHO is faster, and AUTO for auto, even more so, and that is who we are trying to help. A Auto maxima owner.
I am aware a auto person is seeking guidence here,you were the one to start this discusion with me so how are you and I any different in trying to help the auto guy out at this point? I original was posting in response to a acquisation saying that auto VS 5SPD would be close,and then you buted in,and here we are,so don't try to twist thing around here.
I did not say beefed up. I said that is in excellent tune. This is well known among the industry. This is one reason why loaner cars always tend to be manual if available as they will yield better performance data. Just like the Maximas RT and MT were given. This is nothing that will spark a legal battle, nor false advertisement, as the manufacturer is not responsible for what the Mag posts. Some mags post that a particular cars stinks, worse news for the manufacture. Doesn’t cause massive suites, called freedom of the press and opinion.
You said ,They are In a better tune then you and I might get,which in my mind you were saying that they get better/quicker cars then the general public which now your saying is not true,whats up with that? and also you refered to consumer reports having a regular car so why did you make the original statement?,never the less the vehicles that are under comparison are both tuned to there best ability,so bottum line here is you are trying to twist your words to your advantage in this disscusion and in result make me look like a fool.
How many people here will dive better then the professionals day in and out
Most likely none of us will what is your point?The drivers testing the mags offer us abase of comparison true to the real world,regular people VS regular people will abide by the same rules.
Stock for stock the SHO is faster, and AUTO for auto, even more so, and that is who we are trying to help. A Auto maxima owner.
I am aware a auto person is seeking guidence here,you were the one to start this discusion with me so how are you and I any different in trying to help the auto guy out at this point? I original was posting in response to a acquisation saying that auto VS 5SPD would be close,and then you buted in,and here we are,so don't try to twist thing around here.
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emax95: Why are you getting all defensive? I’m not twisting anything around, you read into the lines too much, or only read what you want. Try again. I’m saying it will not be that close with his only mod being a CIA. That’s my opinion and obviously others here and yours is yours.
Now, CR does buy cars anonymously for a reason, think about it? For the last time, the cars the editors get are pre-checked to the best of the companies ability, far more then your average vehicle at your dealer. Any business person will see this as common business practice and is done for all kinds of products. I would do it if I was Nissan or any other car company, because if its stinks, you get burned.
I’m not going back on my statements, I’m reiterating in laymen’s terms. I stated "Car manufactures give the automotive press a vehicle that is in excellent tune, not always like you and I might get.” You interpret it all wrong and say…” Also you say that the cars they test are beefed up a little,there is no evidence of this…” and go it to legal repercations and so on. See how different that is.
I corrected you by stating I did not say that, and you claim I’m twisting the words, oh well.
Now, in closing, if you don’t recognize this fact, then I don’t care. Think what you want. I’m not twisting anything, read again. I know of plenty of people that have bought a new Maxima for example and have fitment and quality problems, not common with all Maximas. Some right here on this BBS.
Now, you as a executive of Nissan, would surely drive the car and have an engineer check the car out
top to bottom, before letting the press test it. If not your an idiot that skipped business 101. (Not you personally, just an analogy)
I’m not telling you I think its being done, I KNOW its being done. Get over it.
Different mags have different testig methods and results, some do show it close. However, was the one you saw an Automatic max still close to the SHO? Not the ones I've seen. From my experiences stock for stock or stock verse intake only, the SHO will win.
Now, CR does buy cars anonymously for a reason, think about it? For the last time, the cars the editors get are pre-checked to the best of the companies ability, far more then your average vehicle at your dealer. Any business person will see this as common business practice and is done for all kinds of products. I would do it if I was Nissan or any other car company, because if its stinks, you get burned.
I’m not going back on my statements, I’m reiterating in laymen’s terms. I stated "Car manufactures give the automotive press a vehicle that is in excellent tune, not always like you and I might get.” You interpret it all wrong and say…” Also you say that the cars they test are beefed up a little,there is no evidence of this…” and go it to legal repercations and so on. See how different that is.
I corrected you by stating I did not say that, and you claim I’m twisting the words, oh well.
Now, in closing, if you don’t recognize this fact, then I don’t care. Think what you want. I’m not twisting anything, read again. I know of plenty of people that have bought a new Maxima for example and have fitment and quality problems, not common with all Maximas. Some right here on this BBS.
Now, you as a executive of Nissan, would surely drive the car and have an engineer check the car out
top to bottom, before letting the press test it. If not your an idiot that skipped business 101. (Not you personally, just an analogy)
I’m not telling you I think its being done, I KNOW its being done. Get over it.
Different mags have different testig methods and results, some do show it close. However, was the one you saw an Automatic max still close to the SHO? Not the ones I've seen. From my experiences stock for stock or stock verse intake only, the SHO will win.
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"I original was posting in response to a acquisation saying that auto VS 5SPD would be close."
And I said the Auto in the SHO has a little more engine power then the 5spd SHO, not like the Maxima, so it might not be that close after all, and that this is Auto verse Auto, so your assuptions may be off.
"...,and then you buted in"
LAST time I checked, this was a public BBS for all to reply.
[Edited by TexMaximum on 12-07-2000 at 03:40 AM]
And I said the Auto in the SHO has a little more engine power then the 5spd SHO, not like the Maxima, so it might not be that close after all, and that this is Auto verse Auto, so your assuptions may be off.
"...,and then you buted in"
LAST time I checked, this was a public BBS for all to reply.
[Edited by TexMaximum on 12-07-2000 at 03:40 AM]
Tex...you are right, "by the facts" a SHO will beat an auto Max with just a CAI. But what is the "stated" difference in times? Maybe one second max! This can easily be overcome by superior driving on the part of the Max owner, so don't say "He doesnt have a chance." To the guy who started this thread: Hell ya, you have a chance. His car is prob a bit faster, but not so much faster that he will definitely beat you. It will be a close race!
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"never the less the vehicles that are under comparison are both tuned to there best ability”
Did you ever consider this. If both cars in the review are very well checked and not picked out at random with blind folds on, then because most problems in manufacturing today are random, that one of the two on race day might not be to the performance level of the magazine car? Plus these likely have more mileage on them then the newer test cars you read about.
With the Maxima being the underdog initially anyway, if those ods fell on our Maxima friend, the gap would be even wider making it even harder to win.
Most SHO’s dirvers throwing out challenges or accepting them will have the car in quick running shape. Yes they brake down more, but if all is well on his end, and he has good tire thread, he should win. If both cars are in great shape, SHO should win. If the Maxima is not in perfect shape, the SHO will REALLY win.
I think I’ve proven my points and not discrediting anyone’s intelligence.
[Edited by TexMaximum on 12-07-2000 at 03:43 AM]
Did you ever consider this. If both cars in the review are very well checked and not picked out at random with blind folds on, then because most problems in manufacturing today are random, that one of the two on race day might not be to the performance level of the magazine car? Plus these likely have more mileage on them then the newer test cars you read about.
With the Maxima being the underdog initially anyway, if those ods fell on our Maxima friend, the gap would be even wider making it even harder to win.
Most SHO’s dirvers throwing out challenges or accepting them will have the car in quick running shape. Yes they brake down more, but if all is well on his end, and he has good tire thread, he should win. If both cars are in great shape, SHO should win. If the Maxima is not in perfect shape, the SHO will REALLY win.
I think I’ve proven my points and not discrediting anyone’s intelligence.
[Edited by TexMaximum on 12-07-2000 at 03:43 AM]
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Now info to help our Maxima friend: here is the specs on a 3.0 95. The one that you might race is a 3.2,
Factory Specifications
Engine: 3.0 24v DOHC V6
Horsepower: 220 bhp
Torque: 200 lb-ft
0-60 mph: 6.4 sec
Top Speed: 140 mph
Fuel Efficiency: 18/22 mpg
Transmission: 5 spd man
Curb Weight: 3425 lb
Wheels: 16 in
Tires: Goodyear GT+4
Here is some info on the 3.2
Ford decided that additional low-end torque was necessary to work with the slushbox. The stall speed of the torque converter would have been too high with the 3.0, so Ford had Yamaha bore the engine to 3.2 liters (the bore went from 3.5" to 3.62"), bringing the torque peak down in the RPM range while increasing its magnitude. The 3.2 liter engine's torque peak is 215 lb-ft @ 4000 RPM, and the power peak is 220 hp @ 6000 RPM. The corresponding figures for the 3.0 liter engine are 200 lb-ft @ 4800 RPM and 220 hp @ 6200 RPM.
Factory Specifications
Engine: 3.0 24v DOHC V6
Horsepower: 220 bhp
Torque: 200 lb-ft
0-60 mph: 6.4 sec
Top Speed: 140 mph
Fuel Efficiency: 18/22 mpg
Transmission: 5 spd man
Curb Weight: 3425 lb
Wheels: 16 in
Tires: Goodyear GT+4
Here is some info on the 3.2
Ford decided that additional low-end torque was necessary to work with the slushbox. The stall speed of the torque converter would have been too high with the 3.0, so Ford had Yamaha bore the engine to 3.2 liters (the bore went from 3.5" to 3.62"), bringing the torque peak down in the RPM range while increasing its magnitude. The 3.2 liter engine's torque peak is 215 lb-ft @ 4000 RPM, and the power peak is 220 hp @ 6000 RPM. The corresponding figures for the 3.0 liter engine are 200 lb-ft @ 4800 RPM and 220 hp @ 6200 RPM.