I was driving down a highway with one of my budsa few hours ago in the 2000 maxima GXE auto with the 16's. I pulled up to a light and saw a guy and his girl in the mustang playing some music. I cut mine up and drowned them out. 20 seconds later the ligh turned green. Not knowing it was a GT I raced him. 2 seconds into the race he had a 8 ft lead which just increased. His off the line speed was incredible. When I was @ 4 rpms in first gear, dude was about 17 ft ahead of me. I felt pretty embarassed and stupid. I still feel the heat of his exhaust as he left me in the dust. Moral of this story, Never race a 1998 Musstang GT.

 

never race one if you have a auto. An auto......with mods.....could be even. Again....were comparing a small v6 vs. a large v8.

 

You'll win some and you'll lose some. You just ran against a car that's performance built from the ground up. The Max is still family oriented, so don't feel bad. Go after the 4 door sports sedans like BMW 528's, Mazda Millenium's, Lincoln LS's, etc.

By the way...How fast did you get up to?????

 

I was doing 40 at probably 4.5 rpm.s I stopped after that becuase the lead he had from 0-30 was embarasing.

 

Don't feel too bad. After all it's a V8. Those Mustang GT pull pretty hard. And having an auto didn't help you. Just put some more mods on your car, and then maybe it will be the other way around.

 

You'll win in the long run because their are more reliable maximas on the road than reliable GT mustangs... I'm always thinking ahead for some reason.

 

Shoot....A 5 speed 5th gen Max will beat a 98 GT. Ive raced nine of em (street and strip)and only lost twice. The two I lost to were Cobras. But, Im pretty sure the 99 and newer GT's will spank us big time.

 

Sorry to hear you got whipped. If was me with my stick, i would f**k him off in the 3rd gear at least 110 mph, then shift. I did this once with a camaro z28, but the long run he got me, because z28 are more stable on the turns than my stock max, unless i put eibach on it, which i'm planning to do soon, then i'll take another z28 again...

 

Can a 2k stick beat a 98 mustang GT from 0-60?

Why is auto so much slower than a stick?

 

i can't why auto is slower, but the stick would reach 100 mph way!!!!!!!!faster than the auto, in just a few seconds, but then again it all depends on the driver. I would max out the 3rd gear until the rpm about to hit red line. This is where i get my pickup speed from!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

The auto has a much higher driveline loss; meaning of the rated 222 hp made at the crank, a smaller percentage makes it to the wheels. From what I can tell, it seems the autos show about 20-25 less wheel hp than a 5 speed.

 

aaahhh, the bonuses of having an auto....wait a minute......i can't think of any.....gggrrrrrrr

 

i've beaten a number of mustang gt's before (never gotten the chance to race and svt cobra)...i can defenitely beat a gt from the last generation and it would be fairly close w/ a 1999+ gt (this generation) mustang...i can kill a mustang on turns though...my friends mom had one and me and my friend took it out a few months ago...fishtailed going around a corner about 15-20mph on dry road...they handle like $hit but they have a big engine...we can kill v6 mustangs (all of us) and modded autos and stock manuals (depending on the driver) should be able to take the last gen gt's...this gen gt though is somewhat more powerful and it is a good race whenever i get to race those

anyone raced a 5.0? when i was testdriving a stock maxima w/ the new tcm and then mine (so the dealer could see "if the problem existed") the service guy asked me if i had raced a 5.0 yet...he said it is about dead even until about 60-80 but then we kill them on top end...i didn't know if i should believe this or not...how fast are 5.0's?

 

Whats there 0-60 is what 5.5?

 

'98 Rustangs aren't that fast. I've raced a 5-speed and beat him twice until he gave up.

 

Who cares dude mustangs are garbage anyway I wouldn't even want my max to even ride next to one. I bet the guy driving it had a mullet too didn't he. If you want to win and feel like a badass race a Z3 on the highway I just recently tooled the helll out of one last night.

 

Motor trend has the 99 rusttang tested at 0-60 in 5.4 and 14 flat in the 1/4 so stick or auto theres no hope in hell of messing with it.

 

climax, thats for a 99 stick...we are talking about 98's which have 215hp as opposed to 260hp...also, that is motor trends best time and mustangs are supposed to be dificult sticks to drive...i have beat many mustangs and have never run into anyone who can drive theirs 0-60 in 5.4...by the way, the automatics are 0-60 in 6.2 so a slightly modded max can take that any day

 

You will not hit 110 in third gear unless you raise the rev limiter.

As for pre-99 GTs, I've raced several too and have beaten each one of them. I have lost to the Cobras though.

 

Had a '90 5sp. Mustang GT myself prior to selling it in '97. Replaced it with a Mitsubishi GSX all-wheel drive turbo, and now I have a 2K SE Auto (mainly because the wife can't deal with the manual transmission). The Torque in a Mustang GT is greater than the 5th generation Max, therefore the quick off-line acceleration! Plain and simple there is no contest, especially with the newer Mustangs 97+ (as for Cobras don't even bother it is embarrassing). The Mustang is bred to drag race, the Max isn't (even the 5 spd can't keep up with a 4sp Mustang)... your only option is to race modify (but why). Stick with AccordV6, CamaryV6, PassatsV6 and smaller BMWs.

The major advantage the Max has is it's handling! I have taken corners with the Max that I could never have with the Mustang. Also, the comfort level on the Max is far greater than the Stang. Let's not bother with Mustangs, Camaros, etc. They are in a different league of their own.

In the high end acceleration the Max isn't bad... maybe even up to par with the Mustangs 100Mph and above. I have taken a Mustang to 135mph and the Max to about 130mph. Trust me it is a more comfortable feeling being in the Max at those speeds than the Mustang! The Mustang's rear bounces like a Bronco! The Max is steady and predictable.

Enough of that.

 

V6 Camry's??? why would you EVER race one of those... ****, you could rape one without ever shifting out of neutral..

:-)

Besides, I doubt you would find too many CAMRY owners willing to race...

 

I am a mustang owner (68 Mustang Convertible) and have much driving expirience in other mustangs as well. I have 3 friends with maximas (2 with 4th gen, 1 with 5th gen). Both Maximas and mustangs are fast, but it all comes down to the driver (unless you are racing a cobra). When people start talking about mods that changes everything. A mustang is a lot cheaper to modify then a maxima. Mustangs are also a dime a dozen so they have more readily available performance parts. Dump 2 grand into a mustang and two grand into a maxima and the mustang ends up being much faster.

 

You better have a 5 speed to RAPE my camry. I have already beaten a few auto 2000 maximas in my 99 v6 camry. I raced a 5 speed one and he barely edged me ( he had 18s on it which slowed him down a lil)

I am always willing to race also as i drag race almost every weekend at moroso. My best time yet is a 14.9 which was just done this weekend.

 

Hate to tell you this but . . . A 5SPD 2K MAX IS AS FAST AS A 96-98 MUSTANG GT. If I recall correctly the specs on the GT were 6.6 0-60 and 15.1 1/4mile at 92. Those are identical to the Maxima with a slightly slower 1/4 speed. I think any races with those cars are perfectly fair comparisons. Interestingly enough, I might have bought a 2000 Cobra if Ford didn't screw up the 99s and have to essentially cancel the 2000s because they weren't any faster than the GTs.

True, they can be more easily modified. BUT many aren't modified at all. The look of the GT owner who has just been beaten by a 5spd max with $500 in mods is priceless. I know if the shoe was on the other foot, I wouldn't be happy. (Kinda like when the various modified CRXs I've run into have left me looking silly).

By the way, the GTs I have raced have gotten a slight jump on me out of the hole. By the middle of 2nd I am pulling and in front by the end of 2nd. I pull on them slightly all the way through 3rd gear. I'm not talking about 10 car lengths, you know. Rolling start is all Maxima in my experience. Even stock, I raced two and it was a good race. I won both, because of a little bit better launch.

I don't mess with 99+ GTs or Cobras, but I am looking for 5.0 liter just for the heck of it!!

 

Well unfortunately, your among the minority of camry owners..

And if your into drag racing, why would you EVER buy a camry in the first place.. Just think about what you COULD have done, if you'd only bought a Maxima !!!

 

Excuse me but what exactly can you do w/ a maxima that you can't do w/ a V6 Camry w/ a 5-sp??

 

All i know is if you have a fast car you better be a good driver. I'm pretty good with a stick and i will take most any driver off the line in a closely matched car....after that its catch up...

 

Are you implying that you could even BEGIN to compare a 5SPD Max to a 5SPD camry??

I'm fairly certain that not a single camry has come off of Toyota's production lines able to beat a corresponding Maxima.. (ie.. auto vs. auto, or 5spd vs. 5spd)

Besides, the Maxima community seems much more performance oriented, than their Camry couterparts.. Granted, both the Maxima and Camry are "Grocery Getter Sedans." But your Maxima moves those groceries around a lot faster, with infinitely more sex appeal!!

 

Ya.. I'll give you that much.. a LOT depends on driver ability (with manual trannys in particular)... But imagine yourself racing your evil clone... One of you has a Maxima , and the other a Camry.. Who wins?? My money is on the Maxima...

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by tomz17
[I]I know i like being in the minority!

Because who in the hell expects a camry to be a 5 speed v6 and then be fast? NOBODY, not even cops, so i never get sweated by them. I wanted my car to be a sleeper and i DID want a maxima but the new 2000s were too expensive for me. My 99 camry was $20,500 which is cheap enough for me to have money left over to mod it up.

TRUTHFULLY I used to diss camrys for their looks but mine is getting better as i know what a car should be. Also i needed to get a sedan for insurance reasons. I have a horrible license from my younger years and insurance is WAY HIGH. If not i would be driving a turbo something (supra,mr2,240sx w/sr20det etc etc)

Once i get older and have more money i will move into sports cars again. But for now , a street sleeper is what i will be working on.

 

My cars lighter with slightly more horsepower so how is it slower? Plus the driver like you said. I am not conceeded but i am a better than average driver and most others are not so the slight difference in our cars will be made up by that.

Please bring me a maxima with equal mods to race me. I live in florida and my email is usoulsglok@hotmail.com

My friend has a 98? 5 speed max and i beat him slightly in every race. Dont judge v6 5spd camrys by their auto counterparts which are almost a second slower.

I dont need sex appeal cause i already got a fine *** peruvian goddess to come home to. Plus its game that gets women not the car you drive. I got a lot of girls even when i had no car.

 

Why not answer the question?? Who cares how the camry does against the maxima stock?? No one into these two cars keep them stock anyway. Both are grocery getters. Looks are someone's personal opinion. So answer the question and let's get going on your statement.

 

I'm not here to diss maximas ( im not a troll like that, i frequent a lot of forums ), they are hot *** cars. Thats why im on here....year to year its my best competition and the 2000s can spank me with the right driver.

Dont go talking bout ugly either...i know the camrys kinda wack on the outside but the tailights on the new maximas are not the best looking you gotta admit.

I am just the voice for camry owners and here to defend the car i drive which isnt the crappy,slow,polished turd everyone keeps saying it is.

Plus since the 99 camry and 99 maxima are so close anything i do to my car that makes it faster should work for the max and vice versa..

 

No, but the fact that the Maxima rolls out of Nissan Factories with 28 more BHP, is indicative of the confidence that the company has in their own engines... (and the confidence Nissan owners should have in their own cars) Trust me when I say that Maxima engineers could push the current engine much more than 222HP, as could the Toyota Engineers with the Camry.. The only thing that's stopping them, is that they have to carefully consider the lowest common denominator. They have to assume the worst possible conditions, and base their decisions on overall long-term reliability in those conditions... Moral of the story is that assuming equally competent engineers at both Nissan and Toyota, the Maxima has the better 3.0L engine...

Also, I doubt that quite as many Camry's are modded (in comparison to Maximas).. No hard figures, but just a hunch I have..!! Additionally, I doubt that there is a Camry board, where they ponder about taking on Mustangs on a regular basis... :-)

PS.. I agree with you gLok.. Driving a low-profile car has it advantages... Driving a car that "looks fast", is like driving a powdered donught here in NJ!!!

 

True but again who cares what the hp is? Glok and Tiem has done sub 15 sec 1/4 mile times on very lightly modded Camrys. With an extra whatever hp, the 2000k maximas(5-sp) are also barely going sub-15 sec 1/4 miles(stock or very near stock)

As far as mods, did you know you can get a supercharger from TRD and have it backed by a Factory Toyota Warranty?? When do you think the maxima will EVER get that??

And there are aftermarket LSD(not the viscous types at onlt 20% lock) avail for Toyotas?? For camrys I think now also.

And Toyota could build a 3.0 to do whatever Nissan could do. Last time I heard, Toyota has far more cam advancing tech than Nissan does(in the usa) Just doesn't apply it to the Camry engine.



[Edited by Jeff92se on 12-11-2000 at 04:16 PM]

 

Ya.. the lights aren't the best thing sinced sliced bread.. But I sorta like them.. If not for looks, than for uniqueness.. You can always tell a 2K or 2K1 Maxima apart from any other car, a mile away!! (always from the backside of course, since they are so damn fast!!! :-) )


Sorry for dissing your car earlier, but you gotta admit, that Camry's were never performance oriented vehicles.. An auto camry stands little chance against an auto max (where driver competence isn't as key as with a Manual Tranny). It's sorta like a Maxima vs. a Cobra or a new GT.. The Maxima CAN win, but only on account of a severe difference in driver competence + mods..

-Peace

 

Thats true the 2000 has more HP but i drive a 99 and my car actually has a whole what, 2 hp more than the 99 max? Im not sure of the specs right now so dont hold it against me!

You gotta admit that nissan added a much better, higher HP engine to kick up their US sales. Most guys would buy the car for the engine which is better than the toyota version in my opinion. Nissan needed the extra sales and they knew how to do it! I wish toyota would follow their lead but they are happy selling tons and tons of cheap 4 bangers I rarely see a V6 camry on the road let alone a 5 speed version. Its good in a lot of ways but bad in others ( like getting any performance parts for the V6 other than TRD stuff )

I love low profile...my car is de-badged also so most people think its a 4 banger thats a liberty you guys dont have cause all maximas are fairly fast...either fast auto or faster 5 speed. Guys that are behind me see a stock exhaust and no badges and can tell i got a stick when i let off the brake and sit there. You know 99% of the people out there dont even know a 5 speed V6 exists so they sleep on it.

 

Limited Slip Differential is now available on 2K1 AE Maximas..

As for the supercharger, it's a brilliant business move on Toyota's part (not much more, tho)... They already have the average/conservative sector under control (best selling sedan for how many years??). If they play nice with the performance freaks, their car could double as a sportier sedan (with little if any extra marketing).. Nissan's Maxima starts off with the sportier aspect (you seen any of Nissan's latest advertising spots, they're ALL about performance), so supporting stuff like a turbocharger wouldn't make Nissan much more money (if any)...

Your claims that Camry COULD build a better 3.0L engine are moot.. If they don't do it, any and all research they have are in vain, and a huge waste of money... A big problem with scientific progress, is that companies are reluctant to fund any research that doesn't promise to yield quick returns. If camry had the technology, they WOULD be using it as we speak... Maybe I'm wrong, and maybe they have a more powerful Camry planned for next year.. 2 years down the road? 3? I dunno.. But Toyota be warned, Nissan has big plans too..

 

The only lsd avail for the maxima is the weak 20% lock viscous units. TRD among others have better ones w/ more lock avail. The reason Toyota doesn't have more powerfull engines is they don't need to. Did you read that two other camrys just posted sub 15 sec 1/4 mile times?? Who cares how Nissan market their cars? They marketed the 240sx as a sports car. Does it mean it's faster than anything else? NO it does not. In fact they put the 2.4ka TRUCK engine in there. sheesh! What do you mean is not that brillant a move by Toyota to offer a warranty on their SC?? The top 2-3 reasons IMHO for more people NOT SCing their current maxima is BECUASE IT RUINS their warranty on their brand new $25-$30k car. If Toyota wasn't interested in performance for their Camry, why would they bother to offer a factory warranty?? And if toyota doesn't make good engines, again, why offer the warranty?? (and Nissan does not?)

 

You Got it man! I raced a '98 Z28 with exhaust up the Pali here in Hawaii and in case you don't know it has one of the best hairpin turns and a couple less demanding turns and I overtook (is that a word) the Z28 going around the hairpin and after that he was never closer than three car lengths(don't even try and say that he wasn't racing cause I could hear his exhaust pounding as he stepped it)*for all you max haters* Then when the road straightened out he still wasn't even close to me as I hit 130mph so I decided that it would be a good idea to slow down. Then he passes me with that noisy piece of **** exhaust and sure enough a cop is waiting less than 100yards away around a bend flaging him down. What a fricken idiot! So, I guess the deciding factor is the driver not the car!

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