Maybe it's too late for me to be reading with an open mind, but this post was kind of out there. My wife's SE ATX is running faster than a lot of 6 Spds and I don't know any 99-02 GT 5 Spds running in the 13's stock...The car club I am in has 3 99 Cobra owners in it and all 3 of their cars with the Recall fix for HP are running 13.7, 13.8 and 14.4 (Convertible)in the 1/4 mi. So with over 300 HP compared to 260 HP in the current GT, and more torque to boot it doesn't add up at all to a current GT running 13's stock.

 

I love this guy...lol...time for bed. Nice improvement path btw...high 14's to the land of the Gods in a short amount of time...

 

You're an idiot, you have no idea what you're talking about, in either of your posts for that matter. I used to be a technician at a ford dealership, and I belong to a carclub that is almost all camaros and mustangs. I have driven countless 99+ GT mustangs. I have seen more than a few go 13s stock, and mid 13s with slight mods like x-pipe, catback and intake. Your friends with the cobras you refer to just dont know how to drive, their cars should be faster than that. I'm sorry to inform you here, maybe that mustang owner will jump back in... but a 2K2 6 spd max will not beat a 99+ 5 speed GT, assuming that both are equally driven. It wont beat it in the quarter or at higher speeds. I think a 2K2 max would easily beat an auto GT though.

Andy

 

The longer the race goes, the more advantage the 2k2 max has.

 

Andy,

I'll keep this short and sweet...No mustang GT on planet Earth...got that so far (I know you were a Ford Mechanic)...from 1991 through right now will go over 139 MPH top speed. My post, that you ripped on in quotes, stated it would be a good race in the 1/4 mile, but after that the Maxima SE(which every 5 spd from almost 10 years ago through every 6 spd on the planet now)will blow right by you and your (They must only weigh 80 lbs each and be the best drivers in the world b/c they can break into the 13's with a stock 99+ GT) Friends if you are driving a Mustang GT. Top Speed takes no skill and the Mustang's Intake is not made for Top end like the Maxima and Taurus SHO (All 3 Gens go over 140 MPH and that's still after Ford had to have Yamaha detune the GEN I and II motors down from 300 HP at the Crank)...if you were a real Ford Mechanic, you would know all the subtle changes Ford made on the Mustang starting with Mass Air on the CA models only in 1988 up to the piston changes that warranted a 205 HP rating on the 93 GTs...No where did I say a Maxima will Kill a Mustang all over the place except on the Top End and to reiterate...that's a Fact.

 

Dude, buy a clue, pick up a Muscle Mustangs magazine, and see what the 99+ GT's are running stock. MMFF got 13.76@101 out of theirs, with 11 miles on it. And your Cobra buddies can't drive, I have a friend with a 99 Cobra vert, with a GT rear, 4.30's and an x-pipe. He ran 12.50@108 last winter, it can be found here- www.azmustangs.com There are some videos of it pulling a wheel at the track, as well as some footage of my car

 

What were the older body shape Mustang 5.0 GTs running in 1/4. When I say older body shape, I mean that really boxy one.
The one I raced was modded a little bit, it defintly had exhaust.

I pulled on him very easily it wasn't even a contest.

I still think that on the roll I can easily beat new GTs as well in my 2002 6-speed.
In my 2000 SE 5-speed I raced this new GT a while back on the roll and I was on his rear bumper all the way. I didn't beat him, but he didn't pull on me either.

With 2002 being that much faster, I think GTs are no problem.
I know they can be easily modded and stuff, but that is another story.

I still love that look that guy in that GT 5.0 made after I passed him and he heard the roar of FrankenCar intake

 

This is the one that I don't understand!! I had a 00'GT, now I have a 00' 5spd SE and they is no way that the SE is stronger at any point compared to my GT! Stock GT's are running 99+mph and still pulling at the top end, if your SE pulls on the GT from 60-100 that means you would most likely have a mph similar to the GT but you don't. Believe me, I love my Max, but it doesn't hold a candle to the GT as far as performance goes!!

 

You get em' Justin!! Us Stang/Ex Stang owners need to stick together

 

Hey Dave, how is the stang running with the prochamber? Did you put the new rear in yet?

 

"Dude" you get a clue. I cancelled my subscription to MM&FF's last year...I still get 5.0 and I have spoken to Evan Smith before and I know plenty of people via CE Racing that race with those guys down in NJ so don't quote MM&FF or I'll quote MT, C&D and R&T which make your numbers look just a ridiculous. Try talking real world with real cars...no gears, no intake taken out, no weight reduction, no short belt, no timing increased, no exhaust mods...Be real. This post is not about Mustangs being able to be modded...I don't dispute that. You show me stock footage of a 99 (non car magazine) Mustang GT running quicker than 14.0-14.1 at 99 MPH and I will say how impressed I am, but otherwise get off my back.

And to all those who post comments like us stang guys have to stick together, etc...look at my Tag Line. I have a Mustang...I never gave up on it...I am racing it this Sunday in an Autocross...I love it...I drag race it...I was under the hood till 10:30 last night reinstalling some cables for the trunk mounted battery and naturally aspirated with over 110,000 miles on the motor it puts as much HP to the rear wheels as a New Corvette so think before you post.

I love Mustangs...I love Maximas...I don't like Forums where people think their car is the fastest thing on the planet and no one can ever lose a race or be told they can't do something. Grow up...the Mustang is a great car for the price, but it's no supercar.

 

If the guy had an exhaust on his car, he probably can't hear your frankencar intake, I have one on my max, and while is sounds loud in such a quiet car, I could not hear it at all when I had my friend race me with it when I was in my 89 GT (exhuast amount other things). The look was just from the shock. Those years with automatics were pretty slow. 15+ 1/4 mile times stock.

--ray

 

I have no idea how it happened. We tried it 3 times. I told him to try it starting out in 3rd as well as 4th. It is very possible he was not taking the rpms up as high as he should have, and I was shifting at redline. In all fairness, he had just gotten the car and probably was not as familiar with the shift points and such as I was with my car. There are so many variables with a manual tranny. Driver makes all the difference.

--Ray

 

You just dont get it. I know more about the changes to mustangs, and a hell of whole lot more about yamaha SHO motors than you, get over it. There are many 99+ GTs in my carclub that match my Z28 very well, bolt on for bolt on. They dont make near the power, but they are geared very well and much lighter than my car. The max might start to pull up real high speeds, over 120 MAYBE, but under that you arent going to win, get over it!

 

Nothing for me to get over...I owned and modded SHOs before there was a national SHO Club...my best friend is the Current President of the Northeast SHO Club that I have been in since its inception...I doubt you know more about the SHO motor b/c it was us drivers that, after doing all the mods, taught the mechanics what worked and what didn't. There were a few Mechanics in all of the Northeast that actually went to any kind of class on the SHO...go to a SHO Forum and bring up service at a Ford dealership and they will verify that.

As for the Mustang, I have owned one for just over 10 years...I have done every thing you can to it...suspension to motor...you name it. I think I know my Mustangs. I only talked about STOCK Mustang GTs vs. Stock Maxima SEs...never brought up mods like you did...after you begin to mod a Mustang it's a whole new ball game.

I agree with you 100% about what you said up to 120 mph or so, but you also agreed with me about the top end pasing abilities of the Maxima. I always said the 1/4 mi would come down to driver skill and I have beatin numerous Mustangs with both my old SHO and My current 02 SE due in large part to the Mustang not doing everything perfect from launch to 1320'. I learned long ago that no matter if it were my SHO, Mustang, or what ever I drive now...I can't beat every car out there and there are some cars I just can't beat every time. You need to realize a blanket statement saying you can beat an 02 SE in the 1/4 mi every time (Stock GT to Stock SE) is immposible to live up to.

 

Well that is the problem! If you raced from 60 he should not be starting in 3rd much less 4th. It sounds like he really doesn't know how to drive, which is probably the reason you "beat" him.

"Driver makes all the difference" doesn't mean your car is faster like we are all discussing.

Bosssho,

I ran 14.2 at 98mph with nothing done to my 00' GT, and 14.0 at 100.5 with x-pipe and cone filter.

 

2000 SE,

Thanks for the support and you ran what I consider damn good times for both the stock setup and the Xpipe/Cone Filter...right in line with the times and mph I have been mentioning.

 

Yeah Justin, the prochamber and rear are in, I'm doing 3.73's next weekend. And Bossho is a know it all in denial, who will never think that the new Modular cars are faster stock for stock than the "Mighty" 5.0. I know of several in my state that ran 14.0's 13.8's right off the showroof floor. In fact one of the guys in my car club ran 13.59@100 in a STOCK!! 2000 GT with just slicks, unless you consider a pro 5.0 shifter a mod

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by 5.0THIS
[B]

You just dont get it.

Dear Troll, I mean Andy....
You being an Ex- FORD machanic would know that there are more recalls and problems for your vehicle than for the '87 Yugo. I love it how everytime someone posts a thread on how they smoked a GT, it comes down to an arguement about paper facts. Yes, the mustang has more torque. Yes, the Mustang has 5 more HP than the 3.5ltr. Big Deal! If you are a crappy driver driving a fast car, your going to get smoked. You're just pi$$ed off that you spent $30k + on a car that's getting smoked by less expensive import. Ford, over the last 10 years, has lost its market share to faster, more reliable, cars. The only thing going for Ford now is that Chevy decided to discontinue the Camaro. And before you jump in a say that you can get a mustang down to 12 seconds...blah blah blah... who cares? Throw a bunch of mods on a gremlin or a old chevy stationwasgon and you'll get it up to speed.
My point is... everything about which car is faster on paper.... which car has more HP. Which car..what ever is pointless. The thread started by a Maxima smoking a GT. That's it. Roll the dice next time and see who wins. It's too bad at my local track, they line up the domestic v8 seperately from the other cars. I'd love to have mpegs of Maximas smoking 5.0's and newer GTs. And I'm sure there would be mpegs of maxima's getting smoked too.

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by smokedford
[B]30K dollars???? My GT was only 23k not 30+!! Wait a minute before you start bagging on Ford. I respect Ford for having the B@LLS to drop the traditional 5.0 302, and swing their technology towards tuning and building a smaller 281 cubic inch modular V8. Last time I checked, the new Cobra has 390hp out of this 281ci. Chevy is still holding on to the good ole' barn built 5.7 V8. So I don't know where you are going with the "only thing Ford has going for it" statement!!!

 

there is a red stang that I see all the time in cutler ridge that has a chrome horse as a hood ornament

damn thing is about 5 inches tall

next time I see him and have my digicam I will take a pic

I always laugh when i see that car

 

This is my last post to this ever worsening thread due to Mustang driver denial. If you don't consider a completely diferent Shifting Mechanism like a Pro 5.0 a mod you are nuts...I think you did count the slicks as a mod so there's no problem there. The argument between you and I and the other 5.0 guy is simply this...can a stock (That means nothing is allowed to be done and like you said it's driven off the showroom floor) 99-03 GT run quicker than a 14.0 in the 1/4 mi. That's it. I have never seen it done, nor have I ever read it. If you know someone who has, great, but it's not official until it's printed somewhere.

The modular motor you claim I am in denial about is just foolish...I have no problem with it at all, nor did I ever say I did, but apples to apples the 96-98 Mustang GT's are dogs compared to the 87-93 GTs with the same power rating...the torque was the big difference. As far as the 99-03 GTs go, as I have beatin with a stick, they are great bang for the buck cars, but there is no way, at least as I have experienced, that they are wiping the street up with, as well as the track, against the 02-03 Maxima SE. Period.

 

Well stay away from AZ and TX then, cause there are a ton of 96+ Stangs that will stomp a mudhole in your a$$. Speaking of poor driving, what's with that 13.2@107?? And WTF is an ATX???

 

good kill

 

30K dollars???? My GT was only 23k not 30+!! Wait a minute before you start bagging on Ford. I respect Ford for having the B@LLS to drop the traditional 5.0 302, and swing their technology towards tuning and building a smaller 281 cubic inch modular V8. Last time I checked, the new Cobra has 390hp out of this 281ci. Chevy is still holding on to the good ole' barn built 5.7 V8. So I don't know where you are going with the "only thing Ford has going for it" statement!!! [/B][/QUOTE]

I have never been impressed with anything from Ford. My parent's crown victoria/Grand Marqueis was recalled for brakes and the exhaust. Ford trucks still have recalls for ignition switches (89 f150) and brake heat shields (99 f350). And who can for get about the settlement for their horrible paint jobs.
When my wife an I were shopping for a new car, we looked at the s80, a used 540, the camery, the passad, and the impalla. We bought the maxima for lots of reasons. (She didn't want to fork out the $$ for the 540. ) Going through the consumer reports magazines, we didn't even consider Ford. They all sucked compared to the other cars.
Maybe I'm biased. Maybe I have a passion to hate Fords. But that's my opinion.
As for dropping the 5.0 engine, that not the only thing they changed. The mustang looks more like a curvey-newer late 60's version. The 5.0's were ugly. Just as Ford is bringing back the thundturd, people will flock to by these cars for the history and the nostalgia.
In '99 my wife traded in her '96 z28 for her jeep. I cried. And I continue to cry now that the camaro is gone.

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by smokedford
[B]Hey *******, I dont own a mustang, in fact, I dont like them either. I own a camaro.. I worked on the stangs for long enough and have enough friends that own them to know how they perform. I agree that this will indeed be a close race, but being as how maximas are the best cars in the world , I dont think some owners can come to grips with losing to such as "unsophisticated, antiquated, low tech" car. And new GTs went for anywhere from 21K for a stripper model to over 27K for a fully loaded one, not the 30K you say. And you say less expensive import..... hmm, 21K for a GT, how much is a new 2002 6 spd SE (which is the only maxima that has a chance against a 99+ GT, stock vs stock)? A LOT MORE THAN 21K. WHen my friend was pricing them a modestly equipped one was going for over 27K Now in some markets they may go for less, but that's what they were going for around here. As far as maximas smoking old 5.0s and even 96-98 GTs, I dont doubt it. Most years werent all that fast, and arent much of a problem for even a fourth gen maxima.

Andy

 

I have never been impressed with anything from Ford. My parent's crown victoria/Grand Marqueis was recalled for brakes and the exhaust. Ford trucks still have recalls for ignition switches (89 f150) and brake heat shields (99 f350). And who can for get about the settlement for their horrible paint jobs.
When my wife an I were shopping for a new car, we looked at the s80, a used 540, the camery, the passad, and the impalla. We bought the maxima for lots of reasons. (She didn't want to fork out the $$ for the 540. ) Going through the consumer reports magazines, we didn't even consider Ford. They all sucked compared to the other cars.
Maybe I'm biased. Maybe I have a passion to hate Fords. But that's my opinion.
As for dropping the 5.0 engine, that not the only thing they changed. The mustang looks more like a curvey-newer late 60's version. The 5.0's were ugly. Just as Ford is bringing back the thundturd, people will flock to by these cars for the history and the nostalgia.
In '99 my wife traded in her '96 z28 for her jeep. I cried. And I continue to cry now that the camaro is gone. [/B][/QUOTE]

Me defense was only for the 99+ GTs performance. You dont know the half about Ford recalls, they are horrible about it ( I have changed more firestone tires than I care to remember). I will not defend ford for it's quality (in many cases it sucks) but they do seem to make decent quality trucks, and the stangs arent bad either. And BTW, I for the most part share your passion of hating fords, which is why I regularly give them a nice view of the taillights of my camaro

Andy

 

That car is still around there!! I moved over 5 years ago and I always say that car. Its got this huge horse standing on its hind legs, and its on the front of the hood.

 

Look whos talking about this...

http://www.bullittzero.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1435

Chris

 

Good post. All things equal.... The Mustang should usually prevail... sounds like the guy out drove him.

 

Post the video clip of SR20 TORCHING the LS1 Trans Am.. Its on Max world..

 

My '02 Maxima has been recalled 3 times. My '02 Maxima has gone through 3 (THREE!) Bose head units. My '02 Maxima has the WORST paint I have ever seen on a car I've owned. My '02 Maxima is developing a strange burning smell from the rear brakes... All this in 10 months and 13,000 miles

My 14-year-old 1988 FORD Mustang GT with 119,000 miles?? 2 recalls (that I can remember)and an alternator. Original paint is still pretty good with FEWER chips than my Maxima.

 

What is your reasoning for this? Please explain.

 

Wind Noise in rear
Sh!!ty Paint, lots of chips in front
Warped Rotors
Shaky hood on freeway
We all know about the POS MAF !
Rattling Bose

I have 11K miles. I like the car, but I never took my 89 LX to the dealer till 92 when I blew the tranny drag racing, which was MY FAULT due to a VB mod..

 

Lots of those here in Cali too. Visit SVTCREW.com ... They all run 12's and one is at 11.2 on NO SLICKS !

 

Whats all the arguement about? A 2k2 6 speed from a roll will beat a Stock 99+ GT. I have raced my friend(99 GT manual) in my 2k with y-pipe and intake from a 15 roll and we were dead even. Now I know from a standstill things would be a lot different, but this was from a roll.

Now if you throw a 3.77 gear in a GT, Intake, and Exhaust that will really wake up the GT. A lot of people on this board dont understand that a Maxima isnt a race car and that domestics like F-bodies and Stangs can be made real fast for cheap.

 

That would be a 3.73 gear...

 

Yep that would be correct A 4:10 or 4:30 would be even nicer, but top end would suffer and traction would become a problem.

 

I had 4.10 for a while. I was running BFG drag radials.. Now that I think about it, I had 235's on a 7 inch wide wheel. Hope the TIRE SPEC police doesnt turn me in ..

The 4.10's are awesome in 1/4 mile racing, but on the highway... you rev way to high and gas disappears way to fast ! ... The best overall ratio, as most Stang guys will tell you is 3.55, on 5 speed, and on auto's 3.73 .... I'm actually in search of an 85 Gt with low miles to start working on again. Might even get another 89 from some old lady ..

 

If you want a project....Find yourself a Miata and drop a 5.0 in it for the ultimate sleeper. They make a kit for the conversion that I believe I saw in Grassroots motorsports.