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Old Jul 19, 2002 | 11:12 PM
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I'm new to Maximas

Hi, I just joined this for the hell of it and I drive a 5.0 Mark VII.
Anyway, Our family also has a Y2K Maxima that I will own in like a year I was wondering if there are actually real modifications for them... (that excludes all lights, stickers, fart cans, and cold air filters for you people you think that a car with a muffler the size of a coffee can will somehow beat anything). I know about the stillen supercharger, but otherwise I cant find a damn thing about maximas...
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Old Jul 20, 2002 | 12:14 AM
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In short ..."A hell of a lot more mods than a Lincon Mark VII could shake a stick at!" Dare, Dare for shame....


















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Old Jul 20, 2002 | 12:58 AM
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Re: I'm new to Maximas

Originally posted by halofourteen67
Hi, I just joined this for the hell of it and I drive a 5.0 Mark VII.
Anyway, Our family also has a Y2K Maxima that I will own in like a year I was wondering if there are actually real modifications for them... (that excludes all lights, stickers, fart cans, and cold air filters for you people you think that a car with a muffler the size of a coffee can will somehow beat anything). I know about the stillen supercharger, but otherwise I cant find a damn thing about maximas...
yeah there are a lot of mods but not as many mods as there are for like a civic or something.
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There's really not that many parts for Maximas. Even less for the 2002 I got. Only Lincoln I'd get is that new Navigator...damn it's tight!
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This should be the first mod on your Maxima.

www.berktuning.com/sale.htm
Old Jul 20, 2002 | 09:10 PM
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well thanks for your help guys. BTW, the Mark VII takes almost any engine mods you can buy for a 5.0 mustang so actually I'm gonna have to say your wrong about that one. I know guys that run in the 11's with Marks, and they spent less than half of retail for a new SE. Anyway, I really love the Maxima and I dont like to consider it a rice mobile B/C its a nice car, But when all you got is a big chromed out air filter and muffler, and your wheels are ridiculously large and expensive, and you put clear light covers and stickers everywhere, YEAH, it is riced out. I've been hearing crap about Nismo making parts availiable in the states soon or something like that so hopefully that will inspire you all do some real work on your cars.
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This should be the first mod on your Maxima.

www.berktuning.com/sale.htm
That was my first mod ., followed by a Frankencar Miid pipe.. The setup still runs in my 2K2.. There are pics on my homepage !
Old Jul 20, 2002 | 11:44 PM
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You may choose to avoid Stillenyoumoney . The other links posted will lead you to more honest businesses.
The fart cans are only for the Honda kiddies. Most of us tend to avoid them like the plauge.
And Nismo? They're still a joke and I won't believe they'll ahve anythign worth buying till I see it. They've been around for a very long time but haven't gotten the factory support they've needed. Most of the great mods (not saying all) are invented by the DIYers like us.
Old Jul 20, 2002 | 11:49 PM
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Originally posted by halofourteen67
well thanks for your help guys. BTW, the Mark VII takes almost any engine mods you can buy for a 5.0 mustang so actually I'm gonna have to say your wrong about that one. I know guys that run in the 11's with Marks, and they spent less than half of retail for a new SE. Anyway, I really love the Maxima and I dont like to consider it a rice mobile B/C its a nice car, But when all you got is a big chromed out air filter and muffler, and your wheels are ridiculously large and expensive, and you put clear light covers and stickers everywhere, YEAH, it is riced out. I've been hearing crap about Nismo making parts availiable in the states soon or something like that so hopefully that will inspire you all do some real work on your cars.
Well then..go to a lincoln car club and talk to your 90 year old pals. Maybe you can race them.
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Well then..go to a lincoln car club and talk to your 90 year old pals. Maybe you can race them.
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Stop by Max - World...The link is in my Signature... Lots of info there too ! <======== Shameless plug !
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Halofourteen67, save your self some trouble and don't bother asking questions on the ORG. Most of the people here have issues and get off on flaming new people. This site has a poor reputation for that.

Anyway, try this "sticky" thread. It has an aftermarket parts list for Maximas with associated weblinks.

http://forums.maxima.org/showthread....threadid=33563

There's also a "how to section" for do-it-yourself mods. Both thread are very useful and you don't have to deal with some of the smartasses here.

www.maximadriver.com is even more useful for mod's info.

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Old Jul 21, 2002 | 08:48 AM
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Originally posted by halofourteen67
well thanks for your help guys. BTW, the Mark VII takes almost any engine mods you can buy for a 5.0 mustang so actually I'm gonna have to say your wrong about that one. I know guys that run in the 11's with Marks, and they spent less than half of retail for a new SE. Anyway, I really love the Maxima and I dont like to consider it a rice mobile B/C its a nice car, But when all you got is a big chromed out air filter and muffler, and your wheels are ridiculously large and expensive, and you put clear light covers and stickers everywhere, YEAH, it is riced out. I've been hearing crap about Nismo making parts availiable in the states soon or something like that so hopefully that will inspire you all do some real work on your cars.


Do some research before you post crap seemingly intended to spur defensive responses. You started out close to civil but comments like:

"hopefully that will inspire you all do some real work on your cars."

That shows no respect. If you have no respect you'll get no respect, so why bother posting? Several people have posted sites to read about aftermarket support of the Maxima and sites which have how-to's and deals on available modifications so I have nothing else to add to that. Come back real soon, we'll all be on the edge of our seats waiting.
Old Jul 21, 2002 | 01:15 PM
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Originally posted by MichaelAE


That shows no respect. If you have no respect you'll get no respect, so why bother posting? Several people have posted sites to read about aftermarket support of the Maxima and sites which have how-to's and deals on available modifications so I have nothing else to add to that. Come back real soon, we'll all be on the edge of our seats waiting.
Old Jul 22, 2002 | 01:12 PM
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Do some research before you post crap seemingly intended to spur defensive responses. You started out close to civil but comments like:

"hopefully that will inspire you all do some real work on your cars."

That shows no respect. If you have no respect you'll get no respect, so why bother posting? Several people have posted sites to read about aftermarket support of the Maxima and sites which have how-to's and deals on available modifications so I have nothing else to add to that. Come back real soon, we'll all be on the edge of our seats waiting.
Sorry, but trashing the Lincoln shows no respect either... not from you though. Understand that I am coming from fordvschevy.com and pretty much nobody has respect for japanese cars. All I meant was that it would be nice to have real performance mods for the maxima and not just intakes and crap like that. I understand that you cant just go out and buy a better engine block and heads and intakes like you could for a V8, and its too bad.
Old Jul 22, 2002 | 01:48 PM
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Sorry, but trashing the Lincoln shows no respect either... not from you though. Understand that I am coming from fordvschevy.com and pretty much nobody has respect for japanese cars. All I meant was that it would be nice to have real performance mods for the maxima and not just intakes and crap like that. I understand that you cant just go out and buy a better engine block and heads and intakes like you could for a V8, and its too bad.
i can understand that some ppls don't have respect for Japanese vehicles, or anything not "home grown" in the US. it just bewilders the bejeezus out of me when they watch their Sony t.v., get on their Nokia, drive their M3s, get their furniture from Ikea....etc. nothing wrong with V8s, more power to you. what comes around goes around......pc
Old Jul 22, 2002 | 01:48 PM
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They don't respect ANY japanese cars? Not even Skylines, Supras and Rx-7s? I had a chevy v8 truck that lasted a LONG time before my current car and I respect many different American cars. There's no way I'd mess with Z28s, SSs, Trans Ams, Corvettes, Cobra's and cars like that. But I don't understand how you can just have no respect for all japanese cars. Where I live there are hardly any import ricers at all. In fact, there are TONS of domestic ricers instead. I see v6 mustangs, unmodded 5.0s, v6 chevy's and v6 pontiacs driven by 17 year olds with lots of stickers who think they are fast. NONE of those cars scare me at all. I can't even take my car to a muffler shop around here without getting some slack. People need to grow up.

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Sorry, but trashing the Lincoln shows no respect either... not from you though. Understand that I am coming from fordvschevy.com and pretty much nobody has respect for japanese cars. All I meant was that it would be nice to have real performance mods for the maxima and not just intakes and crap like that. I understand that you cant just go out and buy a better engine block and heads and intakes like you could for a V8, and its too bad.
Old Jul 22, 2002 | 01:51 PM
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Originally posted by halofourteen67
Sorry, but trashing the Lincoln shows no respect either... not from you though. Understand that I am coming from fordvschevy.com and pretty much nobody has respect for japanese cars. All I meant was that it would be nice to have real performance mods for the maxima and not just intakes and crap like that. I understand that you cant just go out and buy a better engine block and heads and intakes like you could for a V8, and its too bad.
Well, there are superchargers, turbos, headers, entire exhaust rebuilds, valvebody recalibrations, differentials, camshafts, full suspension enhancments/subframe support, etc., etc. for various generations of Maximas along with other imports. I'm not really sure what a "real" modification is to you other than just replacing the engine block (which isn't really a performance mod...it is a whole new engine, not a mod). What sort of mod are you looking for, other than replacing the block? Plus, if a CAI will get you 10hp, why isn't it a real modification? Is there a minimum increase in power to qualify?

I've driven a '66 Cuda (318) and a '81 Caprice Coupe (305) (not a Ford guy, sorry) and know what it is like to come from a fordvschevy.com world and a Mopar world...but having no respect for Japanese and/or German cars is just as ridiculous as thinking there are no "real" performance modifications for them. Particularly when imports are doing serious damage to domestics these days on the track.

No hard feelings, but there are many members of the import world who were or still are in the domestic performance world as well, like me, and the whole "imports suck" or "rice sucks" thing is just either ignorance or jealousy. I'm not saying you're part of that, but it is what it is.

Cars are cars and a 1/4 mile is a 1/4 mile. If mine's faster than yours or yours is faster than mine, who gives a damn what company owns the trademark.

Oh, and welcome to the Org.
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Well, there are superchargers, turbos, headers, entire exhaust rebuilds, valvebody recalibrations, differentials, camshafts, full suspension enhancments/subframe support, etc., etc. for various generations of Maximas along with other imports. I'm not really sure what a "real" modification is to you other than just replacing the engine block (which isn't really a performance mod...it is a whole new engine, not a mod). What sort of mod are you looking for, other than replacing the block? Plus, if a CAI will get you 10hp, why isn't it a real modification? Is there a minimum increase in power to qualify?

I've driven a '66 Cuda (318) and a '81 Caprice Coupe (305) (not a Ford guy, sorry) and know what it is like to come from a fordvschevy.com world and a Mopar world...but having no respect for Japanese and/or German cars is just as ridiculous as thinking there are no "real" performance modifications for them. Particularly when imports are doing serious damage to domestics these days on the track.

No hard feelings, but there are many members of the import world who were or still are in the domestic performance world as well, like me, and the whole "imports suck" or "rice sucks" thing is just either ignorance or jealousy. I'm not saying you're part of that, but it is what it is.

Cars are cars and a 1/4 mile is a 1/4 mile. If mine's faster than yours or yours is faster than mine, who gives a damn what company owns the trademark.

Oh, and welcome to the Org.
Wow, very well said
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Originally posted by MichaelAE

Well, there are superchargers, turbos, headers, entire exhaust rebuilds, valvebody recalibrations, differentials, camshafts, full suspension enhancments/subframe support, etc., etc. for various generations of Maximas along with other imports. I'm not really sure what a "real" modification is to you other than just replacing the engine block (which isn't really a performance mod...it is a whole new engine, not a mod). What sort of mod are you looking for, other than replacing the block? Plus, if a CAI will get you 10hp, why isn't it a real modification? Is there a minimum increase in power to qualify?

I've driven a '66 Cuda (318) and a '81 Caprice Coupe (305) (not a Ford guy, sorry) and know what it is like to come from a fordvschevy.com world and a Mopar world...but having no respect for Japanese and/or German cars is just as ridiculous as thinking there are no "real" performance modifications for them. Particularly when imports are doing serious damage to domestics these days on the track.

No hard feelings, but there are many members of the import world who were or still are in the domestic performance world as well, like me, and the whole "imports suck" or "rice sucks" thing is just either ignorance or jealousy. I'm not saying you're part of that, but it is what it is.

Cars are cars and a 1/4 mile is a 1/4 mile. If mine's faster than yours or yours is faster than mine, who gives a damn what company owns the trademark.

Oh, and welcome to the Org.
Thats a little too deep man... damn I'm just telling you how most people feel that I hang out with. I have no hate for foreign cars, I just dont like riced out ones. Also, it ****es me off as much as anybody to see a v6 stang cruising around with neon underlights. I just can't why it ****es YOU off that I'm upset about there being a lack of mods for the maxima and asking for information. I truely am uninformed... thats the whole reason I joined your forum, and if someone's not entitled to an opinion about a type of car then **** it...
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Originally posted by halofourteen67


Thats a little too deep man... damn I'm just telling you how most people feel that I hang out with. I have no hate for foreign cars, I just dont like riced out ones. Also, it ****es me off as much as anybody to see a v6 stang cruising around with neon underlights. I just can't why it ****es YOU off that I'm upset about there being a lack of mods for the maxima and asking for information. I truely am uninformed... thats the whole reason I joined your forum, and if someone's not entitled to an opinion about a type of car then **** it...
I'm sure there are a lot of members here that would enjoy showing you what their lack of mods can do. Then maybe there would be some respect.
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Originally posted by halofourteen67

I'm upset about there being a lack of mods for the maxima and asking for information.
It wouldn't hurt to read what people are saying to you or search :
Originally posted by MichaelAE

Well, there are superchargers, turbos, headers, entire exhaust rebuilds, valvebody recalibrations, differentials, camshafts, full suspension enhancments/subframe support, etc., etc. for various generations of Maximas
Originally posted by K Pazzo 6

check out www.stillen.com ; www.eatricezone.com ; www.cattman.com ; www.custommaxima.com ; www.avalonracing.net --ok
If blower or a turbo,full exhaust is not a "real" mod for you - what is ?
Some things like cams or ECUs for later models are still missing but some are in development and some provide no measurable gains (Like headers).
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I'm sure there are a lot of members here that would enjoy showing you what their lack of mods can do. Then maybe there would be some respect.


When did I ever say I didn't respect Maximas... I DRIVE ONE EVERY OTHER DAY FOR GOD SAKES!!! you people obviously have a big ****ing problem.
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Originally posted by halofourteen67
I've been hearing crap about Nismo making parts availiable in the states soon or something like that so hopefully that will inspire you all do some real work on your cars.


I think it was this statement that pi$$ed people off. Some people here are inspired and are really into fixing up their rides. Stick around long enough and learn about what's out there for the Max. You shouldn't judge it so quickly..
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Originally posted by halofourteen67
Thats a little too deep man... damn I'm just telling you how most people feel that I hang out with. I have no hate for foreign cars, I just dont like riced out ones. Also, it ****es me off as much as anybody to see a v6 stang cruising around with neon underlights. I just can't why it ****es YOU off that I'm upset about there being a lack of mods for the maxima and asking for information. I truely am uninformed... thats the whole reason I joined your forum, and if someone's not entitled to an opinion about a type of car then **** it...
I'm a deep guy...minored in Philosophy in school.

On the topic at hand...I wasn't directing the comment at you per se, just commenting on what you said, when you said...

Understand that I am coming from fordvschevy.com and pretty much nobody has respect for japanese cars.
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All I meant was that it would be nice to have real performance mods for the maxima and not just intakes and crap like that.
My response was meant to suggest that having no respect for japanese cars suggests ignorance or jealousy and that there are "real" modifications for the Maxima. The whole respect the import thing wasn't directed at you, I'm not accusing you of anything.
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I'm not trying to beat a dead horse here, but...

What is it that you consider a "real" performance mod? What are you looking for?
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Originally posted by halofourteen67


Thats a little too deep man... damn I'm just telling you how most people feel that I hang out with. I have no hate for foreign cars, I just dont like riced out ones. Also, it ****es me off as much as anybody to see a v6 stang cruising around with neon underlights. I just can't why it ****es YOU off that I'm upset about there being a lack of mods for the maxima and asking for information. I truely am uninformed... thats the whole reason I joined your forum, and if someone's not entitled to an opinion about a type of car then **** it...
Well one thing you have to consider is that the Maxima is a sedan and the percentage of sedan owners that modify their car is alot smaller than the percentage of muscle car owners that modify their cars. Also the 2002 Maxima has an entirely new engine (well mostly) so that means that any engine mods are gonna have to be brand new. But consider this, the new engine is used in at least five different Nissan/Infiniti vehicles, so the mods will be there, its just that they are trickling in. For example, the previous 3.0L has intakes, Y-pipe, variable intake manifolds, pulleys, nitrous kits, cat back exhausts, valve body calibrations for the trannys, and some incredible superchargers. Us 2002 guys right now have intakes, pulleys, and mufflers (and nitrous) as our only mods. That will change since the G35 and new 350Z use the same engine. Kinda like how when the old bodystyle Impala SS came out, parts were already available since they were used in other cars (Camaro).
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first off newbie use thesearch link(trust me, it works on 90% of all questions)....second off who cares what your friends, internet buddies, or fukk buddies think about jap cars...dont bring it in here unless you looking for a remark back
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Well one thing you have to consider is that the Maxima is a sedan and the percentage of sedan owners that modify their car is alot smaller than the percentage of muscle car owners that modify their cars. Also the 2002 Maxima has an entirely new engine (well mostly) so that means that any engine mods are gonna have to be brand new. But consider this, the new engine is used in at least five different Nissan/Infiniti vehicles, so the mods will be there, its just that they are trickling in. For example, the previous 3.0L has intakes, Y-pipe, variable intake manifolds, pulleys, nitrous kits, cat back exhausts, valve body calibrations for the trannys, and some incredible superchargers. Us 2002 guys right now have intakes, pulleys, and mufflers (and nitrous) as our only mods. That will change since the G35 and new 350Z use the same engine. Kinda like how when the old bodystyle Impala SS came out, parts were already available since they were used in other cars (Camaro).
Thanks for putting it in perspective for me. I realize that it was an insult to suggest that you guys haven't done real work on your cars, just not the kind of stuff I am used to.
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Originally posted by K Pazzo 6


first off newbie use thesearch link(trust me, it works on 90% of all questions)....second off who cares what your friends, internet buddies, or fukk buddies think about jap cars...dont bring it in here unless you looking for a remark back
Oh yeah, BTW, F U C K you... I apologized, and you are the one trying to start up **** with your biased attitude. I dont want to hear it from someone who can't have an intelligent conversation...
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Re: I'm not trying to beat a dead horse here, but...

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What is it that you consider a "real" performance mod? What are you looking for?
Well obviously you listed things that I had no idea existed for a Maxima, and that was my whole objective of starting this thread. You have to admit that it would be great to have a magazine devoted to the maxima the you could open up and find pages of parts available like you could if you owned a Mustang or Camaro... but then again thats the whole reason I like my Lincoln and Maximas... because they are unique, and you dont pass ten of them on the way to work every day.
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Re: Re: I'm not trying to beat a dead horse here, but...

Originally posted by halofourteen67


Well obviously you listed things that I had no idea existed for a Maxima, and that was my whole objective of starting this thread. You have to admit that it would be great to have a magazine devoted to the maxima the you could open up and find pages of parts available like you could if you owned a Mustang or Camaro... but then again thats the whole reason I like my Lincoln and Maximas... because they are unique, and you dont pass ten of them on the way to work every day.
No problem. One thing though, watch the language and flames. This is a community of car enthusiasts, not angry high schoolers. The mods around here do NOT put up with that stuff. I realize 'he' or 'she' may have 'started' it, but be the better man and walk on. If it really bothers you that much, you can click on 'report post to moderator' and they'll deal with it.

Now back to your fundamental question.....what mods exist for the Maxima. Start off with these sites
www.stillen.com
www.jimwolftechnology.com
www.frankencar.com
www.maximaproducts.com
www.warpspeedperformance.com
www.cattman.com

There are others that I cant think of right now. Also, do a search (top right hand corner of the page) on ther terms 'intake', 'Y-pipe', 'exhaust', 'pulleys', 'cams', 'supercharger', 'sway bars', 'strut bars', 'springs', and 'shocks'. I PROMISE you will find ALOT of archived and informative threads on each. If you still yearn for some more basic info feel free to PM me. Oh yeah, take a look in the 'dyno chart' forum to see how much power our cars put to the wheels with certain mods. Just remember 2002 has a different engine than 2000-2001. After all that, read the FAQ sticky at the top of the page. Once you've done that, and have a thorough knowledge of the Maxima, ask away....but try to be specific.

The Maxima is a good car and you'll find ALOT of repeat buyers of the car on this board. Its also a tight knit community that is full of helpful people, you just have to get a basic grasp on the info to understand.

As for the Maxima magazine idea, give Stillen a call and have them send you there parts catalog. It lists all thier parts for various Nissans (Sentra, Altima, Maxima, 300Z, 240Z, I30, Q45, etc). While not as comprehensive of a selection as you would have with a Mustang, its pretty good nonetheless.
Old Jul 23, 2002 | 07:57 AM
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Re: Re: I'm not trying to beat a dead horse here, but...

Originally posted by halofourteen67
Well obviously you listed things that I had no idea existed for a Maxima, and that was my whole objective of starting this thread. You have to admit that it would be great to have a magazine devoted to the maxima the you could open up and find pages of parts available like you could if you owned a Mustang or Camaro... but then again thats the whole reason I like my Lincoln and Maximas... because they are unique, and you dont pass ten of them on the way to work every day.
If you aren't passing at least ten of them on the way to work, then you need more mods. I know what you're saying.

I agree...I'd love to have a Magazine dedicated to the Maxima. This site is getting to be a pretty large group though. Almost 14,000 members. Not bad for a group of family car enthusiasts.
Old Jul 23, 2002 | 08:19 AM
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Re: Re: I'm not trying to beat a dead horse here, but...

Originally posted by halofourteen67


they are unique, and you dont pass ten of them on the way to work every day.

actually.....I easily see over 10 different Maxima's EVERY DAY.
Old Jul 23, 2002 | 10:54 AM
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Re: Re: Re: I'm not trying to beat a dead horse here, but...

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actually.....I easily see over 10 different Maxima's EVERY DAY.
I think he was talking about Linclone Mark VII's
Old Jul 23, 2002 | 11:05 AM
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Re: Re: Re: Re: I'm not trying to beat a dead horse here, but...

Originally posted by Maxima06071
I think he was talking about Linclone Mark VII's
I think he was referring to both Mark VII's and Maxima's, which is why he probably said:
but then again thats the whole reason I like my Lincoln and Maximas... because they are unique, and you dont pass ten of them on the way to work every day.
Old Jul 23, 2002 | 12:56 PM
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Hey halofourteen.....

I have driven 5 Mark VIIs (4 LSCs, 1 Regular) and know what those cars are capable of with a few go-fast goodies from the Mustang Parts bin considering they share the same Fox (Fairmont) chassis and drivetrain as the Mustang. Even stock, an LSC is a pretty strong runner. I have driven an 2 '85s, 87, 89, and a '92.

Nowadays, those cars are getting to be muscle cars because of the fact they share so much with the Mustang. The only difficult thing about them is the air suspension. If I recall correctly, even Roush had problems tweaking it.
Old Jul 23, 2002 | 02:33 PM
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: I'm not trying to beat a dead horse here, but...

Originally posted by MichaelAE
I think he was referring to both Mark VII's and Maxima's, which is why he probably said:
Opps my bad
Old Jul 23, 2002 | 02:58 PM
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Originally posted by halofourteen67


Oh yeah, BTW, F U C K you... I apologized, and you are the one trying to start up **** with your biased attitude. I dont want to hear it from someone who can't have an intelligent conversation...
oh yeah real biased...why dont u sit back & read from the beginning what you were typing & then also think of the fact that you are in a maxima forum typing it...thank you dip$hit
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