We planning to go and dyno his car. I want to see what numbers will 350Z produce. Maybe Maxima is close in power, especially in torque.

 

Doesn't your friend want to pass the break-in period first?

 

I guess.
I will make him drive more this weekend so he can put some miles on it.

 

See if he'll let you drive it too .

 

I've argued they will throw down 240HP on the dyno.

No one esle seems to agree with me.

Please prove me right...

 

Yeah they might. But I think torque will be similar to the 6-speed Maxima.

 

I'll post the dyno results here, I hope soopermax is right

 

Yeah, but I think I will still own you
I might dyno my car too, to see what I get.

 

You probably will... (If I sit one one of my hands and use the other to shift and steer at the same time...)

 

SCC already dynoed a 350Z. I think it was 243 HP on pump gas and 249 on 100-octane gas. I forget the exact torque but it was around 235ish. The Maxima is close in torque (maybe shy 10 or so) but nowhere near the HP. Best stock HP I've seen was like 215 on a 6-speed Maxima.

I'd expect your friend to get in the 240's for HP.

 

We're talking about this in another thread but....
If your friend has the 6-spd, can you ask him how he engages reverse??? I.E. is there a lock-out and if so, how does he disengage it???
We were looking at the pics of the shifter and there's no ring.

 

It's down and then right and back...
Kinda below 6th gear...

 

question....the Z is rated 287hp flywheel, if we go by nissan's 20% hp loss at the wheels, which is the case for the 2k2 maximas, then the Z should not get more than 230hp at the wheels, how can they produce 240+? why is the Z more effienct than 2k2 maxima?

 

Is break-in period all that serious? What would happen if he took it up to 6500rpms for a few times before breaking it in? I mean, peopel probably took it up to 6500rpm to shift when they test drove the car at the dealership, so if you bought a car with like 10 miles on it or so, chances are that they arleady drove it pretty hard....am i right or am i dead wrong?

 

The rating might not be accurate... plus, who said it's 20%? maybe it's a bit less... like 18 for example?

 

Theres allready been a few dynoes on www.my350z.com


As I guessed the Z only puts down 230 WHP and that was with a K&N panel filter. Another dyno showed 230 WHP too and 220 TQ..

Let's do a quick run down of the BS #'s..

Altima rated 240 HP, puts down 200 WHP on average(Altima is properly rated in HP)

Maxima rated at 260, ohh no wait that's right 255 now, lol.. Maxima puts down about 200 WHP on average(maxima overated).

Infiniti G35, rated at 260(nissan decided this should be the car to compete with the TL-S and then decided to drop the maxima #'s by 5) puts down 218 WHP in auto version, in stick it will put down the 230 just like the Z. This car is a little underated.

Nissan 350Z, rated at 287 HP and puts down 230 WHP, I say this is a maybe a little bit overated but not nearly as bad as the max.


Crazy!

 

Yeah, no kidding...but how do you engage it? On the 2k2/3 max, you have a ring that you pull up. I'm assuming that the Z would have some sort of safety thing to lock out 6th gear...maybe just the brake???

 

I posted this and got flamed. No one thought these were realistic numbers, and apparently they dyno'ed a 2k2 max at outrageous bogus numbers so not too many here trust them.

 

You know... I bought the car without test driving it - some dealers wouldn't even let you sit in the cars because most of them are already sold, let alone test drive

However, I'm sure it's not so terrible to rev it a couple of times while still in break-in. The idea is not to rape the engine for a few hundred miles while all the parts expand and settle in place...

 

When i say down, i mean down towards the ground, not towards the back seat. So unless your hand weighs like 50 lbs it would be hard to engage reverse by mistake...

 

Guess I was wrong... I really should have checked here before sticking my neck out thinking the Z was really going to put down 240hp.

 

So if 350Z putts down similar torque numbers as Maxima, when Maxima is underrated at 246 torque.


So emax you saying that 255hp for Maxima is overrated, but is underrated with torque numbers?

 

what backseat?

 

Oh yeah...

 

Ya dont get even get me started on the TQ ratings, lol. The maxima is definatly under-rated in the TQ compartment. We have about 260 crank TQ.

 

Ahhh...that makes sense, and that also sucks. I think VW's use that...ugh and it gets sloppy over time.

(Older VW's)

 

a RWD vehicle will generally have less drivetrain loss than a FWD vehicle, which is why the maxima puts down a little over 200 hp to the wheels and the z seems to be putting out 240-250hp to the wheels.

Most BMWs seem to have very low drivetrain loss....a 330 which has 225 crank horsepower puts out about 200-205hp , whichs is very low loss....

 

Actually the BMW 330's are underrated, they have a 3.0 liter engine that is rated at 225hp at the crank, but actually should be rated at 240hp at the crank like the previous M3's since they too had a very similar 3.0 liter engine. BMW under rates the engine for marketing reasons, they have to make sure their M engines make more HP than the regular ones. Why buy a 1999 M3 with 240 hp when you can get a 2000 330Ci that makes the same HP, hence they lowered the rating to 225HP instead of 240HP.

 

Actually FWD are more efficient than RWD configurations. As far as BMW goes, they just have really efficient transmissions. Their gearing is also pretty good.

 

 

I know a lot of you guys are addicted to Nissan. These things are easily "discussed" on the street. Also at a local track near you. All I know is that the new Cobra is running 12.8-12.9 stock, and with less than 1K in mods its pulling 12.5's or less.... I know a lot of you Import lovers will bash it. I would get one right now, and go on the " Z " Board and challenge anyone to a race......I have 2 friends that have them. I have driven both and they stick on the twisties like an M3 would... so throw that disclaimer out... I like the 350Z but for 36K, which is what the track edition costs.... I go with the Cobra,, and if you do buy the Z .. be ready to eat Cobra A$$ all day long..... believe me !

 

I agree with you Kloogy except for a few cases. Mainly mine.

I think I could easily put a 350Z in the 11's. For probably not alot more
money than it takes to put a Cobra in the 11's.

I have yet to find one single person who has bashed the new Cobra. To do so would be a severe rating on the ignorant scale. Most people are well aware of that car.

 

Bro.. I would never bash you....


I wish someone would give me either car... they both will have good aftermarket support.. just that the Cobra runs 12's stock !

 

What aftermarket support parts are there for 2k2 maxima besides some exhaust and intake which doesn't really give all that much gains.

 

He's talking about the 350Z, it will have good aftermarket support.

Kloogy, the problem with the Cobra is that it is a Ford. The Car and Driver writers (not like I care what they think) said the interior is the same as ever (crappy, uninspiring). Sure it's powerful and handles well (going with your word on that), but it's not a complete package.

 

I'll bash! Cobras get like 11mpg...
That aside they kick A$$!...except for the shiety cramped interiors with dull plasticly surfaces......and shibby gas mileage......and cramped interiors, wait I'm repeating my self. V8 vs V6.....

 

What kind of aftermarket support will there be for the 350Z? of course there will be exhaust and intake, but what else? what mod will give a good amount of hp? let's leave out the turbo and nos for now. is there anything else?

 

There will be nothing major for US of A. Everything has to come from Japan!

 

Try some searches and maybe read around the internet about the 350Z. Every company that made 300ZX aftermarket parts (everyone) will probably have parts for the 350Z.

The new Z screams for a body kit, new spoiler, etc.

 

Umm why would BMW want people to buy 1999 M3 rather than 2000 330? I think you're on the right track but missing something in the explanation. Hmm did they even make 330 in 2002?