5th gen muffler myth answered by a DYNO
06-27-2002, 05:30 PM
#1
5th gen muffler myth answered by a DYNO
I have a 1997 se maxima.... with a dyno max muffler I dyno'd at 173 HP and 183 TQ
Today with a 2000 se meffler, I dyno'd at 171 HP and 180 TQ
So a loss of 2 HP and 4 lbs of TQ
So this is the REAL DEAL on the 5th gen muffler. I am NOT the first to do it. But I am just posting dyno results to let those of you thinking about it know what loss your looking at.
Temp/baro was very close to each other. So there is no loss there and all are SAE corrected.
any questions on mods, check the dyno forum.
YES it is QUIET
Today with a 2000 se meffler, I dyno'd at 171 HP and 180 TQ
So a loss of 2 HP and 4 lbs of TQ
So this is the REAL DEAL on the 5th gen muffler. I am NOT the first to do it. But I am just posting dyno results to let those of you thinking about it know what loss your looking at.
Temp/baro was very close to each other. So there is no loss there and all are SAE corrected.
any questions on mods, check the dyno forum.
YES it is QUIET
06-27-2002, 05:58 PM
#2
Re: 5th gen muffler myth answered by a DYNO
Originally posted by bags533
I have a 1997 se maxima.... with a dyno max muffler I dyno'd at 173 HP and 183 TQ
Today with a 2000 se meffler, I dyno'd at 171 HP and 180 TQ
....
I have a 1997 se maxima.... with a dyno max muffler I dyno'd at 173 HP and 183 TQ
Today with a 2000 se meffler, I dyno'd at 171 HP and 180 TQ
....
I would imagine that the 2K muffler is still better than the STOCK 4th Gen one...
06-27-2002, 06:08 PM
#3
Re: Re: 5th gen muffler myth answered by a DYNO
Originally posted by Chunger
I would imagine that the 2K muffler is still better than the STOCK 4th Gen one...
I would imagine that the 2K muffler is still better than the STOCK 4th Gen one...
06-27-2002, 06:27 PM
#4
Re: Re: Re: 5th gen muffler myth answered by a DYNO
Originally posted by mzmtg
Right, we need 2k vs. OEM results as well...
Right, we need 2k vs. OEM results as well...
yes your correct...
I know there are a few people with hi-flow mufflers thinking about noise reduction, so I posted my dyno results.
Maybe being the evil mod you are you could make this information find it's way into the FAQ
just my 4 cents.
06-27-2002, 07:35 PM
#6
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 5th gen muffler myth answered by a DYNO
Originally posted by MardiGrasMax
I hate that the in tube on hte 2k muffler is only 2-1/4", thats tiney!
But it sure is quiet!
I hate that the in tube on hte 2k muffler is only 2-1/4", thats tiney!
But it sure is quiet!
Does anyone know the size of the 2k2 muffler is it any bigger?
06-27-2002, 07:45 PM
#8
Originally posted by Jamsan
off topic, but jime, why does your left headlight look like ....its not there?
off topic, but jime, why does your left headlight look like ....its not there?
06-27-2002, 08:22 PM
#10
Re: Re: Re: 5th gen muffler myth answered by a DYNO
Originally posted by mzmtg
Right, we need 2k vs. OEM results as well...
Right, we need 2k vs. OEM results as well...
..OEM 4th gen 175.5hp 184.7tq
....2K variable 183.7hp 193.3tq
Yeah I know it's weird. You say the OEM pull was bad? I did two pulls and that was the lesser gain. Maybe my OEM muffler did have a problem if that's possible.
orig thread and Feb dyno links
Figures are accurate, did 2 more pulls last weekend comparing K&N with Monsterflow. current fwhp is now over 190 with 16" rims.
06-30-2002, 11:58 AM
#11
Re: Re: Re: Re: 5th gen muffler myth answered by a DYNO
Originally posted by BEJAY1
Thanks bags533 for doing the compare. That was very different than my results.
..OEM 4th gen 175.5hp 184.7tq
....2K variable 183.7hp 193.3tq
Yeah I know it's weird. You say the OEM pull was bad? I did two pulls and that was the lesser gain. Maybe my OEM muffler did have a problem if that's possible.
orig thread and Feb dyno links
Figures are accurate, did 2 more pulls last weekend comparing K&N with Monsterflow. current fwhp is now over 190 with 16" rims.
Thanks bags533 for doing the compare. That was very different than my results.
..OEM 4th gen 175.5hp 184.7tq
....2K variable 183.7hp 193.3tq
Yeah I know it's weird. You say the OEM pull was bad? I did two pulls and that was the lesser gain. Maybe my OEM muffler did have a problem if that's possible.
orig thread and Feb dyno links
Figures are accurate, did 2 more pulls last weekend comparing K&N with Monsterflow. current fwhp is now over 190 with 16" rims.
cool thanks for the factory to 5th gen numbers.
06-30-2002, 01:19 PM
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Re: Re: Re: Re: 5th gen muffler myth answered by a DYNO
Originally posted by BEJAY1
Thanks bags533 for doing the compare. That was very different than my results.
..OEM 4th gen 175.5hp 184.7tq
....2K variable 183.7hp 193.3tq
Yeah I know it's weird. You say the OEM pull was bad? I did two pulls and that was the lesser gain. Maybe my OEM muffler did have a problem if that's possible.
orig thread and Feb dyno links
Figures are accurate, did 2 more pulls last weekend comparing K&N with Monsterflow. current fwhp is now over 190 with 16" rims.
Thanks bags533 for doing the compare. That was very different than my results.
..OEM 4th gen 175.5hp 184.7tq
....2K variable 183.7hp 193.3tq
Yeah I know it's weird. You say the OEM pull was bad? I did two pulls and that was the lesser gain. Maybe my OEM muffler did have a problem if that's possible.
orig thread and Feb dyno links
Figures are accurate, did 2 more pulls last weekend comparing K&N with Monsterflow. current fwhp is now over 190 with 16" rims.
Paul
07-01-2002, 08:11 AM
#14
Originally posted by Anachronism
How did the K&N compare to the Monsterflow?
How did the K&N compare to the Monsterflow?
http://forums.maxima.org/showthread....highlight=DYNO
07-01-2002, 11:17 AM
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Don't know how I missed that thread, feel free to flame me.
07-01-2002, 12:18 PM
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Re: 5th gen muffler myth answered by a DYNO
Originally posted by bags533
I have a 1997 se maxima.... with a dyno max muffler I dyno'd at 173 HP and 183 TQ
Today with a 2000 se meffler, I dyno'd at 171 HP and 180 TQ
So a loss of 2 HP and 4 lbs of TQ
So this is the REAL DEAL on the 5th gen muffler. I am NOT the first to do it. But I am just posting dyno results to let those of you thinking about it know what loss your looking at.
Temp/baro was very close to each other. So there is no loss there and all are SAE corrected.
any questions on mods, check the dyno forum.
YES it is QUIET
I have a 1997 se maxima.... with a dyno max muffler I dyno'd at 173 HP and 183 TQ
Today with a 2000 se meffler, I dyno'd at 171 HP and 180 TQ
So a loss of 2 HP and 4 lbs of TQ
So this is the REAL DEAL on the 5th gen muffler. I am NOT the first to do it. But I am just posting dyno results to let those of you thinking about it know what loss your looking at.
Temp/baro was very close to each other. So there is no loss there and all are SAE corrected.
any questions on mods, check the dyno forum.
YES it is QUIET
http://forums.maxima.org/showthread....5&pagenumber=1
You said it is quiet. How much more so then your Dynomax? A large difference? Thanks again so much for posting this. It helped a lot.
-Josh
07-01-2002, 07:42 PM
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Re: 5th gen muffler myth answered by a DYNO
I was wondering at what rpm does the muffler open up? On my se-r it opens around 4200-4400rpm and I have a 2.25in cat + piping. It is quiet on my car too.
Originally posted by bags533
I have a 1997 se maxima.... with a dyno max muffler I dyno'd at 173 HP and 183 TQ
Today with a 2000 se meffler, I dyno'd at 171 HP and 180 TQ
So a loss of 2 HP and 4 lbs of TQ
So this is the REAL DEAL on the 5th gen muffler. I am NOT the first to do it. But I am just posting dyno results to let those of you thinking about it know what loss your looking at.
Temp/baro was very close to each other. So there is no loss there and all are SAE corrected.
any questions on mods, check the dyno forum.
YES it is QUIET
I have a 1997 se maxima.... with a dyno max muffler I dyno'd at 173 HP and 183 TQ
Today with a 2000 se meffler, I dyno'd at 171 HP and 180 TQ
So a loss of 2 HP and 4 lbs of TQ
So this is the REAL DEAL on the 5th gen muffler. I am NOT the first to do it. But I am just posting dyno results to let those of you thinking about it know what loss your looking at.
Temp/baro was very close to each other. So there is no loss there and all are SAE corrected.
any questions on mods, check the dyno forum.
YES it is QUIET
07-23-2002, 11:04 AM
#23
Originally posted by ericdwong
I honestly do think the OEM muffler is quite restrictive. I mean just look how tiny the piping is inlet and outlet. Theres probably 101 baffles inside as well. However I hate droney exhaust.
I honestly do think the OEM muffler is quite restrictive. I mean just look how tiny the piping is inlet and outlet. Theres probably 101 baffles inside as well. However I hate droney exhaust.
07-23-2002, 11:50 AM
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Re: Re: 5th gen muffler myth answered by a DYNO
Originally posted by ptatohed
Thanks so much bags. I have a Dynomax now and was seriously considering a 5th gen muffler. I didn't really expect any gain, I just want my car to be at a decent sound level. See my thread:
http://forums.maxima.org/showthread....5&pagenumber=1
You said it is quiet. How much more so then your Dynomax? A large difference? Thanks again so much for posting this. It helped a lot.
-Josh
Thanks so much bags. I have a Dynomax now and was seriously considering a 5th gen muffler. I didn't really expect any gain, I just want my car to be at a decent sound level. See my thread:
http://forums.maxima.org/showthread....5&pagenumber=1
You said it is quiet. How much more so then your Dynomax? A large difference? Thanks again so much for posting this. It helped a lot.
-Josh
Answer?
07-23-2002, 01:41 PM
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Re: Re: Re: 5th gen muffler myth answered by a DYNO
Originally posted by ptatohed
Answer?
Answer?
by myself I just turn the 12's up and it was fine.
so it is a little louder than stock...and about 1/2 as loud as the dynomax
big_ham..IT IS NOT a direct bolt on.. I have to have it welded on TWICE..the first time it melted my bumper.. and it still does not sit perfect.
anything else just ask
07-23-2002, 03:25 PM
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Re: Re: Re: Re: 5th gen muffler myth answered by a DYNO
Originally posted by bags533
here is the answer to the dynomax VS 5th gen muffler... my dynomax had this dam drone at 1500-4000 rpms.. made it VERY difficult to have a normal conversation with someone in the backseat..
by myself I just turn the 12's up and it was fine.
so it is a little louder than stock...and about 1/2 as loud as the dynomax
big_ham..IT IS NOT a direct bolt on.. I have to have it welded on TWICE..the first time it melted my bumper.. and it still does not sit perfect.
anything else just ask
here is the answer to the dynomax VS 5th gen muffler... my dynomax had this dam drone at 1500-4000 rpms.. made it VERY difficult to have a normal conversation with someone in the backseat..
by myself I just turn the 12's up and it was fine.
so it is a little louder than stock...and about 1/2 as loud as the dynomax
big_ham..IT IS NOT a direct bolt on.. I have to have it welded on TWICE..the first time it melted my bumper.. and it still does not sit perfect.
anything else just ask
07-23-2002, 04:00 PM
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Originally posted by pro
Can anybody tell me if you actually gain 10 HP just by getting a 2k1 muffler?
Thanks,
Paul
Can anybody tell me if you actually gain 10 HP just by getting a 2k1 muffler?
Thanks,
Paul
No, you cannot gain 10 HP from a 5 gen. muffler. I don't know why the results were so different with the guy and his dynos, but I'm pretty sure that getting a 5th gen. muffler will not give you that kind of increase
07-27-2002, 11:40 PM
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i have the 2k muffler on my altima. i just had my piping increased to a 2 1/4 setup so i dont see how this muffler can really hurt me. it is a little louder than stock but it has a very nice sound to it for a four cylinder car people wonder what setup i have. its very comfortable in the car around 75-80mph on the highway unlike my dynomax muffler which droned so bad u had a headache after a 6 hour road trip. also it was pretty much a direct fit. hangers lined up perfectly and the piping followed the same route
07-28-2002, 12:03 AM
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I love the 5th gen muffler
I have an intake, Stillen Y, RT Cat, Courtesy B, and the 5th gen muffler. It is not a direct bolt-on. The person I bought it off of had it cut so I went to my local muffler shop. They took off my stock muffler to measure the curve and angle of the pipe that connects the B-pipe and them muffler. They welded a flange to it and made it into a direct bolt-on for me for only $30 and 15 minutes of my time. I had the B-pipe and 5th gen muffler installed at the same time. The power increase was just shy of the Y-pipe in my opinion. I put the Y-pipe in the week before.
03-05-2003, 03:21 PM
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y not just get an aftermarket muffler , get one with a silencer or just get one with a small tip, if a 5th gen gives gains then an aftermarket one must give more, plus i think they look better.
03-05-2003, 03:30 PM
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Yes, go ahead and do that. Most of these guys have been there already and the STILL went with the 2k max muffler.
I've had my 2k muffer on my Ve 3-gen for years and wouldn't change it for the world. Nothing is more irritating that a droning exhaust sound.
I've had my 2k muffer on my Ve 3-gen for years and wouldn't change it for the world. Nothing is more irritating that a droning exhaust sound.
Originally posted by maxspeed96CT
y not just get an aftermarket muffler , get one with a silencer or just get one with a small tip, if a 5th gen gives gains then an aftermarket one must give more, plus i think they look better.
y not just get an aftermarket muffler , get one with a silencer or just get one with a small tip, if a 5th gen gives gains then an aftermarket one must give more, plus i think they look better.
03-05-2003, 04:29 PM
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Originally posted by maxspeed96CT
y not just get an aftermarket muffler , get one with a silencer or just get one with a small tip, if a 5th gen gives gains then an aftermarket one must give more, plus i think they look better.
y not just get an aftermarket muffler , get one with a silencer or just get one with a small tip, if a 5th gen gives gains then an aftermarket one must give more, plus i think they look better.
Uhhh.. do you fish ???? just for you jeff
Originally posted by jeff92se
Yes, go ahead and do that. Most of these guys have been there already and the STILL went with the 2k max muffler.
I've had my 2k muffer on my Ve 3-gen for years and wouldn't change it for the world. Nothing is more irritating that a droning exhaust sound.
Yes, go ahead and do that. Most of these guys have been there already and the STILL went with the 2k max muffler.
I've had my 2k muffer on my Ve 3-gen for years and wouldn't change it for the world. Nothing is more irritating that a droning exhaust sound.
BUT do as you wish.. This muffler is what I wanted and a few other members wanted.
I will however be changing soon, but for no other reason than I do not want my muffler to be the bottle neck in my system
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