I couldn't agree more. Once you move away from stock, you have to take responsibility should something go wrong. If you didn't like something about the car when you bought it, then maybe you shouldn't have bought it.

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by MiniRX7
Um,

I HAVE ZERO MODS ON MY CAR.. explain why my maxima is such a POS then? [/QUOTE

what is it about your car you dont like?

P.S. wazzup with advanced ignition?

 

He probably had the timing advanced a few degrees. On another note, I am tired of all the whinings I hear too. It's not a perfect car but what is? Hate the resale? Buy a one year old Maxima and you'll save a bundle! Hate the dealer service? Do your own maintenance and you'll learn to appreciate your car more! The point is, try to make the best of every situation. If I were one of the very few people with serious mechanical problems that were not due to driver abuse, I would just trade the car rather than let a dealer poke here and there for weeks. Nissan makes a good product with the Maxima but you need to pick the Nissan dealers carefully. And if you start modding, you are on your own, period.

 

I'm not trying to flame owners who mod, but i will say IMHO i'm sure there is a strong correlation with problems on owners cars who mod.--before the ones who dont mod and still have lots of problems flame me......i'm sorry about your luck......sounds like you have a lemon....every car has them.....and yes i know nissan sevice sucks.....but you have to make the best of a bad situation and try shopping dealers if possible. This is for Dmbmaxima....how many times have you wrecked your max now? that could be the reason for some of your specific problems including rattles........my 2 cents.

 

I have dealt with Ford, GMC, & Jeep. Now I have delat with Nissan... THEY ALL BITE !

Many people have flamed me when I have compared cars I like to the Max, like the 2K3 Cobra, and other domestics. They have said that they all are poorly made and lose their value, and service stinks. I have not had to go in for a warranty issue , but I dealt with Nissan after my accident, when we needed to get parts. I deal with a dealer, Mossy, that sells aftermarket parts too, so we don't get much lip about it. Look at Chinaonitous' car.. He obviously has a lemon vehicle. All I have to say is that in the price range of the Max... Don't expect Mercedes, or Porsche type quality. You get what you pay for. I know a lot of you might not believe this, and it might anger you, but paying 30K for a car nowadays ,for a car like the Max is not that much.....

If your that upset about your ownership experience, thet best thing to do is what Steve is doing... sell it, and cut your losses now...

 

but they are gonna be big losses it's not something i really want to do financially do but i'm just so frustrated and i think this car is a curse i need to get rid of it and i'm just gonna get a used high end SUV and hope for the best for now.

 

obviously these losses are not big enough for you if you are getting rid of the car just because of a few rattles. Actualy, a used high-end SUV could have some rattles as well.

 

it's WAY more then just a few rattles, it's lots of stuff that just compounds on itself and the rattles aren't the worst part, it's the overall ownership experience.

 

How do you define an overall ownership experience? That the Nissan strips you out of warranty if you will bring a modded car? I doubt that anyone who owns a 1-year old vehicle has to see the dealer for more than oil changes, TSBs and recalls.

 

actually there is quite a large group of disgruntled 2k2 owners that have problems and are struggling to get them fixed, trannies, maf's, foggy headlights, brake rotors, several people have had their shifter cable isolator bracket break. trust me it's not just me, i think most 6-spd guys have or are developing a bad 2-3 shift. and just because yuou car is modded doens't mean nissan can strip your warranty, there are specific laws to protet the consumer and i've brought them up to nissan and they just seem to ignore me. also there is a 1yeaer 12k mile warranty on at least nissan's that covers "adjustments" which would include warped brake rotors and i was denied that alos and brought that up to the service manager to again be treated poorly.

 

Let me set the records straight about all the people who do not understnad..

Yes i was one of the first people with the timing advanced 4 degrees, DONE by a NISSAN TECH because he couldn't fix the bogging and hesitation... THAT IS THE ONLY MOD I HAD..

Yes bose system sucks, and i replaced it.. wired it myself and happy with the sound..

Problems i have so far started the first day i rolled off the dealership floor so don't tell me its because i lost the SHOWROOM FEEL of my new car.. My mazda protege and my moms maxima rolled of the showroom floor and still drove brand new even after 80,000 kms..

Next, CANADIANS are not protected as well as you US guys so don't say nothing if you don't understand. I have been to 5 dealerships with 3 pages of complaints regarding my car, which are common complaints issued by most of the 2k2 drivers on the ORG.. what did they fix, absolutely nothing..

Now, here is my list of problems and you tell me if this is acceptable for a car thats worth 38,000 CDN MSRP??

- Rotor warpage and shutter even at the first 1000kms <== don't tell me i don't know how to brake because my mazda protege lasted over 100,000 kms on the orignial rotor and pads (pads even had 30% life left)..
- Hood vibration <== unfortuantely the TSB in the US is not applicable in CANADA BECAUSE CANADIANS SUCK @SS
- Crappy shifting <== my 6 speed feels worse and worse, i tried synthetics, i tried double clutching i tried everything and it still grinds
- Growning, whining, screeching noises in the first few minutes of driving <== dealer excuse: NO PROBLEMS FOUND
- Dimly lit check engine light - <= dealer is aware of problem, no fixes yet even though i heard others saying that the cluster should be replaced
- Bogging hesitation and bucking in bumper to bumper traffic <== i have driven at least 15 - 20 cars stick and none exhibit this much problems especially a brand new car
- Wind noise <= much louder than it is in my moms 99 SE
- Cheap paint <= I can live with this
- Excessive wheel hopping <== i guess dealers can't fix this, but their excuse, a tech told me that NISSAN messed up the suspension design using softer shocks and stuffing the with too much power.. ITS CRAZY in the rain

Now with all those problems starting in teh first 2000kms, would you say i had a happy ownership experience?? I have gone to 5 dealerships and none of its resovled...'

Tired of *****ing and complaining with all thes 2k2 owners? ITs because you have no heart that others want the same experience in terms of a better quality car given that i spent $45,000 CDN of my hard earned money.. Fine if i bought a cheaper car i would complain less , but come on.

DOmestics are unreliable you say? Maybe, but is the Maxima that much better, no.. In fact i have had a much better time in service dealing with chrysler, ford and GM... At least they give you service with a smile and really try to fix stuff..

I am tired of dealing with NISSAN's BS service. Next time i go down, i am going to deal straight with the owner, becaue i know the owner of two nissan dealerships and i belive i should not leave him out of the loop.

And finally, I am not going to mod anything on my car because i think that the MAXIMA is going to fall apart and then my warranty is voided or i will get teh **** treatment by the stupid service department at nissan.

Again i will say this thread is pure IGNORANCE by other maxima drivers who have had pleasant experience. I want to vent, so let me, its a maxima board. I paid the same money as you so i expect the same things as you lucky guys do... So in closing, leave it alone, either help us suffering owners out, or stay out of this complaint conversation.

BTW. DMBMAXIMA2k2 owner of Frankencar perforamnce has worked on 2k2's providing parts for the maxima, and has contributed enough for all maxima drivers, and i believe he has the right to complain and you guys should understand that. So stop flaming those and walk out from this thread.

ED

 

Call me and the other guys flamers. I could care less. I had a 99 Grand Cherokee and had an unpleasent experience like the one you are having with the Maxima. The POS SUV spent entire weeks in service, eating through bearings.... Service sucked. I *****ed and moaned. You know what I did. I lost $7200 by gettimng rid of the POS ! My brother , who is also an ORG member lost over 5K too.... No I don't have a money tree in my backyard... Just get rid of it. There are plenty of other cars out there.

One more point. If you beat the **** out of your car racing, and hauling a$$ like I do, and some of " YOU " guys do... and you have problems.. It's differnet than the Grandma that never goes over 55 .. Face it ! You race, and beat the CRAP out of your car, I dont care if you have a Bentley Arnage , you will have problems ! ..

 

ya i'm gonna take a hit but i think i need to do it, i'm convinced this car is a curse. compared to my 95 max, i drove that car just as hard, ran a 100shot of NOS and went through a bottle a week and the car never gave me one problem at all, it was flawless but it was an auto if it wasn't i'd proly still have it, sigh, oh well.

 

I no longer beat the **** out of my car..

I only went to the strip once to get a baseline run..

After that i calmed down..

Lets flip this. in my mazda protege, I BEAT TEH LIVING CRAP out of the car... absolutetly insane.. You name it i tried it... I even did a reverse gear burnout on a fwd .. however how long did my mazda last, 220,000kms... The problems i had with it was as a result of my retarded driving.. but still..

THE PROBLEMS i listed on my car was not my fault, its a manufacturers DEFECT. Lemon laws?? In canada? hahahahahahahahahahahah..

ED

 

Steve, I blew 3 AOD trannies on my Stang, till I figured out to drop a Tremec T5 in it, because I was pushing too much power.... I can't blame that on ford. I broke 2 motor mounts because I used slicks... My entire car rattled inside, because I had 2 Pro series Fosgate 12's , 2 sets of Mb Quart separates, and 4 Soundstream Mc300 's..I had it Dynamated . I get what you're saying. If you have a lemon, use legal action, and get Nissan to buy it back. If any of you feel that we are bashing you for having problems, you are wrong. We are just tired of the " I hate my Max " threads, which you can post all day long if you want. But also be preparred to hear the " SELL THE F-ING THING " replies... which will labes us as Flamers...

 

ya i understand and i'm not mad at anyone other then maybe the service writer at my local nissan dealership lol. i already tried lemoning the car and nissan basically told me to bug off. so now i'll just sell it, but not before i take nissan down for lying to us

 

Thats why I dont live there. I have visited Quebec and Ontario... These are the same MORONS that have had their parliment blame Sept. 11 on "US" ! It's not my problem their laws don't protect them. MiniRX, I understand your frustration, like I said, I went through it with Jeep/Chrysler....

 

Alot of people have problems with bone stock cars. And *still* have problems getting a repair.

From what I've heard, Nissan vigorously fought anyone in arbitration or lemon law cases. So, no.. thats proven not to be much of an avenue.

 

I was stuck in a rental Grand Am for almost 3 weeks!! it woulda sucked if I didn't have any fun with the car. took it through some serious mud, burnt the tires down ×2, and found out they have a fuel cut off at 105 mph. but all in all I'm soooooooo glad to have my max back, even though its not a 5th gen I figured I'd post anyways.

 

As a result, i want nissan to KISS MY @SS

Sorry Tim, i couldn't hold that one back

 

I drove a rental POS for 5 weeks... I spent all day detailing my Max.. I love it more now than ever... !

 

yes they definetly will fight you if you try to lemon you car, it's ridiculous the poor level of service we get.

my mom's hyundai ok, her CEL kept coming on because of some evap control sensor or something, it was something minor, didn't effect the driveablilty or safety of the car it was just annoying. everytime she brought it in for service she got a rental(i never have) after the third time she was like isn't this a lemon, and the dealership was like yes defineltly your absolutely right. here we'll take you 5 monhts old car with 8k miles on it and give you the next trim level up with no miles for free and hopefully there will be no hard feelings. so basically she went from a XG300 to a XG300L that was 5 months and 8k miles newer without even having to do anything more then ask.

 

yeah, a guy here at work with a dodge truck got the same thing. 13 months and 18K miles and his paint had some chips, much better paint than I have tho. They actually called him because I think the service writer had seen it - he didnt even complain! All he had to do was pay value difference in sales tax when he registered the new truck.. zero mile.. brand spanking new... for a few chips on the hood. *sigh*

 

dmbmaxima2k2 - Things like loaner cars are negotiable. They do not have to do this. Some dealers offer it as their normal practice. Others will not mention it and you have to negotiate for it. If you are that upset with Nissan's service, either stop going to them and go to somewhere like Pep Boys or Merchants, or sell the car.

MiniRX7 - Man, if you had all those problems with your car and you kept it, that is on you. If I had those problems, I would have demanded a new car or my money back. If you decide to do nothing about Nissan not fixing the problems, then you should not complain.

As a consumer, we have power. Use it!

 

(- Rotor warpage and shutter even at the first 1000kms <== don't tell me i don't know how to brake because my mazda protege lasted over 100,000 kms on the orignial rotor and pads (pads even had 30% life )left)..)

I had 18k on my 2001 Maxima, no problems with rotor issues.


(- Hood vibration <== unfortuantely the TSB in the US is not applicable in CANADA BECAUSE CANADIANS SUCK @SS)
Fix this yourself, its easy. And yes my 2001 had it, but it never bothered me.


(- Crappy shifting <== my 6 speed feels worse and worse, i tried synthetics, i tried double clutching i tried everything and it still grinds)

This is a defintely a issue. The 6spd 2k2 I test drove about 1 year ago, did this as well.

(Growning, whining, screeching noises in the first few minutes of driving <== dealer excuse: NO PROBLEMS FOUND)

All cars make weird noises when they are cold.

(Dimly lit check engine light - <= dealer is aware of problem, no fixes yet even though i heard others saying that the cluster should be replaced)

Eletrical problem, they should fix this....


(Bogging hesitation and bucking in bumper to bumper traffic <== i have driven at least 15 - 20 cars stick and none exhibit this much problems especially a brand new car )

This has happened on all my Maximas from 96-98-00-01. And the Rental 2k2. Our Altima 2k1 also does this.

(Wind noise <= much louder than it is in my moms 99 SE)

Yes, very noisy, major complaint. Our Altima is quieter. Had TSB done, went away, came back a week later.

(Cheap paint <= I can live with this)

Due to the new policy that was placed, manufactures are having to use thinner paint on the cars to save the ozone. Most cars these days chip easier than the past. Compare a 91 Sentra SE-R to a 95. The 91 will look much better with 5x the miles.

(Excessive wheel hopping <== i guess dealers can't fix this, but their excuse, a tech told me that NISSAN messed up the suspension design using softer shocks and stuffing the with too much power.. ITS CRAZY in the rain )

It's not the shocks. It's the engine mounts that cause wheel hop. The engine is rocking back and forth causing the wheels to bounce. You get stronger engine mounts, this will solve the problem. The car wasn't made to be raced, it was made to be a daily family hauler. Rain, are the tires. All manufactures do not put good tires on there cars. Whatever tire they get at a good price is the one they use.

Also, my 2001 5spd Max never failed me or really gave me any problems at all till I ran over a diveder and it was going to cost me alot to fix it. Plus the dealer didn't want to warranty my car anymore (Nissan sucks). So I got rid of it for this car I have now which has given me 0 problems and excellent service.

Personally that was the last Nissan I will own for a long time. Next will be a Lexus probably.

 

100 % with you on this . Some people does not appreciate the goodies that nissan gave them on on some of the models. These same goodies you will have to pay extra for if you were are at a BMW dealer etc..... i was selling mine, not because i didn't like it, but because i wanted something smaller for my driveway, but i still have it and love it.

 

Show me one dealer of ANY manufacturer that will service a car with performance mods...

 

Actually a number of owners here have reported rather cool dealerships that don't get the crucifix ready for you if you have a mod. Of course the extent of modding makes a huge difference and some dealerships use their own latitude to service things...but the underlying point is that they ARE out there.

 

sorry, but yes they are some nissan so call dealers that will install aftermarket mods and will warranty it and service it for you. i know of one in NY, but i'm affraid to say who.

also some of the VW dealers sell and install Eibachs springs for their cars and warranty and service theirs mods, so you may be wrong dude.

 

show me a manufacturer that strips your warranty for your MAF or AC for adding an amp in the trunk.. or wont do the rotor TSB because your caliper is painted... the asinine list goes on.. Sure some I can see... but others are bizarre.

None of my problems have been related to a mod.. it hasnt made it any easier to get repair.

Again, *all* the complaints are regarding repair, not the car.

also, we have 16-70 years old here.. some of us want a psuedo-luxo car others want a 4dsc. Our complaints are widely varied, not everyone is blaming the max for not being a BMW -thats only a small percentage of complaints.

 

Suspension mods and performance mods are two completly different things.

Putting new springs on is one thing...slapping a turbo or N2O system iss something completly different.

 

Easy bucko....

First: you DID say "Show me one dealer of ANY manufacturer that will service a car with performance mods..." and did not make the distintion yourself about suspension and performance mods being different (which they actually aren't...so your argument takes a double nose dive)...[suspension mods increase the performance of the vehicle as to handling, etc. so by definition ARE performance mods].

Second: we DID indicate that it makes a difference as to the extent of hte mod as to whether the dealer gives you a hard time, meaning simply the point you are making here is moot as well....

Wish to try again?

 

ok, you guys dont turn on each other.

 

Did you see that somebody is in your driver's seat? Looks like he likes that ride of yours

 

I will never buy another nissan again,

however i still love my car.. i dumped a lot of cash to own this POS, but it is still my POS..

I have big plans next year after i get all my professional examinations out of th ewya..


I will make this car to my liking and screw nissan... I will tighten everything myself, rewire the whole damn car and fix everything including the engine mounts..

Yes i didn't return the car, because its a long process to go through to fight the dealer, and i already had put a lot of miles on the car mkaing it harder to return..
again, i put on in 6 months 24K, and by the end of next year my car will have 100,000kms.. in like 1.5 years

ED