well, read it in last week's autoweek, the v6 3.0 accord will have 240hp??!!!! I guess we will be racing at every stop light from now on. And i thought the TLs are everywhere, wait until they pump out these accords!!

 

Hurry delete this thread!
this has been discussed to death and ended in a flame war!
until it was locked and abruptly slid down the list in to the enternal darkness!
Hurry there's not much time!
you have the power to make it stop!
please stop the madness!
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
Jeff Catt

 

Oh, Oh, my BS-o-meter just broke!

Who cares about what mags say.

Settle it on the track and run what you brung.

 

Too bad the Accord looks hideous, IMO.

GC

 

this is OT
u have dark color max with white OZ rims, right?





I remember I saw one in the Fremont Lion plaza with a kompressor tag on the back. was that u?

 

Dude that car sounds bad a$$!
I gotta get me a Kompressor emblem .

 

Something tells me that the Accord V6 will get aftermarket support with no problem. And we are still azz out?

 

Actually the 4cyl model has way more aftermarket support, the V6's are pretty much in the same boat that were currently reside.
Sure they get cool V-Tech stickers and such, But we're men we can get trough it!

 

I think Max support is growing. Bunch of companies I talk to never realize how many people are interested in modding Maximas. I hope more companies continue to make parts for us!

 

yep that was me, but i was only up there for 2 weeks. Damn u guys are really out there!!=)

 

True. However, the V6 will catch the 4cyl in aftermarket support within a couple of years. There's already a supercharger (centrifugal) from Paxton (via Comptech) for the J-series Honda motors (Accord/CL/TL/MDX/Odyssee/Pilot) with a Roots-eaton style SC on the way from Jackson Racing. Not to mention, there's a pretty sizeable availability of pulleys, cam gears, cold air intakes, performance exhausts, and electronics for the V6 Accord

We're going to be hard pressed to beat any 7G Accord V6 or Acura TL with this setup (albeit a rare setup).

 

Isn't the 2k2 going to get a S/C in the near future from Stillen? It would be pretty sad if major aftermarket companies overlooked the fastest FWD car and more importantly, the Altima 3.5, G35 and 350Z because they all share basically the same engine! Also, i don't know about where you guys live, but now there's a TON of 3.5 Altimas over here, even more than new Accords (seems as though people are finally seeing the better side of Nissan).

 

we are everywhere, arent we?
I saw u drove by when I walked out Ranch 99. How are those OZ F1? I was thinking about gettting the superleggera.

 

They are the most beautiful wheels i ever bought and after 2 years it still looks new. The main thing it is WHITE, so it contrasts real well with the car. But its heavy as hell, i weighted it with tires once and i think it was 53-55ibds!! Get the superleggras, if u are more performance oriented.

 

As having owned a v6accord, up until last May and visitng Av6.com every day. The v6 Accord doesn't have that great of aftermarket support either. Everyone either had one of two now three intakes (AEM, Injen, and now Comptech), a few exhausts, and one header (comptech, but more on the way). Also for the dyno sheets I have seen for the comptect supercharger were very dissapointing, the one sheet I saw was 205 to the wheel. They have alot more cosmetic stuff for the car but lack performance parts like us. I for one like our aftermarket better, because it is more performance oriented, where alot of theirs is cosmetic.

 

The CL/TL drive so numb-ly, I cant even imagine how boring the accord is (I dont care how many hp they put in.)

Dont worry Max owners, we havent been surpassed yet. Even the Altima is dud if you ask me. (Not that anyone has, but I have driven a 3.5 5sp) Altima, Accord and Camry are designed for the masses. You can put as much power as you want in them. It doesnt make them as fulfilling as the Maxima (a niche car).

 

The real question now is..

Will Honda offer a manual with their V6 ? Chances are they wont as they wont want it to compete with the TL and CL manual V6's (Or so I imagine)

If they offer only an automatic, we manual Max owners have nothing to worry about.. Ive driven some of the V6 auto Accords and they are God slow to downshift.. Nice torque though..

My bet is we will still whIP their ***** .

 

the v6 coupe will be available in manual (6 speed i think), IIRC.

 

companies making products are growing, but now we have like 10 (guess or maybe I should say a lot)intakes for the 5th gen & zero ypipe for the 2k2 hehe

 

how you can tell? there's not much support for their V6 motors...

 

Dayum..if only the Accord had the "Nissan" and "Maxima" we'd love it.

btw, to those who say Honda will never be performance-minded, I recall such cars as the S2000, Acura NSX, Prelude, Integra Type R, and the RSX-S. Additionally, I don't remember Nissan making any motorcycles.

 

Whatever dude. Until Honda figures out what torque is, they can blow me.

 

I wouldnt say Honda isnt performance minded. I would say they arguably have the best engines out there. They just dont have a mid-sized sport sedan that drives like a sport sedan, and not a family car. (Dont say TL, because it DOES NOT drive like a sport sedan. Accelerate like one, maybe...) But no one can argue with the Accord's success. Nissan should be so fortunate. (Perhaps with the Altima, they will.)

And the V-6 accord coupe will be offered with a 6 speed manual. I would be surprised ff they put it on the sedan.

And I will put my 5-speed 222hp Maxima up against the 5-speed 240hp Altima any day. The Altima just doesnt pull as hard off the line (at least the one I drove didnt.) I would suspect the same for the 6-speed accord. Not that I really care...

 

I don't want to start another one of those Maxima-versus-Altima threads, but Jimmy, you might do a search here and on Altimas.net for "2002 dyno chart." Do some careful reading and compare your results. What you'll find is that as a general rule, a stock '02 Maxima and stock '02 3.5 put down the same horsepower to the ground: 200 to 205 for the manual transmissions, 190 to 195 for the automatics, give or take two or three horsepower.

And if you'll do a search on "timeslip" on both forums, you'll also see nearly identical numbers and trap speeds: low- to mid-14s @ 95 to 98 mph for the manual trannies; high-14s to low-15s @ 92 to 95 mph for the automatics. What all this means is that if you think an '02 6-speed Maxima will hand you your rear, an '02 5-speed 3.5 will do so as well. In terms of acceleration, they're ***-for-tat. (What sap blocked out the word "t-i-t" in this context?)

Just FYI. I hate to see misinformed people spreading misinformation. As for the rest of your post, well, we all have our personal preferences. Diversity makes the world turn.

 

Because Civic Boyz swap the 4cyl accord engine into their cars then mod it because it gives them more to work with.
Accord (2.4ltr/4cyl= 150HP.
Civic(EX)= 115hp
Hmmm sounds nice if you can make it work and it's been done.
Don't forget Accord EX's have V-Tec!
You gotta have V-tec; it's god's gift to the automotive industry!

 

I ran a 3.5 SE Auto Altima in my 5spd Maxima, lets just say he saw my tail lights pretty damn well.

My Max ran stock 14.8 at 94.6mph, and I ran that Altima stock.

 

I never said I could outrun one. I am just saying they are in the same general league.
I have driven both. Every test I have seen puts the Altima in the mid 14s. I have tested my car 15.0. Not an overwhelming difference.

I am really not into numbers, or racing for that matter, I just meant that it didnt feel all that hard from a standing start.

I know what you mean by misinformed. My cousin owns an Alt SE 5sp, and he is under the impression anything shy of a Corvette is out of his league.

And as for my feelings on the TL, I am not the only person I know who thinks Honda should have put a little more road noise and bump into the cabin of something tagged Type S. Technology is great, dont get me wrong, but I still like to feel what's going on under me, even cruising on the expressway. The TL the Accord and the Altima dont do this.

Exactly why I love my Maxima!

 

I just thought of another reason why the altima maybe didnt feel as strong. I am used the fast action the maxima clutch has. The altima slips more towards the top of throw like other cars. I wasnt used to that.

 

Ah. My mistake then. I agree with you 100 percent. When you're talking about a half-second (or less) difference in the quarter-mile between the '00-'01 Maxima/'02 Altima 3.5/'02 Maxima (of the same transmission, of course), a hundred variables can affect the final result in a stoplight war, not the least of which is the driver.

Fortunately for Russ, no matter whether he's driving a Maxima, Accord CL-S or I assume even a Prada, his combination Ayrton-Senna-John-Force driving skills preclude him from falling behind any one-, two-, three-, or four-wheeled device ever produced by mankind. Impressive, no?

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I know what you mean by misinformed. My cousin owns an Alt SE 5sp, and he is under the impression anything shy of a Corvette is out of his league.

I assume you mean he's out there challenging LT1 Camaros every chance he gets. Yes, we do have more than our share of those. I take no responsibility for them. For more than a few folks, once you get that new car home -- whatever it is -- it becomes, as one of you kind folks coined the term, God's Chariot while all other vehicles on the road become piggish, slow and generally poor purchases. Not to pick on Russ, but buddy, ain't that truly the case?
This is an interesting observation, as 99 percent of the gadzillion Altima-Maxima threads included dissimilar comments. Maxima owners felt that the '02 Altima, to use your phrase, had a little too much "road noise and bump" in the cabin. They wanted a more refined ride, which I'll be the first to admit the Maxima provides over the sharply damped and poorly insulated 3.5. I've driven two '02 Maximas -- a GLE at the time I bought my 3.5, an SE for a week several months later when Nissan was yanking out my transmission for the dreaded '02 dying squirrel clutch replacement -- and both of them were substantially quieter and softer. Both offered very poor road feel IMO, although the steering was a marked improvement over the numb-feeling setup in my 3.5.

Maxima or Altima, Accord CL-S or plain-jane nonpremium-badged cooking Honda, none of these cars should be mistaken for BMWs in their suspension tuning. They're all quite disconnected in road feel; you never quite know what the front end is trying to communicate. I hear and read the G35 is much better, but I have yet to drive one. I can only hope Nissan has taken a lessons from the Germans on this; if so, the G may be my next car if Nissan sees fit to offer a manual transmission in the sedan. (I need four doors.)

Cheers,

 

5-spd 3.0L Maximas do not run 14.8 1/4 miles stock.

You do realize that every tenth of a second equals about a car length, right? So a 14.8 and 15.0 1/4 might not sound that dramatic a difference, but it is.

Take your car to the track sometime, it might put things in perspective for you.

 

Umm yes they do. I ran 14.8 at 94.6 mph with a 2.36xx 60ft. Look at my sig. Several others have. Obviously you are stupid enough not to believe that.

Then how does a 4th gen 190hp 3.0L run high 14s too? Geeeee.....

My time slip was posted, and a video of me running a while back.

You must be a newbie.

Also, to the comment that I can't beat Altimas, I have and did. It was a auto, and that is why I beat it. The autos do not trap like a 5spd and do not pull like a 5spd Maxima would. Everyone here knows that.


***EDIT****

Also, the only part my car has better is the highway. The CL-S that is. I ran at the track this weekend 4 times and was not impressed.

Yes I ran it, and pushed it as hard as I could, if I floored it I spun, so I had to lightly into the throttle.

Here was my time each run I hit a 15.3 at 92 mph consistant. I was getting 2.45x 60s though, but I wasn't impressed. It was 85 degrees, and 100% humidty.

Now I wish I had my max again.

 

Hey Russ, get some Prozac.

You had a freak car. 3.0's run mid to low 15's stock.

 

yeah, uh-huh...

 

Since they're doing just fine with SOHC and no tq, why bother?

 

Here we go again!

 

Please post this on the acura board as well!

 

What did your car run stock? Post up the video and timeslip.

 

hush!

 

well what did your car run stock? Post up any proof that you have ever run at the track

 

The most important thing to me is feedback. I can deal with a sharp or subdued ride. But the steering and brakes cant be mushy. And the throttle has to be fairly linear. These are my biggest complaints with the TL and probably the only reason I wouldnt buy one.

It is supposed to. My only questions is if the 6sp 4-dr will have the 2dr's 280-something hp.


One other thought I wanted to leave. I would bet you could take 2 identical 5-speed maximas. Same driver, same weight, same gas, same pavement, etc. One might run 15.0 and the other might run 15.7. Production variances.